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People are so opinionated about what others should buy. If I want the new MacBook to last me as long as my 2009 13" MBP has (still going by the way), then a larger SSD and 16GB of RAM would help with that.

No problems with that but Apple doesn't offer you a whole lot of choice.

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Does the keyboard on any laptop work for everyone? I don't think so.

If you put a Retina MBP in front of computer users circa 1988, they would be amazed at the capabilities of this tiny device. The screen, the computing power, the trackpad (though that would strike some as being too complicated and confusing to use). The keyboard, however would be the subject of ridicule on their bulletin board discussions. Keyboards in those days were designed to feel as much as possible like the gold standard IBM Selectric. At least three-eighths of an inch in travel, and an audible click that let you know you had really hit the key hard enough.

Ummm, isn't that what I was saying? Keyboards are a personal choice.

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Does the apple logo still light up?

I would imagine so, since it is illuminated by the display's backlighting, I believe.

No, take a look at the Apple product page. No glowing Apple. :apple:
 
This Macbook is the future of Macbooks. The Macbook Airs will be discontinued and the MBPs will all be redesigned with elements of the new Macbook and be thinner and lighter than before, with USB-C, no mag safe, thinner keyboard, force touch trackpad (already in the 13"), thinner screen, no glowing Apple logo on the back, etc.
 
I wonder how long it takes Apple to release a keyboard with zero key travel, and a "taptic" engine under each key?

I think it would be very interesting to try one out.

Fascinating idea, actually. Among other things, you could presumably program it to some extent for resistance and "travel." :cool:
 
What were you expecting with iGPU on the rMBP 13? Apple's have never been really good for games. I've resigned myself to buying a rMBP for my work, but built a PC for games. In reality, Apple at least bothers to try to put Intel's best GPU in their chips, while the vast majority of PC laptop makers cut corners and put the lower end Intel GPU to save some money.

Not taking about gaming. It couldn't even handle 24Mbps 1080p MP4 video without stuttering in iMovie playback and taking forever to export. I was also limited to editing one photo at a time in CS6, batch processing RAW files was a nightmare. Unacceptable for a brand new $1300 laptop in 2015, especially one with PRO in its name.
 
so you guys do you like what macbooks is in this unboxing? because i thing this is the real thing no doubt
 
I would imagine so, since it is illuminated by the display's backlighting, I believe.

It doesn't light up anymore. I'm actually somewhat relieved that it doesn't, since there are situations where it is more of a pain than a help, but they are somewhat niche.
 
Can you give me the egg from a chicken that hasn't hatched yet? Eventually, all monitors will be USB C, PC or not.

Great comment on the chicken and the egg!

More seriously, though, for a short time there were monitors that connected to desktop and laptops using a conventional USB connector. Viewsonic and a few others had that. Well, that product category hasn't expanded much.

Here is one example: http://us.aoc.com/monitor_displays/e1649fwu

As for "Eventually, all monitors will be USB C, PC or not", probably more accurate to change "all" to "some" :D

The main challenge will be determining how much power is available from future Type-C connectors. Some will provide little or no current, like the current Micro-B connector on cell phones and tablets; some will provide USB 2.0 power (+5v @ 500ma); some will provide USB 3.0 power (+5v @ 900ma); some could provide up to +5v @ 3amps, which is what the minimum spec is for the current carrying capability of a Type-C to Type-C cable, like Apple's charging cable. Note, cable should be capable of handling that current, though there is no requirement for ports to provide that much power.

Additional possibilities are up to 20VDC @ 3amps.

THere is also a higher current capable cable in the specs, to permit up to 5amps at +5 to +20 VDC. That is how one gets to the 100watts that the Power Delivery spec defines.

In simple terms, at present implementations indicate, you cannot tell easily how much power is available from the Type-C connector unless you know specific details about the implementation.

For example, Apple's own Type-C charging adapter is nice and small, and is spec'ed at 29watts, and the AV dongle that Apple will be selling has 3 ports: Type-C charging port, USB 3.0 A connector, and either an HDMI or VGA video connector (there are two types of dongle available). So apparently, Apple chose size over usability, saying that a 29watt charge is sufficient for the new Macbook.
 
Ah, how useful that he's speaking in Vietnamese, the primary language of most MR members, and that he actually turned it on... useful...

<sarcasm>
 
the new upcoming 27" Monitor from Apple will be wireless so no need for ports for that
 
People are so opinionated about what others should buy. If I want the new MacBook to last me as long as my 2009 13" MBP has (still going by the way), then a larger SSD and 16GB of RAM would help with that.

"If you want that, you shouldn't buy this" shouldn't be the response. It should be "I understand your needs are unique and you have the right to want what you want" but hey, this is the interwebz.

So you want this Macbook, which doesn't have what you want, and you don't want the Macbook Pro, which does have what you want. Such unique needs indeed!

"Ugh! Don't tell me about the thing which is exactly what I'm looking for. I don't want that, I want to be allowed to want this thing which doesn't do what I need. Gosh!"
 
Fascinating idea, actually. Among other things, you could presumably program it to some extent for resistance and "travel." :cool:

Thanks.

Something else that might be useful is a repeating tap when you hold down the key as the alternative for multiple presses.

I'm sure there would be a few other interesting applications as well.
 
Thanks.

Something else that might be useful is a repeating tap when you hold down the key as the alternative for multiple presses.

I'm sure there would be a few other interesting applications as well.

I agree...so...QUICK...file a patent application!!! :D Seriously, Apple could so easily have slapped an upgraded panel into the MBAs, made a few lame excuses about battery life, and everyone would have been as happy as pigs in spit. Instead, just about everything got a re-think...and everyone's up in arms. Even if I don't buy one of these, I will absolutely go and check one out in person. Whether we think they got it right or wrong, it's refreshing to have a group of people sit down and take nothing for granted.
 
the current adapter Apple is selling contains 3 ports.

1x USB-C, 1x USB-A, 1x HDMI (or VGA available)

the problem arises if you wish to plug in a USB-C device, while charging your laptop, it is currently impossible. with one single USB-C port, you have to make the choice of either charging, or using the port for other things.

There are no current peripherals that will supply power to USB-C other than the included charger. There is no current way of having 2 or more USB-C devices plugged in at the same time.

IF you look carefully at the AV dongle that Apple will be selling for the new Macbook, there is a DC power icon on the Type-C connector on the dongle; only the USB Type-A connector has the USB trident icon.

Most likely, the USB-C connector on the AV dongle is for charging only. You probably wont' be able to connect another typical USB peripheral to that Type-C connector.
 
If you have a sizable iTunes library, or heaven forbid you have a decent camera, the drivespace gets exhausted pretty quickly on these little notebooks. ...iCloud isn't going to back up tens of gigs of your RAW or DNG files, just little jpgs, and odds are you're not going to score a connection to the net everywhere you go anyway to stream everything, since this is a Mobile Computer, and not a desktop, making it pretty crippled.

Three solutions:

1) This Macbook is not your primary Mac for storing huge amount of data. You have an iMac or a Mac Pro for that.

2) NAS

3) iCloud can store up to 1Tb of data which you can utilize with iCloud Photo Library

There are so many use cases where you do not need to store more than 500Gb on your local computer.

The problem is that people have not gone with wireless storage solutions or using the cloud.

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Leaving whom, exactly, to buy this?
By the time kids are in high school, they've shot more photos and video and have more music and movies than these puny drives can hold. In your mind, this warrants everyone buying MBPs?

Why do you have to store every photo and video on your mobile computer? The upcoming generations will be storing those photos in the cloud if they even want to save all of them.

The idea of storing all of your data on one computer is not the future!
 
does iphoto/photos support syncing of photos over wifi?

Yes, as long as you use iPhoto/Aperture and iTunes.
Photos will not do direct syncing, but both Photos and your iPhone will sync wirelessly to iCloud Photo Library.
 
Ummm, isn't that what I was saying? Keyboards are a personal choice.
Not quite. I was saying that the keyboard that most people today would find optimal is much thinner and with far less travel than the keyboard that people in 1988 would have considered optimal.

The optimal computer keyboard of 2025 might be even thinner, with haptic feedback rather than physical travel.

There will be people who personally prefer full-travel keyboards even in 2025, but probably not enough for any maker of notebook computers to make full-travel keyboards standard or even a standard option.
 
Not quite. I was saying that the keyboard that most people today would find optimal is much thinner and with far less travel than the keyboard that people in 1988 would have considered optimal.

The optimal computer keyboard of 2025 might be even thinner, with haptic feedback rather than physical travel.

There will be people who personally prefer full-travel keyboards even in 2025, but probably not enough for any maker of notebook computers to make full-travel keyboards standard or even a standard option.

Ahh, very good. Thanks for you patience, and I agree.
 
Ahh, very good. Thanks for you patience, and I agree.

Not quite. I was saying that the keyboard that most people today would find optimal is much thinner and with far less travel than the keyboard that people in 1988 would have considered optimal.

The optimal computer keyboard of 2025 might be even thinner, with haptic feedback rather than physical travel.

There will be people who personally prefer full-travel keyboards even in 2025, but probably not enough for any maker of notebook computers to make full-travel keyboards standard or even a standard option.

The Both of you can pry my fullsize mechanical keyboard with the loudest clicky keys with full range from my cold dead hands :p
 
ok make it private .. I don't think i need to view anyway..

Apple's really pushing for lack of ports here for cloud based storage aren't they, much like Google is.

What Apple and others with cloud storage as a 'primary' method, or only method, of other off-site location,, like Chromebook, fail to realize is it would be impractical to upload 500Gig even only a DSL connection. or least still a long time over cable.


So early, so soon for that. Not everyone can afford a huge internet bill just yet anyway... but it's good to know the cloud is there waiting for us.
 
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Not taking about gaming. It couldn't even handle 24Mbps 1080p MP4 video without stuttering in iMovie playback and taking forever to export. I was also limited to editing one photo at a time in CS6, batch processing RAW files was a nightmare. Unacceptable for a brand new $1300 laptop in 2015, especially one with PRO in its name.

It's not the gpu holding you back, it was the dual core cpu. RAW file and video conversion scream for a quad core. The GPU isn't really utilized in those operations. Its the reason why I chose the 'outdated' 2012 mac mini over the gimped dual core only 2014 mini.
 
Ah, how useful that he's speaking in Vietnamese, the primary language of most MR members, and that he actually turned it on... useful...

<sarcasm>

Wait till the next keynote..... Vietnamese ;) already had the Chinese one :p
 
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