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Microsoft are aiming their SurfacePro at people who need a computer as a replacement for a computer. Apple are aiming the iPad at those who don't need a full computer but a device to browse on and do occasional light work.

Tablets arn't the answer to a replacement to a full computer if you need one, they are however a replacement for those who don't need a full computer which as it happens accounts for most people.
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I don't have any real issues with using the sp4 as a tablet, neither does my wife. It works fine for what we both need it to do.

Thats cool, and I am happy you like it. I actually like it too in some respects.
Again tho there is a difference between it works fine and its a great touch experience. All the people here defending the SP3 tablet mode make my point by saying. "It works fine in tablet mode".

If I spend 800+ on a device I want it to be top of the line, be it the laptop part or the tablet part, and unfortunately the Surface is neither.
 
Thats cool, and I am happy you like it. I actually like it too in some respects.
Again tho there is a difference between it works fine and its a great touch experience. All the people here defending the SP3 tablet mode make my point by saying. "It works fine in tablet mode".

If I spend 800+ on a device I want it to be top of the line, be it the laptop part or the tablet part, and unfortunately the Surface is neither.
The surface pro 4 is a top of line extremely portable Windows device. We got a fairly loaded model so we spent about $1200. To us, the benefits of the form factor outweigh the disadvantages.

We don't make that distinction between good and great. It either does what we need or doesn't is my line in the sand.
 
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I wish Microsoft would stop think its a competition to get the 'competitive edge' and start thinking whats best for *them* like Apple does, but i guess they can't help showing what oe can do better tha the other.

*laughs like dr. jekyll* we have u all now.
 
I attended a Startup Weekend this past weekend. All I brought was my iPad. My group discovered (quickly) that I could do more on my iPad than they could do on their laptops (both PC and Mac). Why? Because I know the capacities of my device. I know which app to use to accomplish what.

It's a fair comparison. It's just not done to Apple's advantage. Apple could do this if they cared.
 
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I rather have more than 3 hours of battery life...surface is a mess as a tablet....and i have had 3 surface 4s and all of them were buggy and with low battery life...thank goodness for my iPad Pro 9.7 and my ipad pro 12.9...otherwise i use a real laptop if i need something that the iPads can't offer but never again a Surface Pro ....
Whatever it's best for you.
Seems you need two iPads and laptops for your use. Good luck w all of that.
 
Whatever it's best for you.
Seems you need two iPads and laptops for your use. Good luck w all of that.
I think of it like a Swiss army knife vs having a steak knife, butcher knife, and chef knife. Yes, you can cut things with the Swiss army knife and its small size makes it the thing I reach for when I can live with any result. However, it is often not the ideal tool for the job, so I have better tools and knives that I use when I need them. The Surface Pro is a Swiss army knife. It is not the ideal laptop because it isn't even steady on the lap and it is not the ideal tablet because of its lack of battery power and lack of comparable touch capable apps. However, it works if you don't have access to the ideal tool for most jobs.
 
The surface pro 4 is a top of line extremely portable Windows device. We got a fairly loaded model so we spent about $1200. To us, the benefits of the form factor outweigh the disadvantages.

We don't make that distinction between good and great. It either does what we need or doesn't is my line in the sand.

Yeah it does all that with a crap keyboard and an even worse trackpad. Thats my point, its an average laptop at best. Im just saying if you spend 1200+, you should make that distinction between good and great. 1200 is a lot of money.
 
I wish Microsoft would stop think its a competition
But it is a competition. Microsoft wants the customer to buy their product and not Apple's. Given the fact that Apple is the market leader, its a typical approach. Highlight the deficiencies of your competition while promoting the strength of yours.

As noted many times, Apple has done this through out the years, most recently the I'm a PC/I'm a Mac marketing.

You cannot say MS should stop thinking its a competition when Apple themselves think of it that way as well.
 
Yeah it does all that with a crap keyboard and an even worse trackpad. Thats my point, its an average laptop at best. Im just saying if you spend 1200+, you should make that distinction between good and great. 1200 is a lot of money.
I love the keyboard and can type fairly fast on it. Track pad is fine. It's an excellent package all together. Money well spent. We're splitting hairs. I value portability and power first. Gets an excellent. Ease of use excellent. Smaller than a laptop is a plus. Battery life okay, not a sticking point.
 
Thats my point, its an average laptop at best
Its a hybrid device that can be a tablet or a laptop replacement. From a portability aspect, I found my SP3 to be the best mobile device I've owned. I much prefer traveling with that then my MBP. I'm not going to get into semantics of good vs. great but will say this. I found the SP3 to be a good value for the money I spent.
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I love the keyboard and can type fairly fast on it.
The keyboard isn't bad, it isn't great, but it isn't bad.

Track pad is fine.
I hate trackpads in general, so I won't say much there. I usually use the touchscreen where it makes sense then the trackapd. I usually travel with a mouse as well. In fact I traveled with a mouse when I took my MBP, so its not just the SP's trackpad I avoid but all of them ;)
 
Its a hybrid device that can be a tablet or a laptop replacement. From a portability aspect, I found my SP3 to be the best mobile device I've owned. I much prefer traveling with that then my MBP. I'm not going to get into semantics of good vs. great but will say this. I found the SP3 to be a good value for the money I spent.
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The keyboard isn't bad, it isn't great, but it isn't bad.


I hate trackpads in general, so I won't say much there. I usually use the touchscreen where it makes sense then the trackapd. I usually travel with a mouse as well. In fact I traveled with a mouse when I took my MBP, so its not just the SP's trackpad I avoid but all of them ;)
Mouse, of course. Much, more betterer. :) I dislike trackpads also, but the one on the keyboard is workable and not wonky.
 
I dislike trackpads also, but the one on the keyboard is workable and not wonky.
The SP4 keyboard is much better, so much so, that I opted to buy the keyboard for my SP3 and I've been happy with it since.
 
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I love the keyboard and can type fairly fast on it. Track pad is fine. It's an excellent package all together. Money well spent. We're splitting hairs. I value portability and power first. Gets an excellent. Ease of use excellent. Smaller than a laptop is a plus. Battery life okay, not a sticking point.

Fair enough, I can see that.
 
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