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I had to read the title 5 times! This is a total shock. Anyway, the iMac is a nice machine for work, but "server grade" and "iMac" don't belong together. Don't pros* want towers?

*When I say pros, I mean people for whom top-of-the-line consumer parts (i7, non-ECC RAM) are not enough, even in this day and age when most heavy applications run fine on them.
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Maybe Apple is thinking this is a bandaid solution for those who need a macpro but don't want to spend the money on a discontinued product that isn't upgradeable.
It can't be an easy solution. I can't imagine how they're going to shove that stuff into an iMac... and keep it cool. They must have engineered all kinds of special parts for this. Are we going to see a water-cooled iMac???
 
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Apple's 'pro' machines have always been heavily aimed at creative industries.

no they don't. [want to upgrade old machines]
they want to buy a machine that's suitable for their needs and is reliable.. that's basically it. they choose their configuration at time of purchase and would rather not bother with computer parts/purchases until their next machine.

the people mostly concerned with upgrading the individual components are tinker types and those who will be buying the used computers off the pros in an effort to not pay new prices while having new specs.

This is spot on. I've worked in creative studios for two decades now, and don't think I've ever met an editor or designer who even had the faintest idea what graphics card is in their machine.

The only creatives I've ever known to take any interest in that stuff were 3D animators.

If there isn't enough power available to get through a job, a new machine is bought. I have never, ever seen people faffing about with GPU or processor upgrades to old machines that weren't up to the task.

This is the domain of the tinkerer, gamer or prosumer. If you are an invoicing professional, you really should be making enough to buy a top spec machine and replace it regularly.


why do you think this?
imo, it's the pro or most certainly the 'creative pros' who apple generally targets that are very likely to be concerned with aesthetics.. i mean, their jobs likely have design and aesthetics as a major concern. so they're just as likely to prefer their tools/purchases to have these elements as well.
we want function AND form. not either-or.. functional with lack of form is a fail. pure form with lack of function is a fail(re: topic of tools)... it's the seamless marriage of both that creatives are after.

Agree with this as well. My studio doesn't run any Apple software, I chose the hardware because it requires little technical knowledge to manage IT-wise vs windows which I find confusing, and because the machines look good and go with the aesthetic we hope to offer clients through our work.

RAID storage is never inside the machine, because if a drive or the computer goes down they take down both. External thunderbolt raids are fantastic.

If the machines weren't up to the job, I'd be over to Dell or HP in a second, but for us the huge bulk of time on a job is spent making creative decisions, and render time is either timed around a coffee/lunch break or done overnight if it's a particularly massive task.

These considerations are built into the time line of the quote, and if we were getting turnarounds that were so tight that a lack of the latest hardware was the limiting factor I would say more than likely the client's expectations are the problem.


Of course Apple has languished on the latest-tech front, they've now admitted fault and are getting on with it. I'll be investing in these new iMacs if they look any good, and assess the Mac Pro replacement when it arrives.

In the meantime I'll be using current machines, making clients happy and sending invoices on their merry way..
 
Me too. If they don't increase the thickness, there's quite a risk for a heat death.

On top of that, most users dont need a Xeon and can perfectly fine work with an i5 or i7. If you want a real workhorse that really kicks ass in any content creation program, you don't buy a iMac. Period. I even would not go for the Mac Pro. Hello PC.

The rest: cant wait to see how you are going to spend 6K for a maxed (pro) iMac with ADM gfx cards and no cuda :)
 
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Apple didn't really say they were rethinking the desktop machine. They are rethinking what the Mac Pro machine should be based on the sales, upgradability, and user experience. The iMac is a great selling desktop for Apple, they don't need to make it upgradeable like the Mac Pro.

But ... they are making a model specifically called the iMac 'pro'. So it may be fair to assume that the 'pro' aspects they apply to the Mac Pro will also apply to the iMac pro. One of those aspects - may be upgradability.
 
But ... they are making a model specifically called the iMac 'pro'. So it may be fair to assume that the 'pro' aspects they apply to the Mac Pro will also apply to the iMac pro. One of those aspects - may be upgradability.
how do u see this happening? Its a big laptop on a stand. It is not that you can buy a GFX card and just put int in a slot. iMacs will be iMacs, with only a memory slot on the bottom. I dont think Apple would like you to change your hardware yourself.
 
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Neat. :cool:

Apple's finally treading carefully. based on weather Touchbar was a success on the new Macbook Pro.

At least their wise.. Apple's gong in all directions... Do that want a trash-can portable Mac, or do they want a Pro desktop ..... ?
 
But ... they are making a model specifically called the iMac 'pro'. So it may be fair to assume that the 'pro' aspects they apply to the Mac Pro will also apply to the iMac pro. One of those aspects - may be upgradability.
Just to clarify, there has been no indication whatsoever that the "pro" version of the iMac is going to be called the iMac Pro. That's internet shorthand, nothing more.
 
If there's no matte option I'm done with iMacs. I'm really tired of having this mirror in front of me. I've bought a Dell matte monitor for a Windows machine, it's sooo much better. But I doubt it will happen. Unfortunately.

Update: in fact I'm so tired of this glossy screen that I ordered another Dell monitor to mirror my iMac. Goodbye glossy!
 
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RAID storage is never inside the machine, because if a drive or the computer goes down they take down both. External thunderbolt raids are fantastic.

There are a lot of good arguments for the Mac Pro cylinder concept vs. the "Big Box o' Slots" model, now we have Thunderbolt and high-speed USB to connect external drives and other expansions.

On the other hand - an updated Cheesegrater would still have Thunderbolt and USB-3.1g2 to connect to your external RAID if you wanted - or you could plug in a 10G Ethernet/Fibre channel/whatever card you needed to talk to a SAN, without needing a trailing box & power supply. Or you might just want a single, big SSD (you can get PCIe cards that take 4xM.2 SSDs) that could easily be swapped out to another machine. You could also decide what GPU solution suited your application - a single super-powerful one vs. dual Open-CL optimised one.

That's the fundamental problem with the nMP: it was an excellent solution for a particular group of users, but if it didn't fit your needs then you had nowhere else to go. The 2016 MBPs are similar: I get the impression that Apple are playing the game of inventing a "typical user" and designing for them - and forgetting anybody who isn't quite typical.

Apple need an "other" option - and I think that in the current climate they could safely release a flexible ATX tower system, with minimal R&D cost beyond a better-than-average case design, without decimating the market for MacBooks and iMacs.

and don't think I've ever met an editor or designer who even had the faintest idea what graphics card is in their machine.

...but hopefully someone advised them when speccing-up their machines.
 
Asked on your post, you don't know what professional means. That's a simple fact.

Well, you surely know what professionalism means, because you're acting like a professional imbecile.
Have I given a wrong definition of "professional" in my post? No.
Don't bother quoting me again before you can distinguish between fact and fiction, keyboard warrior.
 
I still can't see the new iMacs being for "pros" since most professionals want a machine they can upgrade (beyond just more RAM). And we all know that iMacs are one of the least upgradable machines on the market.
If you expect PCIe slots (incl. for the graphic card the iMac ships with), not-going-to-happen on an iMac. Even for the new, new Mac Pro this is not exactly guaranteed. Thus the only thing this iMac Pro could offer in additional upgradability is easier access to the HDD (aka 3.5" SATA) slot and in your wildest dreams maybe a standard, user-accessible m2 PCIe SSD slot. But that would only mean that it is easier to upgrade the HDD to a larger one, something unlikely to happen even every two years, more like 3+ years. Having it done by a technician on the current iMac every three years is not the biggest of hassles. Easy accessibility is more about getting more RAM and HDD storage at a cheaper price than getting it from Apple (though after five years of offering 3 TB drives as the largest capacity HDD in iMacs, Apple is way behind the curve on that).
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But ... they are making a model specifically called the iMac 'pro'. So it may be fair to assume that the 'pro' aspects they apply to the Mac Pro will also apply to the iMac pro. One of those aspects - may be upgradability.
If it were the exact same list of aspects, it would be a Mac Pro not an iMac Pro. It'll be some (or rather a few) aspects. ECC RAM (that comes with E3 Xeons) would be one of them. A better graphic card would be another. I'm not sure I expect much else. Maybe more RAM slots (that might come with the E3 Xeon).
 
Meanwhile, the "revolutionary" 2016 MacBook Pro, with all its anaemic glory, hasn't exactly caused a revolution in the industry. Quite the opposite, as Apple used to top this chart since 2010. Cupertino's apologists may be purposefully obtuse, but the market sure isn't.

At this point, I put little trust on anything that comes out of Apple's fabled "pipeline". Hope I'm proven wrong.

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Regardless of that graph I wouldn't touch Lenovo or Asus computers. I've owned both, never again. Then again, Apple is fast heading in the same direction.
[doublepost=1492611305][/doublepost]Maybe the writer should read a bit about "servers" to understand what they are and what they're for. An ultra thin desktop using laptop hardware built into a display pretending to be a 'server' is a bit far away from the target. The "latest discrete graphics card" doesn't change that in any way. Nor does any CPU they throw in.

Maybe try to make something that can actually 'serve' something. Preferably without heating up the room with the useless 27" display, too? And maybe some expansion space? And some serious hardware? Did I mention expansion? 64GB of memory? Yea, sure. Because that was more than enough in 2009. Our smallest servers come with 2 CPUs and 128GB of memory because they're not for too big workloads. The rest have more.

I shouldn't really be surprised, though. It's well in line with the 'pro' laptop they offer. The successor to this piece of junk I'm using to write this. I've had 5 coffees today because I'm running from a cafe to another to charge this 15" rMBP piece of **** because it keeps running out of power between customer cases. Maybe I should just settle on an iPad Pro with one of their mediocre keyboards and pretend it's worth anything. Next time I won't forget to bring my Surface Pro 4 along. It at least has the battery saving mode which allows me to survive most of the day.
 
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"Server grade" means it should have replaceable hard drives... That's kind of the point of a server.
except when 'server grade' is encapsulated by quotation marks and the translation is through a taiwanese based manufacturer..
at that point, we should at the very least not get too hung up on the meaning of 'server grade' in this context ;)


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if apple tries marketing this thing as 'server grade' then yeah, go to town on them.. but this term isn't coming from them, i don't think.
 
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In 2016, we were told that new iMacs would appear in early 2017. It is April. This is not early. Now Apple is saying later in the year. I held off upgrading because Apple is making only 3 year old iMacs.
I do not want the headaches of a Hackintosh, but it looks like it is the only way I will get a Mac desktop using current processors anytime soon.
Besides of which, I want a Mac where I can upgrade RAM. Newer 21" iMacs are completely sealed.
Apple still keeps emphasizing form and design over use. I love the software. But I miss my open box of my G3 and G5.
 
I love my MacBook Pro but I always wanted to have an iMac but I hadn't have an opportunity. I wanted to buy one this February but I saw recommendation on the Mac Buyer's Guide ("Don't buy!") so I went with MacBook Pro. That was a good choice, it's a new model.

Current iMac is 2 years old, it's a huge for a computer. I mean, who could buy a 2015 machine in 2017? It's insane! And 2013 Mac Pro? This is mental too!

So, I'm waiting for a new iMac and maybe I will buy one. There is so much things I want to buy this year that I don't know which I'm going to. And I will not buy everything, unfortunately:( .
 
And it will un-user serviceable, all options must be bought at purchase and will start at $2,199 for the base and goes up from there.....
 
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unless they utilize the higher side of xeon chips, only benefit of using a xeon is ECC memory.
Given that the limitation of iMac formfactor, I'm worried that this so-called "server grade cpu" is only marketing gimmick.

I really hope that Apple gets its !@#$ together this time and use highend xeon chips with more than 4 cores (+8 cores)
 
Just to clarify, there has been no indication whatsoever that the "pro" version of the iMac is going to be called the iMac Pro. That's internet shorthand, nothing more.

iTunes and iMac branding could be on the way out anyway. iNaming needs to go so that the range can be properly refreshed and redesigned to feel new again.
 
That's the fundamental problem with the nMP: it was an excellent solution for a particular group of users, but if it didn't fit your needs then you had nowhere else to go. The 2016 MBPs are similar: I get the impression that Apple are playing the game of inventing a "typical user" and designing for them - and forgetting anybody who isn't quite typical.
Complete again. You sum up one of Apple's greatest weaknesses perfectly.

One of Apple's strengths has been industrial design, but this can be a weakness. Apple designs a product that is perfect for some group of users, but they can not conserve that their design may not be perfect for all. This is arrogances.
 
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