New Report Delves Into Poor Working Conditions at an Apple Maps 'Black Site'

Discussion in ' News Discussion' started by MacRumors, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:59 AM.

  1. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2009
    Don’t forget the color of badges. The horror! Clearly these are not real grievances. If these are the things being focused on, then there must not be any real problems.

    And wouldn’t actual Apple employees have the same issue with unstocked vending machines? Or do they have secret fully stocked vending machines located in their Apple only restrooms? :rolleyes::)
  2. macsrcool1234 macrumors 65816

    Oct 7, 2010
    Yeah because basic human labor laws are asking too much.

    Try again.
  3. Neepman macrumors 6502

    Jul 31, 2008
    Working for apple maps is like the biggest loser job in the company. But having said that I know people that have been real apple employees making "mid-6" a year and even they could not wait to leave the place once they were vested.
  4. dzankizakon macrumors newbie

    Jul 18, 2016
    Oh, stop, I’m about to faint...!
  5. BasicGreatGuy Contributor


    Sep 21, 2012
    In the middle of several books.
    I am working on manufacturing some out----oops beachball struck me---rage.

    Life can be cruel. wear a helmet.
  6. sirozha macrumors 6502a

    Jan 4, 2008
    Apple employees get free snacks.
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    They are making about half a million dollars?
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    A view of your house from a public street is not yours to block. Move out to the woods and have a long private driveway if you don’t want your house to be seen.
  7. amartinez1660 macrumors member

    Sep 22, 2014
    Yes complain, so that we all can avoid that exact same situation don’t you think?
  8. ronno macrumors regular

    Nov 13, 2014
    I was a contractor at Google, and it was the same situation. You work through a third-party employment agency (tons and tons of people there are “contractors”), and it’s a caste system. It’s depressing so I left.
    Apparently they are trying to outlaw such rampant use of “contractors” in California because it’s simply an easy way for these companies making huge profits to avoid paying benefits for everyone who works there.
    As an aside, Apex keeps trying to recruit me via LinkedIn...and I’m not interested ;-)
  9. Roger67 macrumors member

    Dec 31, 2017
    Apparently apples do have excrement and it smells, contrary to many forum comments.
  10. CylonGlitch macrumors 68030


    Jul 7, 2009
    Welcome to working in California, most companies do this now.
  11. PseudoRegister, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:54 PM
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019 at 9:03 PM

    PseudoRegister macrumors newbie


    Jul 27, 2010
    Florence, AZ
    How do they control what you put on your resume? The thing about being a "contract employee" (presumably) is that there is a contract. If the contract doesn't specify what one can and cannot put on one's resume, then one may put whatever one wants on it. Especially if it's true.

    It does seem that many so-called contract employees in California aren't really contract employees. That is, they don't have contracts with Apple, nor do they have contracts with their actual employer, in this case Apex. Their complaint isn't with Apple, it's with their employer.

    If you hire a business to paint your house, you have a contract with that business owner. That business owner hires people to do the actual painting. If those painters don't feel they're getting paid enough, or feel the business owner should be providing them with health benefits, do you expect them to complain to you? And would you feel obligated (or empowered) to adjust their employment conditions?
  12. GordonGekko999 macrumors 6502

    Mar 6, 2009
    I don't need to justify anything to you but I will report that Paul McCartney has blocked his house on Google Maps, if it is good enough for a Beatle, it is good enough for me. Oh and what are the numbers, 80 to 90 percent of German homeowners did the same thing, I guess they kind of have a more privacy centric worldview considering a bunch of thugs rounded many of them up in the 1930's.

    If you do a little reading you'll see that both Bing Maps and Google Maps offer you the option to block your house, partly because of lawsuits and Apple's Tim Cook is running around boasting about Apple and their dedication to privacy. OK, if Apple wants to seize that as a selling point, they should match Microsoft and Google.

    Your opinion is of no consequence in this matter but thanks for offering it.
  13. Steve121178 macrumors 601


    Apr 13, 2010
    Bedfordshire, UK
    I use Google Maps & Waze. Apple Maps was dead on arrival here in the UK where I live.
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    Of course not. But if you are unhappy with your employment then quit & move on. Everyone is easily replaceable.
  14. aleksander macrumors member


    Feb 26, 2008
    London, UK
    This reminds me of various mafias exploiting people on fruit & veg pick up farms here in old socialist Europe. Makes the dent in the glossy Apple logo all the more meaningful. The sad thing is that Maps could be so much better should Apple open up the platform to local users for editing, for free.
  15. T-R-S macrumors regular


    Sep 25, 2010
    Silicon Valley
    there are always slackers who whine and complain about having to actually work at their jobs....
    I had an employee who complained about having to work 40 hours in week.
    40 hours thats about 2.5 days for me
  16. jazz1 macrumors 68000


    Aug 19, 2002
    Mid-West USA
    When I used to employ temporary workers for events, I always treated them with respect. Why treat them any different as regular employees?
  17. maverick28 macrumors regular

    Mar 14, 2014
    The real world isn't all about torture either. Why the idea of compromise between labor and the employer isn't so obvious for you? We don't live in the early 20c. Social progress is not wasteland of history.
  18. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    So, not good then ?

    One would hope these "long walks" to would be treated to a comfort air-conditioned office or cubicle.
  19. Ubuntu macrumors 68000


    Jul 3, 2005
    I agree, especially if it's not in the contract but there's always a grey area. I'm an iOS contractor myself (but in a different market) and I often do have to play the "it's not in my contract" card to protect myself from regulation issues (because if these activities make me seem more like a permanent employee in disguise the government will tax me as a permanent employee). I've had more than my fair share of awkward meetings with managers because of this so I wouldn't be too surprised if these contractors were getting pressured into things that aren't defined in the contract, especially when they could easily just find an excuse to fire you.

    And for your last question, no - I'd take up my complaints with the entity I report to.
  20. sirozha macrumors 6502a

    Jan 4, 2008
    I can take a picture of your house from the public street and post it online. There's not one thing you can do about it. Learn a little about the law.
  21. GordonGekko999, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:50 PM
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    GordonGekko999 macrumors 6502

    Mar 6, 2009
    Again you must go back and read my posts again, I did not write anything about the legality of a citizen taking a public picture. We are discussing a corporation, no need to go into all of the myriad of ways a corporation needs to think differently from a private citizen. Of course Apple could tell people who complain to go ____ and most would be powerless to do anything about it.

    Only inside the walls of Apple are the answers to when they feel they must act one way or the other but in this instance there are many factors that will compel them to allow for an opt out.

    And lo and behold they responded to my email and asked for me to scan a utility bill and attach it with my reply. Now of course I think they should follow Microsoft/Google who require no such thing but not a big deal. Since they are offering to delete me from their Maps, I shall go ahead and opt out.

    And that is where we come to the point that your opinion does not have much weight in this situation and thus I don't have to plant any extra shrubs although I have been considering adding a few or move to a wooded private section of the country but not a bad idea either, thank you.
  22. sirozha macrumors 6502a

    Jan 4, 2008
    If my opinion doesn't matter, why do you keep responding to it?

    Regardless, this service is useless if anyone can have the picture of their house blurred. What's the point of running the trucks up and down every road if the view of the houses is going to be blurred?

    Also, I would be pissed if my tenant sent Apple his/her utility bill and have my house blurred from the Maps. Blurring people's faces and license plate numbers is one thing; blurring the houses is quite another. If you bought a house seen from a public street, it should appear on the view from the public street. I disagree with Apple here. I know, my opinion doesn't matter. You've said it already several times; no need to repeat yourself. You start sounding quite annoying when you do.
  23. GordonGekko999 macrumors 6502

    Mar 6, 2009
    Your post read as annoying from the start when I wrote to inquire about Apple's opt out procedure and you wrote that I should move to a house blocked by woods, akin to posting for someone to get a better job if they are hoping for Apple to lower the price of an Iphone.

    The service is not useless if people blur their houses, the primary use is for an accurate map with accurate directions, the street view is an added service to help one navigate those directions, you don't lose any of that with a house blur, nobody needs to see a private citizen's home, you can still get accurate directions to any home.

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