What? You're saying you've never used SSH if you've never put anything in the background before? What type of logic is that?
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
New Surface Pro 4 Ad Takes on Apple's 'What's a Computer?' iPad Pro Campaign
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
What? You're saying you've never used SSH if you've never put anything in the background before? What type of logic is that?
Surface pro 4 is so much more productive than an iPad Pro. I may start working on a document on my iPad Pro but I always wind up completing the document on my MacBook Pro because word and pages has its limits on an iPad.
A surface pro is a true laptop/ desktop replacement because it runs a desktop OS. I've had a surface pro 3 and a surface 3. They have the best of both worlds.
MS is 100% right.
iPad Pro will not be truly "pro" until it can run a full OS or run MacOS programs and at least file finder .
A surface pro is a true laptop/ desktop replacement because it runs a desktop OS. I've had a surface pro 3 and a surface 3. They have the best of both worlds.
MS is 100% right.
iPad Pro will not be truly "pro" until it can run a full OS or run MacOS programs and at least file finder .
Last edited:
w-h-a-a-a-a-a-t?
[doublepost=1471541895][/doublepost]
I really don't see that great a difference in ipp pencil vs sp pen. Apple did a great job, and the tilt thing is cool. But the latency differences seem to dissolve when using similar software. I personally like the sp pen--its softer tip and form factor work for me. I do like the pencil as well--but wasn't blown away
[doublepost=1471542152][/doublepost]
I agree, but don't know if this is a bad work flow. I mean maybe the form factor advantages and simpler os are worth the trade off, especially if you find a simple way to transition documents...continuim, onedrive, whatever. I am a surface fan, but I have considered this.
[doublepost=1471542273][/doublepost]
and highly profitable
Last edited:
You just described apple circa 'always'...
Solid software is always what makes the older hardware work just as good or better as newer more powerful hardware on win machines. Apple was always good w innovating software and optimization, but those were the days.
I love my iPad and 12" MacBook, as well as my iPhone 6+. Have invested lots in the iOS apps. As well as in MacOS apps. Would love a tablet solution that would allow for both OS apps to work in a tablet and notebook situation. Would be a great work/life balance.
Me! I use my Surface Pro 4 90% of the time as a pure consumption device. Having a Home Screen not full of just static squares but live tiles is awesome. A full file manager so I can organize all the torrents I download (legal of course!)
Oh and being able to plug an Xbox one controller in that sucker and play non mobile games where ever I decide to is awesome. Plus the Screen! Amazing. Its also amazing to hook up the type cover or any USB or Bluetooth keyboard and a external mouse and use it. Buy a dock with a monitor and you got a desktop. Oh yeah one more thing.... Expandable freaking storage yo! Got my 128gb SD card in there, never take it out and my 2tb external slim HD to plug in. Its only got one USB port but I bought a cheap USB hub with 4 ports that doesn't have to be plugged in and works perfect. I have used Macs and OSX since it came out but apples refusal to put ANYTHING other than a phone OS on their tablets ended up making me switch. Not regretting it either!Why does that quote say I said that? I didn't even write that post ??
[doublepost=1471578172][/doublepost]
w-h-a-a-a-a-a-t?
I guess the question then is - better for whom, and for what tasks precisely?
Your problem comes when you are trying to pass off a personal opinion (the surface pro is better than an iPad Pro) as absolute fact.
I am a teacher in an elementary school and I use my iPad Pro and Apple Pencil in my classroom teaching every day. They work very well for me, because I am deeply entrenched in the Apple ecosystem and because I prefer the simplicity of iOS over a full-blown desktop OS for the sort of things that I do on a tablet. The iPad Pro has longer battery life, 4g access and better-optimised tablet apps, which makes better suited for what passes for productivity in my book.
You can argue that stuff like annotating on PDFs in Notability or scanning a document or recording screencasts is not serious productivity, but it's what I do as part of my job, and it's this job which pays the bills for me, and I do find these tasks easier to perform on an iPad than a Surface Pro, precisely because the interface and apps are simpler. This means I spend less time and energy navigating the UI, which in turn means more time for actually getting things done.
And when I end the day with my iPad Pro at 30% on certain longer days, this means a Surface Pro would have run itself dry long before the school day was over.
Yes, a surface pro may be better at tasks such as editing video via adobe premiere or when I need to hook it up to a triple-monitor setup, but I have absolutely no need for those, and so that feature is completely a non-factor when I am shopping for my next tablet.
You don't miss what you don't need, and not everyone needs their PC to run top-end video-editing software.
So in an school environment where yje iPad is going to be on a desk maybe near a plug socket, you are going to bring battery life in as a major plus point... OK...
It doesn't matter what your usage options are, a full blown desktop OS running native full blown apps is better than mobile phone software running watered down apps. The end. There is no discussion about it. To say you don't use the features of the surface is an irrelevant comment.
Enjoy your day sir.
And my challenge to you then is - define "better" and "better at what" exactly?
I buy the device for my own usage, not yours. Shouldn't I be the final arbiter as to whether mobile apps or desktop apps are "better" for me? I am simply pointing out that everyone's use case differs and you cannot assume that we are all equally served by a surface pro running desktop apps.
I have no idea what you think it is a teacher does in your school, but I have days where I am on my feet teaching from 8 to 3.30 with few breaks in between. In class, I circulate around the room (this is made possible because I am able to project my iPad screen to the whiteboard via my Apple TV. So I simply don't get to sit down and charge my iPad throughout the entire day. And I like that I don't have to worry about monitoring my battery level or running out of juice - my iPad Pro has been able to handle everything I have thrown at it so far.
So yes, for me, my iPad Pro represents the perfect compromise of battery life, portability and ease of use and these matter way more to me than some abstract notion of running desktop apps.
I wouldn't say it's about my usage or your usage, that is individual cases. Is a fiesta better than a bugatti veyron? Heck no. Well it is if you want to take 4 kids to skool, but on the whole it is an inferior piece of kit.
This is exactly the same situation, a watered down app experience, next to no ports, no file system access. In terms of actual proper computer usage the iPad Pro is severely lacking, it's an air with a pencil.. which wouldn't be a bad thing until they advertise it as a computer replacement.
Enjoy the rest of your day sir.
I see the ipad pro as excellent graphics tablet. For some users thats enough, for others it can work well as a supplementary device. You must concede it has a lighter, slimmer form factor, great battery life and an excellent pen. I dont think it is a laptop replacement at this point, but its still and excellent tool for some. I get it that some here are overclaiming, but it is an apple forum!
And stop "g'daying" everyone. This forum is for the exchange ideas, not attitude
Last edited:
Are you seriously telling me to stop being pleasant in my posts? Really? You can't win...
If the entirety of what you do on a computer is draw, media consumption, browsing, emails, online purchases and the like, yes it is a computer replacement. If you need to develop using visual studio, run virtualized machines and the like, then it isn't.
Your computer uses seem fairly hitech, what is I just want to download all my pics from my phone onto a hard drive for a safe back up, I'm guessing the iPad pro maybe struggles in that regard.
Different use cases for sure. All I'm pointing out is there is an intersection of functionality, with a world of differences as well between the two devices. I still use my ipad extremely frequently, as media consumption, which is does excellently. The SP4 not so much as the battery life isn't as good, but if you want to run windows stuff flawlessly in a small package, it's great.
The biggest problem is one not of iPads doing, it's timmy opening his mouth and signing off on an ad campaign. To say that something is a replacement for something else, surely it has to be able to repeat all the features , and not just the simple browser, email , youtube that timmy hopes folk only do when using a laptop. I love my tablet, but the lack of a proper Usb slot is a pain...
The iPad pro is a grand piece of kit, but media consumption is its forte outside of graphics programs using the stylus.
I can only believe there are people, who watch netflix, surf, online shop and emails. IMO, Timmy doesn't have to get the to level, sp4 runs virtualization software and ipad pro doesn't. He also doesn't need to mention the sp4 will run any windows program developed since the dawn of mankind or what does "computer replacement" really mean? It's sufficiently vague; where the meaning could be anything from a $5M IBM mainframe to an old windows laptop.
The ipad pro is not marketed to a hardcore windows person. From my perspective it is not a proper windows replacement. My 91 year old aunt, can dump her mac and use the ipad pro as her primary computing device.
That's so cute, you being passive agressive. Actually it's apearantly I've struck a nerve, considering you had nothing to respond with other than "30 year old computing model is superior to modern computing model regardless of the evideence to the contrary..."
Please, cut the crap. If you have something to say, say it. Or is troll really the best you can do?
That's assuming the people who already own a laptop are using it 100% for the desktop features that you have listed out, and not because that was the only option available at that moment. And that the iPad doesn't have any things that it does better than on a conventional laptop.
The way I see it, you are getting way too hung up over a single line that Tim Cook said, and that is causing you to miss the forest for the trees and overlook all the strengths of the iPad Pro. Forget for a moment about whether it truly is a PC replacement for you or your mother or your best friend, and learn to evaluate it on its own merits.
For a device to be a replacement for that particular person, it just needs to replace only the features that the person actually ends up doing on the previous device. For example, if I have never written a line of code in my life before and don't intend to in the near future, then it's really no loss to me if an iPad can't perform a similar function. Likewise, I do a lot of writing and annotation on documents in my work as a teacher, and so I appreciate the sublime writing experience afforded by the Apple Pencil, something I can't get on a conventional Windows laptop. All my files are stored in the cloud, and I can't really recall the last time I plugged in a thumb drive.
Let me go on record by saying that while my iPad Pro can't yet replace my Mac 100%, I find that there are certain days where I barely turn on my MBA or my work-issued windows laptop at all, and I do everything I need to do from my iPad and iPhone. And every now and then, I stumble across an app or workflow which lets me do that little bit more on my iPad (which in turn means I need my iMac and MBA that bit less).
See what people need their PCs for, then work backwards and see which device is the best option for them. For some, it's a desktop. For others, it's a laptop. And for some people, who knows, it may very well be a tablet.
I've obviously upset you fella, I can only apologise for my choice of words.
Ps, maybe if you weren't being so prescious next time, that would help.
Nope. Just pointing out the fact that both the Surface Pro and the iPad Pro are targeting the laptop, not the desktop. Desktops are for gamers and IT & Creative professionals. The Surface Pro wants to give you an essentially traditional laptop experience and then say you can also use it as a tablet. The iPad Pro wants to say that you can replace your laptop with a new, paradigm-shifting touch first experience. Both are targeting Laptops, not Desktops.
For me, the Surface Pro 4 can't replace the iPad because of its battery life that won't get through a day without charging and doesn't have as many well designed apps built around touch. The Surface makes a better laptop than the iPad for my needs ( running Photoshop), but its form factor and keyboard are compromises compared to having a clamshell design. I have considered the Surface just because of the pen input in Photoshop, but at this point it is too much of a compromise compared to a MBP ( that can run Windows via bootcamp and VM Ware Fusion) and I don't travel enough that carrying an extra pound or two on trips is worth all of the other trade offs.
I may end up with a lower-end Surface down the road just to use with Photoshop, but I can't see it as my main tablet or main laptop. (Note: I now use Astropad with a computer running Photoshop to get access to pen/Pencil input).
I do think the commercial from Microsoft is smart, though ( other than ripping on their own tablet software). Apple has said that the new iPad Pro is a replacement for a 5 year old PC and I just don't see it. It is much better at being a casual use device for most people. I love mine ( posting this from an iPad Pro 9.7), but I still need a desktop OS for many things ( including multi-room AirPlay that Apple inexplicably hasn't enabled in the iOS operating system).
I may end up with a lower-end Surface down the road just to use with Photoshop, but I can't see it as my main tablet or main laptop. (Note: I now use Astropad with a computer running Photoshop to get access to pen/Pencil input).
I do think the commercial from Microsoft is smart, though ( other than ripping on their own tablet software). Apple has said that the new iPad Pro is a replacement for a 5 year old PC and I just don't see it. It is much better at being a casual use device for most people. I love mine ( posting this from an iPad Pro 9.7), but I still need a desktop OS for many things ( including multi-room AirPlay that Apple inexplicably hasn't enabled in the iOS operating system).
I think the surface proofs that to be a bad idea.
[doublepost=1471823972][/doublepost]
Absolutely correct. The surface is essential an average laptop disguised as a **** tablet.
[doublepost=1471824069][/doublepost]
If you can't sell stuff than an ad like this is the result.
[doublepost=1471824205][/doublepost]
Me! I use my Surface Pro 4 90% of the time as a pure consumption device. Having a Home Screen not full of just static squares but live tiles is awesome. A full file manager so I can organize all the torrents I download (legal of course!)
Wow you use the surface at its worst, as a tablet. LMAO. We dont want OSX on a tablet, it will be ****.
[doublepost=1471824390][/doublepost]
Only took them 4 attempts. Ever watched a Surface keynote, you can smell the desperation from microsoft trying to convince people to buy it.
Last edited:
I live my surface pro 4. Extreme portability, fast and just works. I don't have any issues with tablet mode, and the pen is great. It's not as good a tablet as an iPad Pro, but then again the iPad Pro isn't as good of a computer for my needs. Different strokes for different folks, as is always the case.