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Originally posted by smackdesign
So the powermacs are now at 1.4 ghzs. If apple updates the line every 6 months we should see them updated next in July. I hope they release the 970 at macworld NY and not another speed bumbed moto chip. I'm crossing my fingers.
Two things:
1. Unless IBM puts the 970 in mass production ahead of schedule, they won't be in Powermacs by July. Apple will need computer ready to, or almost ready to, ship when they announce any departure from Motorola and the G4.
2. To my knowledge, Apple won't be participating in MWNY. If you go to the MacWorld Expo website, you'll notice that there's no planned keynote speech (which is something that SJ would do).

Personally, I think both the new Powermacs and the new LCDs are great. If there is another PM revision in six months, it'll be even more minor than this. I think we'll see a Powermac 970 announcement in the Fall (although I'd love to see 970 machines sooner).
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Which GPU do I want?

Originally posted by hitman


well, you could always go for this thing instead...

http://www.m-audio.net/products/consumer/revolution_page1.php
its not really the 5.1 or 7.1 that gets me. i have a 5.1 set up on my pc with an audigy drive, personally i couldnt tell the difference with 5.1 surround sound and just stero sound coming out of each of the 5 speakers. its more the eax sound tech that really gets me. that eax makes a difference on my pc, if i hit someone in gta3 with that on with my right tire, i can hear in my right speaker their bones crushing as the cops come after me behind, you gotta check it out, really cool, plus the remote control you get free with the audigy is pimp, i love it.

iJon
 
Re: NEW POWERMAC's SUX!

Originally posted by digitalrampage
Single processor for $1499?

For the extra $200, the dual 867 was a much faster machine...

To add to this, NO superdrive in the Mid Range....

Bluetooth is an Optional adaptor...

I SAY, WELCOME TO the NEW SCREENS AND PRICING...

And someone needs to be smacked in the head at apple for the new powermac lineup...

FOOLS!

I sell this stuff, powerbooks, GREAT NEWS, Powermacs BIG LOSS
yes your right, well it depends how you look at it. the previous line up was very nice, but took away sales from the middle and high end. lot of my customers couldnt justify the money for an extra hard drive space and the small system bus upgrade. this way when they look at the lineup they think well for this much more i can get the middle instead of the low end. get what im saying. maybe bad for the guy buying if he is short on cash and wants a big bang for his buck but a smart marketing move on apple's part.

iJon
 
And it’s way faster than USB 2.0.!!

Ok I have finally decided to register an account here after seeing these updates. I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but I just though it was funny as hell.

On the main powermac page http://www.apple.com/powermac/ under the firewire800 paragraph at the end they decided to tack this little sentence on

" And it’s way faster than USB 2.0."

Then they just end it there not feeling the need to back it up or anything cause we all know it does truly kill usb2

I don't know I just found that really funny and though it was worthy of my first post.

:p :p :p
 
PowerMacs & DDR RAM

Originally posted by iShater


So do you agree that the DP867 were a better choice than the 1Ghz low-end no?

Definitely. At first I thought the low end was a Dual 1 GHz machine, but when looking at it again, I was somewhat disappointed that it was only a single processor machine. Seems somewhat like a step backwards for Apple. Nice to see the lower price, but if I got a PowerMac now, I'd want at least a dual processor. It seems like if there is a new iMac with a 1GHz processor, Apple might be killing some of its lower end of the PowerMac line, depending on how desperate someone needs AirPort Extreme or the new Firewire 800.

Also, does anyone know if there are still the constraints on bus speed and the DDR RAM, or is the DDR RAM still somewhat limited on the bus speed of the machine?
 
Re: ...but the imacs.....

Originally posted by trebblekicked
just a thought-
if the current motochip is stuck at 1ghz, and current 1.42 is a factory overclock job (which could lead to possible reliability issues), maybe the 7457 will make it's debut in XServe and iMac revisions, where ultra-reliability is more important...


Why would "ultra-reliability" not be important for PowerMacs?
 
Originally posted by DeusOmnis
This is all nice and dandy, but where is my iPod 2? BTW, i want it to be a PDA as well. So apple, since i know you read these forums, GET ON IT.

Arn't we a little self-centered today...
 
Re: Re: ...but the imacs.....

Originally posted by sedarby
Why would "ultra-reliability" not be important for PowerMacs?

The passage you quoted also leads to the question:

Why would Apple debut a new revision (read: faster/better) of the G4 in the iMac line so soon after speed-bumping the towers?
 
Originally posted by hitman
Just wanted to inject some humor in this thread:

My first brand new Mac was a 7200. It was a 601 running at 75Mhz.

I worked with that until I bought my second brand new Mac, a slot-loading iMac DV running at 400Mhz.

Keeping with the rate of Mhz increases when I buy a new Mac, I should purchase a new Mac when they hit 2133Mhz (see work below). :p :D

400/75 = 5.333
5.333*400=2133Mhz.

:)

Anyways, I don't think the 1Ghz is all that bad. Then again, coming from someone on a slot-loading iMac... :rolleyes:

2x1.25Ghz qualifies. Order today.

Rocketman
 
Re: And it’s way faster than USB 2.0.!!

Originally posted by zer0army
Ok I have finally decided to register an account here after seeing these updates. I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but I just though it was funny as hell.

On the main powermac page http://www.apple.com/powermac/ under the firewire800 paragraph at the end they decided to tack this little sentence on

" And it’s way faster than USB 2.0."

Then they just end it there not feeling the need to back it up or anything cause we all know it does truly kill usb2

I don't know I just found that really funny and though it was worthy of my first post.

:p :p :p

One thing it does NOT kill is the availability of USB2 devices that do NOT have firewire. Apple should support USB2 as a religious position. Now that they have FW800 they have nothing to fear, right? Hmmmm?

Rocketman
 
Actually. . .

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw

FALSE (at least partly)

Any multi-threaded application will automatically get a performance boost out of a dual G4 machine under OS X. OS 9 did not provide Symetrical Multi-Processing support so it was up to the application programmers to look for and utilize that 2nd processor. Now, if I start a 2nd thread in my code, OS X will run it on whichever processor it wants to. (That's a simplistic description, but basically accurate)

OS X can also automatically run two single threaded applications on separate processors thus giving better performance to both app's than if they were both running on one.

I think what he was saying is that although they might not get any slower, they won't get a speed boost with dual processors, simply because the threads weren't designed to be separated with parallel processing.
 
Re: So the next PM revision in july?

Originally posted by smackdesign
So the powermacs are now at 1.4 ghzs. If apple updates the line every 6 months we should see them updated next in July. I hope they release the 970 at macworld NY and not another speed bumbed moto chip. I'm crossing my fingers.

You probably won't see it until early Fall.
 
Re: Worse and worse

Originally posted by wumpus
The low-end represents a serious downgrade - the only reasons Apple did not retain th 867 at the lower price point is because they want to increase their margin on it while giving the illusion of better without cannibalising the iMac. The 1ghz SP is a price/performance DISGRACE. Nothing Apple can do about the FSB bottleneck, Motorola's poor fabbing or any of the G4s shortcomings (at least at this stage), so two processors, built-in Bluetooth, FW800, USB2, ATA/133 (if not Serial ATA) and 8x AGP are REQUIRED to give the ILLUSION at least of value.

When Ars Technica called the current 'Pro' lineup an 'overpriced embarrassment'
some months ago it was an accurate assessment. It is even more accurate now. The LCD and good looks of the iMac can compensate somewhat for PC-trailing performance. But for towers Apple needs to have dual CPUs across the entire line just to PRETEND to compete on performance - of course, at this stage informed pros who don't need a new machine NOW will wait until the 970 comes to close a bit of the gaping gap with WinTel. Maybe Apple knows this and is barely bothering? Why bother to add more than a speed bump when you know that this lead turkey architecture (the 'G4') is on its last legs?

Also, no-one seems to know yet if these are the 7457s or if there is full DDR support (somehow I doubt it). Are these the overclocked 7455s again? (before anyone gets upset about that word - Apple's chips are rated by Moto at that speed, just like I am sure there were 604e chips at the fab that could hit 400mhz with heavy chilling - but the 7455 DESIGN is NOT advertised by Moto as capable of more than 1ghz, thus Apple's are for all intents and purposes overclocked - thus the heavy heat sink and big noise).

And like others, I do get jealous of some of the advantages of commodity computing - just going onto Dabs.com every so often and get a CPU that will SMOKE any G4 for $70 is sickening sometimes?

..An Apple lover since the daze of the ][+?

A while back people where wishing for an entry level machine with slots. Well, the single processor 1 ghz machine is just such a machine. They upped the ante with a dual 1.42 ghz G4 and finally gave us Firewire 800. I'm very impressed with this offering.
 
Do we know how long it will take to get our hands on the new Power Macs and the 20" display? Are they available immediately or is there a scheduled shipment date?
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
Do we know how long it will take to get our hands on the new Power Macs and the 20" display? Are they available immediately or is there a scheduled shipment date?

Hey Doc, do you update your signature everytime Apple updates the PM line? :D
 
Re: Re: And it’s way faster than USB 2.0.!!

Originally posted by Rocketman


One thing it does NOT kill is the availability of USB2 devices that do NOT have firewire. Apple should support USB2 as a religious position. Now that they have FW800 they have nothing to fear, right? Hmmmm?

Rocketman

Wow buddy relax........:eek:

All I was saying was that I though it was funny the way they put it. I never said anything about availability of FW800 products I was just talking about its speed.
 
i know i shoulda waited for the powerpc 970 but i couldn't wait...got a new 1.42ghz powermac from the apple store right now and the estimated arrival time is approximately a month ;)
 
Nice, Ubergeek!!!:D

The minute that thing arrives you MUST log on to MacRumors and tell us all just how droolworthy it is:cool:

We are all jealous;)
 
Re: Someone explain Apple to me....

Originally posted by MorganX
Can someone please explain Apple's business model to me? As someone not interested in a PowerMac (I can trick out a Wintel box that blows it away for much less), why Apple feels they need to:

1) Lock their configurations
2) Keep performance speparation between the PowerMac Line and the iMac line?

Why doesn't Apple allow you to buy as much CPU as will fit in the iMac and all lines. Many home PCs are much more powerful that PC workstations. You order what you want. If I want a maxed out iMac, that doesn't mean if you cripple it, that I will then buy a PowerMac that I don't want.

I just don't get it.

Their product line up is actually quite simple:

......................Desk Top.................Lap Top
....Pro Line:...Power Mac.............Power Book
...Consumer:.....iMaci.......................Book

Each model usaully comes in three configurations that can usually be be tweaked to some extent.

I remember in the late 80's, early 90's. The product offerings were really confusing. You had models just for business, some for consumer, and others exclusively for education. And each came with it's own unique software bundle.
 
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