New Retina MacBook Appears in Early Unboxing Video

[LordVic]

Can you give me the egg from a chicken that hasn't hatched yet? Eventually, all monitors will be USB C, PC or not.

asinine reasoning.

This isn't evolution, or natural evolving through nature item here. There's no "chicken or egg" situation.

When standards are developed by companies there is need for cooperation to ensure those standards are universally adopted and will provide items and products that have use between the two.

Don't get me wrong, I Think USB-C is the future, and I want it now in everything.

But you can't say "monitors of the future" will provide the power for a laptop that exists today as some magical excuse for people questioning it.

Too many times have people been burned by "if you build it, they will come" mentality. Apple has done so to their customers twice. Both Firewire and Thunderbolt were toughted by apple as the future of connectivity (And thunderbolt was even a standard available to other companies). And both ended up not providing the level of promised peripherals in the end, with Firewire even being abandoned all together.

You cannot fault people for being skeptical the 3rd time they're being made this same promise "buy it now and sometimes in the future, we'll have products for it"

I am sure USB-C won't be from a personal level. but to discount someone's concern is insulting.

 

[Time Less]

This design makes me hopeful for a 14 inch pro version with quad core and iris pro. Of course this is apple and we will get a dual core and iris, the probable more expensive 16 will have it all.

 

[appleye]

No thanks .... I'm sticking with my MacBook Pro 17".

 

[cfedu]

Then they probably shouldn't buy the new MacBook...or they can just use the adapter that includes all of the other ports as well? How about you stop dragging your feet and accept that this is how technology has advanced over and over again for 30 years. Are you still using 8 track cassettes? What about all that money you spent having an 8 track installed in your van down by the river?

This has nothing to do with old technology becoming obsolete, it has to do with practicality. USB C is the future and no against Apple getting rid of all the other ports. I just think having at least 2 USB C ports would have been a better idea and there are lots of others of also believe that.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Clearly you have zero comprehension as some people use a sync cable to charge there device. No need to wait for a USB C lightning cable, Apple already has the 80$ adapter for it. No point in Charging a dead iPad from a Mac that is not connected to a wall outlet.

Clearly you can't differentiate an adjective from a verb and are really reaching.

 

[Megabiteg]

The fact that this computer in the video doesn't boot, nor he showed it booting into the OS makes me .... uneasy.

Also, I love the concept of the USB-C but I don't think Apple should of replaced the magsafe charging, I can see hundred of people breaking the port in the first few hours, even more if you were a previous generation MAC owner.

They should of kept the magsafe and added the USB-C for all the devices. I will be staying with my previous generation till I can...

 

[Iconoclysm]

This has nothing to do with old technology becoming obsolete, it has to do with practicality. USB C is the future and no against Apple getting rid of all the other ports. I just think having at least 2 USB C ports would have been a better idea and there are lots of others of also believe that.

I think having 2 might be better as well but I'm not buying this so I'll never find out. I do know that Apple laptops actually work well with Bluetooth devices such as keyboards and headsets without requiring a billion different RF dongles like Windows PC's currently do, so the use case is completely different.

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The fact that this computer in the video doesn't boot, nor he showed it booting into the OS makes me .... uneasy.

Also, I love the concept of the USB-C but I don't think Apple should of replaced the magsafe charging, I can see hundred of people breaking the port in the first few hours, even more if you were a previous generation MAC owner.

They should of kept the magsafe and added the USB-C for all the devices. I will be staying with my previous generation till I can...

Breaking the port? How is one going to break that port? I don't think I've ever seen a broken lightning port and it's the same concept.

 

[newellj]

Very good points.

Also, regarding MagSafe: Does anyone miss it on their iPad/iPhone? I've never heard this complaint. You unplug it when you want to use it. Think of the new MacBook as more i-devicelike (in terms of usage and design) and leaving out MagSafe makes even more sense.

The MagSafe omission bothered me for a while. Then I thought about the fact that I've been using laptops on the job and at home for more than 30 years and never had a power cord snag. More importantly, both of my kids made it through high school and college without ever having a power cord snag, and I never heard of any of their friends having one, either. My conclusion is that it's gorgeous engineering that doesn't actually prove much. I'd be much more interesting in Apple figuring out how to prevent the cords from fraying every 11 months or so.

 

[baller1308]

Laptop is sexy but I don't know if I can give up my ports just yet. Also, the 480p camera makes me cry a little inside even though I don't use my camera much anyways, but still they could have put a 720p one in there. Missing magsafe makes me sad too.

 

[cfedu]

Clearly you can't differentiate an adjective from a verb and are really reaching.

Clearly you can't see how unless one port on a computer can be for some people or tell people they can fix a problem with an imaginary product.

So where can I get my USB C monitor?

You know Apple could have made the thunderbolt display compatible with displayport when the first released it but decided to include artificial barriers to restrict it's customers. Apple has gone form displayport to thunderbolt and back to displayort. Apple is going back in time shafting it's customer on the way.

 

[newellj]

Ah, gotcha. It does appear that way. This MacBook is definitely something I'd like to get my hands on to test out eventually to see how the keyboard feels.

I think you can only figure this one out with buy & try. And if it bothers you, return it. That is very valuable market feedback for Apple, and you can bet they will be watching the return rate like a hawk.

 

[HenryDJP]

I think people will be surprised by what they thought they needed but actually don't.

While Apple has successfully demonstrated that in the past with most of their product decisions I can't see how a one-port-for-all is beneficial. I mean, right now it's a problem for me. I bought a Blue Yeti Pro microphone to do voiceovers. It's compatible with both the iMac and the iPad.
Well, since the iPad has only one connector it requires me to buy a USB hub, plus a special connector to go from the iPad to the USB hub. Oh, did I mention that the iPad doesn't provide enough juice to power up the Blue Yeti mic so the USB hub has to plug into the wall outlet to provide power? Then an additional USB plug from the mic to the USB hub.

So to plug in my Blue Yeti mic to my iPad I need a powered USB hub and 2 extra wires. Ridiculous. On my iMac it's a straight connection to the USB port.

 

[LordVic]

I think having 2 might be better as well but I'm not buying this so I'll never find out. I do know that Apple laptops actually work well with Bluetooth devices such as keyboards and headsets without requiring a billion different RF dongles like Windows PC's currently do, so the use case is completely different.

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Don't be one of those guys please. check facts before stating them.

Bluetooth tiself in most windows devices works no different than on Apple devices.

The problem isn't the Bluetooth standard or the devices. Its that many manufacturers of PC components don't use standards.

Logitech is an example. They require dongles for all their parts cause they ignore Bluetooth almost entirely. This is a peripheral manufacturers problem and not the windows or bluetooth standard.

I have used Bluetooth devices with many windows installations (on both Mac Book Air and Surface Pros) with zero impact. Heck, I use the Apple Magic Mouse with Windows via Bluetooth successfully with zero problems.

The blame here for all those peripheral dongles is squarely on the manufacturers of these 3rd party products who do not wish to use standards for their products and insist on their own proprietary standards.

 

[cfedu]

I think having 2 might be better as well but I'm not buying this so I'll never find out. I do know that Apple laptops actually work well with Bluetooth devices such as keyboards and headsets without requiring a billion different RF dongles like Windows PC's currently do, so the use case is completely different.

And that is the only real point I have with the macbook.

 

[Iconoclysm]

asinine reasoning.

This isn't evolution, or natural evolving through nature item here. There's no "chicken or egg" situation.

When standards are developed by companies there is need for cooperation to ensure those standards are universally adopted and will provide items and products that have use between the two.

Don't get me wrong, I Think USB-C is the future, and I want it now in everything.

But you can't say "monitors of the future" will provide the power for a laptop that exists today as some magical excuse for people questioning it.

Too many times have people been burned by "if you build it, they will come" mentality. Apple has done so to their customers twice. Both Firewire and Thunderbolt were toughted by apple as the future of connectivity (And thunderbolt was even a standard available to other companies). And both ended up not providing the level of promised peripherals in the end, with Firewire even being abandoned all together.

You cannot fault people for being skeptical the 3rd time they're being made this same promise "buy it now and sometimes in the future, we'll have products for it"

I am sure USB-C won't be from a personal level. but to discount someone's concern is insulting.

It's not asinine, if you don't plan to move in that direction do not buy this product.

Yes, it is a chicken and egg situation - you want accessories for something that doesn't exist yet.

Yes, buy an adapter if you want ensure universal adoption.

If you think USB C is the future, buy this laptop IN THE FUTURE.

Now you're simply taking what I said out of context. Someone is saying Apple didn't think about what this laptop will need. I'm saying that Apple is thinking ahead and providing an adapter now. I know you want to disprove what I had to say without actually becoming part of the overall conversation but it doesn't work that way.

Obviously, I mean completely freaking obviously, Apple is going to make a USB C monitor to replace the current Cinema Display.

I didn't discount anyone's concern, it's insulting that you are even going down this path with what I said when it's clear you missed the entire point from the getgo.

 

[nilk]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

That's some strong disagreement Care to elaborate on any specific points of disagreement?

I feel like a lot of peoples' dislike of the USB-C decision is just a gut reaction to change without thinking it through, and not considering how this will shape up in the near future. My view on the new MacBook is that it may not be a machine for me right now [1], but I think it will in a few iterations.

For me, the make it or break it thing will be the keyboard.

[1] I use 3 Macs right now (work laptop, home desktop, home laptop), and this would probably be a great replacement for my least powerful laptop (2009 17" MBP I use at home), but budget considerations and the fact that I use my work laptop a lot make it more sensible to wait.

 

[Iconoclysm]

And that is the only real point I have with the macbook.

I only think 2 might be better because I've never tried to work with 1!!! And neither have you. When I look at my current PC ultrabook, all the USB ports are used by a Logitech dongle and a Plantronics dongle. If this were a MacBook, I would have two open and unused USB ports. Otherwise, I have a travel hub. Which sounds a lot like a USB C adapter that Apple is making and I'm sure you can buy from 3rd parties on the cheap.

 

[Mildredop]

Can you give me the egg from a chicken that hasn't hatched yet? Eventually, all monitors will be USB C, PC or not.

It's replies like this that make me hate online forums. People are so quick to be rude to one another.

I was following your particular thread as I am interested in the MacBook and would also be interested in a screen that I could use with it which would also act as a hub.

In all fairness, your original post suggested this existed:

You do realize that an external monitor could act as power, video, and a hub for everything else, right?

 

[LordVic]

Obviously, I mean completely freaking obviously, Apple is going to make a USB C monitor to replace the current Cinema Display.

they also said they would have thunderbolt docking stations.

They never released one.

they also only ever made ONE thunderbolt display, which is no longer available or supported.

The question is still valid.

as I said, I am with you on the desire for USB-C to be the future. but you outright discounted his concern and brought up a logical fallacy of the chicken v the egg discussion, which is a false equivelancy. It's a false equivelancy because the chicken v egg refers to something in nature and the process of evolution. as a metaphor for technology it's loosely applicable at best. Apple could have very well avoided the chicken v egg metaphor in it's entirety by launching products at the same time to showcase this "future", or provided 2ndary alternative bridged components in the meantime.

 

[newellj]

Can you give me the egg from a chicken that hasn't hatched yet? Eventually, all monitors will be USB C, PC or not.

No, no no no no no. We want...FIREWIRE!!! Happy 4/1.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Clearly you can't see how unless one port on a computer can be for some people or tell people they can fix a problem with an imaginary product.

So where can I get my USB C monitor?

You know Apple could have made the thunderbolt display compatible with displayport when the first released it but decided to include artificial barriers to restrict it's customers. Apple has gone form displayport to thunderbolt and back to displayort. Apple is going back in time shafting it's customer on the way.

When you get your USB C monitor, then buy a USB C laptop. It's not only Apple that's going this route, but it is only Apple that's going to have people whining before they figure it all out - as usual.

 

[newellj]

You're absolutely correct! That's another check on the "con" side of the ledger for MagSafe. If you've bought into the single port theory of design, it should be very stable and unlikely to accidentally detach. Like I said, assuming that you buy into the single port theory, and clearly Apple did.

My hunch, or at least my preference, would be to see Apple ditch the archaic headphone jack and replace it with a second USB C port for v2 of this machine. I am very confident that Apple can engineer that, and if they think they are going to lead us all, kicking and screaming, into the no-wires age, they might as well start with freakin' Bluetooth earbuds, really.

 

[Iconoclysm]

It's replies like this that make me hate online forums. People are so quick to be rude to one another.

I was following your particular thread as I am interested in the MacBook and would also be interested in a screen that I could use with it which would also act as a hub.

In all fairness, your original post suggested this existed:

How is that a rude comment? That's just another way of saying it's a chicken and egg problem.

My original post was in response to a hypothetical that Apple hadn't considered 4 different use cases. And that response was to say that yes, Apple and everyone else out there have thought of the response. USB C is chainable and universal. There's not much more to think about here other than considering that you're buying a product that will be more useful in the future than it is right now. All these complaints about Apple not thinking seem to come from people that aren't being realistic.

 

[Yr Blues]

The MagSafe omission bothered me for a while. Then I thought about the fact that I've been using laptops on the job and at home for more than 30 years and never had a power cord snag. More importantly, both of my kids made it through high school and college without ever having a power cord snag, and I never heard of any of their friends having one, either. My conclusion is that it's gorgeous engineering that doesn't actually prove much. I'd be much more interesting in Apple figuring out how to prevent the cords from fraying every 11 months or so.

i think the laptop got too light for the magnet to disengage with the power port. when it snags, it just takes the whole laptop with it.

magsafe needs to be coupled with a heftier laptop to work properly.

and you dont want weaker magnets or it doesnt stay secure when you need it to

 

[newellj]

jup!

Thats what I like about the return policy ,within 2 weeks here in the Netherlands... no questions asked. Either trade it in for another Mac or your money back... at least here at my local Apple store

Same in the US. Before this one was introduced I tried really hard for a second time to get comfortable with an 11" MBA. Just couldn't live with the display. They took it back, no questions asked.