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Everyone complaining about us hoping that the ODD is removed hasn't said a word about bluray. I think this demonstrates that at the end of the day, apple will do what it likes - what is for the best. They have no interest in promoting optical discs as a medium and are only carrying a 14 year old technology for legacy purposes.

Think about how old DVD is... It's gonna get ditched - and sooner rather than later. Just the fact that Apple took a pass on BluRay is proof of that.

Then one or two people will complain but that's it.
 
Two years huh? Its fun to make promises no one is ever going to bother calling you on.

Quit comparing DVD drives to floppies. It's not the same. At all. No one ever went into a store and bought a movie or music to rip to a computer on a floppy. They were used for saving data, and a better option had come along. That is not the case here. iTunes movies do not go on sale and if you purchase them you are forever tied to one buying location.

It is unreasonable at this point to expect Internet media to replace it. Broadband speeds are inconsistent and prices are much higher on line. You can rent a redbox blu-ray for $1.20 or an hd apple movie for $4. And I bet the only reason it's even that low is because of DVD rental prices.

And what's more idiotic is many you want the DVD player gone to make the iMac thinner... You want a better gpu, I can understand (and I'd be willing to make that trade even though I use the DVD drive). Extra hd, that makes sense. But this stupid obsession with making this crap thinner and thinner to the point of taking away functionality, weakening the computer and creating heat problems is ridiculous. It's a desktop you retards.

I'm with you bro! I realy want the ODD gone but i don't want to see it thinner before functionality, rather "better gpu" or extra ssd/hd. I can anderstand those who think Atd looks nicer but I actully like iMac's designe not even the chin botthers me!:)
 
Did you buy high-buttoned shoes as well?

Do stores you frequent have high-buttoned shoes on the shelves? Because, you know, stores I frequent (including the Apple Store itself) still has boxed software on CDs/DVDs on the shelves.

Digital distribution still isn't feasible for all software, even with the best of internet connections, which is quite ignorant to assume everyone has. And given the footprint of an iMac and that the relative space of the internal ODD is negligible in that form factor, why would you purposely make software installation more inconvenient?

The ODD's days are numbered, but I just don't see 2012 as the year.
 
well, one thing you need to think about is the fact that if apple eliminates the ODD anyone without a drive will most likley buy all of their software on the mac app store. it will increase buisness for the App Store.
 
well, one thing you need to think about is the fact that if apple eliminates the ODD anyone without a drive will most likley buy all of their software on the mac app store. it will increase buisness for the App Store.

Have you looked in the Mac App Store? It's not a cornucopia of quality apps. It's getting there.. but it's not there.
 
LOL - have you looked at the selection of software on store shelves? I'd say its a lot more sparse than what you can buy online.
 
If you want to use outdated technology, buy a PC.

Hell, I believe you can still get PCs with floppy disk drives. Want Apple to put that back into iMac too?

Lol yeah because PC gives you gimped mobile GPU's with sub par amounts of ram, not the choice to get the most cutting edge hardware as its released or anything like that.
 
CDs are totally comparable to floppies. You're comparison seems unfair considering video capabilities were much lower then. Floppies were used to transfer documents and held dos games.

This is precisely why you can't compare them, which was my point. While better options have come along for moving data (and even playing games), the vast majority of people still have a dvd or blu ray player in the house for movies. This means that dvds are going to be around a while even though they have long ago ceased to be the best for data storage.

The reason why your rental pricing is so low is because rental stores can't compete with cloud based systems otherwise. Netflicks is so dominant right now, I hardly see any blockbusters around anymore.

Great example, except netflix ran blockbuster out by mailing DVDs to peoples houses, not streaming. Heck, they tried to start phasing out their dvds last year and were met with so much backlash they reversed their stance.

Cloud computing is without a doubt the reason why blue rays aren't as dominating as DVDs were when they came out... 1080p video is all over the web.

Yep, but the vast majority of people don't have a way to watch that in their living room yet. While it is certainly growing, isn't there yet, or close for that matter.

True, but slimmer machine, slimmer base. It's almost logical

This is almost rational.

Again, I have no real issue with getting rid of the odd, provided we get something in return. And a thinner imac isn't enough of a trade. It's an idiotic trade.
 
LOL - have you looked at the selection of software on store shelves? I'd say its a lot more sparse than what you can buy online.

Certainly I'd say the highest selection is what you can buy online and comes shipped in a box to your doorstep.
 
I hadn't even considered that the ODD was in jeopardy until coming here. I bought my iMac in Europe, along with many DVDs (Region 2). Now I'm back in the colonies (Region 1), and I had to buy an external DVD drive to play Region 1 DVDs. So if the new iMacs drop the ODD (I won't be buying for another year or two), I'll have to buy ANOTHER external drive to play the Region 2 DVDs. Terrific. (Please, no comments about VLC - I've already expended all the patience I have.) I don't want thin.
 
The iMac should be an inch fatter to get better cooling and parts.

I don't think anybody would argue with a fatter iMac if you were able to get an actual graphics card (obviously non upgradeable) instead of a wimpy mobile one and another HD in there.

The graphics card in the top model isn't that bad. On the same component budget you could get a very nice desktop grade gpu, but I don't see it happening. It would most likely require upgrading the power supply as well, and Apple has never assigned a high priority to min/maxing gpu power. If they change their attitude now, it will surprise me.




I'm with you bro! I realy want the ODD gone but i don't want to see it thinner before functionality, rather "better gpu" or extra ssd/hd. I can anderstand those who think Atd looks nicer but I actully like iMac's designe not even the chin botthers me!:)

It's extremely unlikely as they'd be moving to a different power class in terms of gpus. Their surface area is much larger. They require larger power sources. I just don't see it happening. If anything I wonder if games will trend toward lighter system requirements.

The trend is an obvious one when you can see so many companies willing to develop hardware with larger hardrives and opting to cut the optical drive. I don't doubt that soon game consoles will do the same.

Cloud computing is without a doubt the reason why blue rays aren't as dominating as DVDs were when they came out... 1080p video is all over the web.



True, but slimmer machine, slimmer base. It's almost logical

On slimmer machines, you're way into diminishing returns on desk space. The only reasons would be aesthetics and marketing (because changing superficial elements makes them look new and shiny again). On game consoles, I think it's partially a desire to kill the used game market. It also makes it easier for these companies to port old popular titles with potentially lower distribution overhead.
 
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It is not an idiotic trade. Thin iMac is a worthy goal. It looks better. Sorry to all the nerds who don't care about style - this is true.

DVD is FOURTEEN years old... There is no other technology in any Apple product that is as old as this! It is way past time for Apple to get rid of this old technology.

My parents still use a VCR to record shows on TV. They think its good enough and can't be bothered with the new fangled DVRs lolol

That's what I think about when I read everyone talking about how much they rely on the ODD...
 
That is true, but deprecated functionalities should not supercede appearance.

I would not mind a thinner model as long as cooling and performance did not suffer. I would much rather have a current design then deal with heat issues.
 
It is not an idiotic trade. Thin iMac is a worthy goal. It looks better. Sorry to all the nerds who don't care about style - this is true.

DVD is FOURTEEN years old... There is no other technology in any Apple product that is as old as this! It is way past time for Apple to get rid of this old technology.

My parents still use a VCR to record shows on TV. They think its good enough and can't be bothered with the new fangled DVRs lolol

That's what I think about when I read everyone talking about how much they rely on the ODD...
Some people will hang on to the ODD forever if Apple kept it. They'll hang on and hang until absolutely forced to move on to better things. I can't comprehend it. I really can't.
 
Just to put things in stark perspective...

The DVD was new when Steve Jobs took over Apple again.






I don't know if that really sank in... Think about it. For as long as Steve Jobs built Apple into the company it is now, that is the age of the ODD in iMacs. Before iPod, before iMac itself, before OSX!

Now do you guys get it? It is OUTDATED and OBSOLETE!
 
Just to put things in stark perspective...

The DVD was new when Steve Jobs took over Apple again.






I don't know if that really sank in... Think about it. For as long as Steve Jobs built Apple into the company it is now, that is the age of the ODD in iMacs. Before iPod, before iMac itself, before OSX!

Now do you guys get it? It is OUTDATED and OBSOLETE!

What is it with you guys who seem to value Form over Function?
 
It is not an idiotic trade. Thin iMac is a worthy goal. It looks better. Sorry to all the nerds who don't care about style - this is true.

On slimmer machines, you're way into diminishing returns on desk space. The only reasons would be aesthetics and marketing (because changing superficial elements makes them look new and shiny again).

thekev is dead on here. A slimmer iMac is all about marketing if they go that direction. They want to find any way to make you hate your 2011 iMac i7 (or whatever version you have) and shaving 2 mm off the thickness will do that for most Apple faithful, forcing them to upgrade because they need not only shiny but the most shiny! At this point, going thinner will most likely either cost overall system performance or just cost more $ or both. Take the the new iPad 3 which actually got 0.8 mm thicker to add retina and bump the performance. I would bet anything they could have made the iPad 3 thinner but it would have cost closer to $999 for the base model rather than $499. So in that instance they chose features, performance and keeping the price point over playing the thin game. I only hope they make the same choice with the iMac. I would rather the iMac stay the same thickness and have strong performance gains and possibly retina over shaving 2 mm off a product that is already very slim.

Occamsrazr...I think you are going a little far to say that if we don't want a thinner iMac then we hate style. As an industrial designer I do my fair share of idolizing Apple and envying the designers that work there. They get to push the boundaries of materials and processes that most ID guys only dream about. Not only do they create unique, amazing and stylish products but they create and design the manufacturing processes that other companies will use in the future. So, I guess, as a designer I love when they push things thinner and smaller but as a customer I want a balance. I do not want to over pay for a piece of art that is useless. Thats what actual art is for.;)
 
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So here's the new iMac, much like the iPad two, the new iMac is much thinner, getting rid of the optical drive, and, you'll no doubt note, also getting rid of that unseemly chin, now covering the front with one big beautiful piece of glass.

Also, not only will the Macbook get a retina display, but the iMac will in fact get one of the following, 3840×2160 (Quad Full High Definition) which would make sense in that HD movies would just use double the pixels, or 3840×2400 which would make sense because they surely now must be removing the chin and using the Thunderbold display as a guidance but taking the chin and use it to give us some more screen real estate for a 30" iMac.

why are there all these down votes, i counteracted one so now its -9 this is a cool design. all it needs is backlit keyboard
 
Shaving fractions off the depth of the iMac body doesn't really make much difference to the space the machine takes because it is the base that determines the depth required.

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Exactly. The monitor could be 4 inches fatter and wouldn't take up any more space. I would rather they install a second optical drive before removing one.

I wish they would bring back the number pad on the keyboard as well. At least offer a wireless version as an upgrade. Doing serious work with numbers is much nicer with a dedicated number pad. I know you can buy separate usb ones, but why take away the option?
 
What is it with you guys who seem to value Form over Function?

watch dvds on a dvd player elsewhere get rid of the chin, make the iMac resemble the 27" tbolt display. Hell, let the casing be nearly the same, but obviously more $$ since the iMac will be a little thicker and or just have components inside. i want a fast quiet almost no moving parts iMac. Not a loud disc drive on startup ( so much for 2012) fans blasting. time to change the game. If not, idc, I'm still buying a high end 27" model

all the matte anti glare fans, that won't happen. apple won't ditch the newer edge to edge glass design that they love to have an aesthetically unappealing /harder to clean/ less vibrant iMac that was the white version.

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Exactly. The monitor could be 4 inches fatter and wouldn't take up any more space. I would rather they install a second optical drive before removing one.

I wish they would bring back the number pad on the keyboard as well. At least offer a wireless version as an upgrade. Doing serious work with numbers is much nicer with a dedicated number pad. I know you can buy separate usb ones, but why take away the option?

make the monitor thinner and lighter= smaller stand footprint. problem, solved

5days to 3 weeks well know
 
This is precisely why you can't compare them, which was my point. While better options have come along for moving data (and even playing games), the vast majority of people still have a dvd or blu ray player in the house for movies. This means that dvds are going to be around a while even though they have long ago ceased to be the best for data storage.

That's a grand statement, that you have not supported. Where is your source for this? I don't have a similar argument, but from the trend of technology, it is almost obvious that optical drives are not what they use to be (ultrabooks, netbooks, tablets, cars, media players, etc.). If they feel that it is unnecessary, then we can assume that DVD's aren't a big part of life anymore.

Great example, except netflix ran blockbuster out by mailing DVDs to peoples houses, not streaming. Heck, they tried to start phasing out their dvds last year and were met with so much backlash they reversed their stance.

I see, well streaming has succeeded mailing out DVDs hasn't it? Was there any backlash against streaming?

Yep, but the vast majority of people don't have a way to watch that in their living room yet. While it is certainly growing, isn't there yet, or close for that matter.

This is true, I'm surprised the Apple TV hasn't caught on yet. It's such a good deal. I'm not sure about this comment. It's really a preference and I can't really argue against it. If they needed to, there are many ways to watch it on the TV such as HDMI cable, AV cables, AirPlay, but I mean, some people just don't like to do it that way... I don't know.

This is almost rational.

I don't understand this comment. It's condescending and makes no sense.

Again, I have no real issue with getting rid of the odd, provided we get something in return. And a thinner imac isn't enough of a trade. It's an idiotic trade.

It's Apple's idiotic trade to make and not yours.

On slimmer machines, you're way into diminishing returns on desk space. The only reasons would be aesthetics and marketing (because changing superficial elements makes them look new and shiny again). On game consoles, I think it's partially a desire to kill the used game market. It also makes it easier for these companies to port old popular titles with potentially lower distribution overhead.

I may be way too obsessed about desk space, but that's because in a crowded city like Tokyo, New York, London, there isn't space for another desk. The space on my desk is all I have, so if my computer can tuck away to the back of the desk, that's great.

I agree with you on the aesthetics and marketing, but if things don't come in a smaller package, there is no reason to make the internals smaller for the future. I'd like to think of it as creating space for innovation.

You are probably correct about the game consoles. I don't play games. It was just something off the top of my head since I heard the playstation has XXGB now and the Xbox has XXGB. It was a random example I probably shouldn't have brought up, but I learned something new, so thanks.
 
Some people will hang on to the ODD forever if Apple kept it. They'll hang on and hang until absolutely forced to move on to better things. I can't comprehend it. I really can't.

Some people will jump to the next new thing regardless of whether or not it's actually better, just because it's new.

Don't get me wrong, you are appreciated, I make my living off of suckers who like shiny things without regard to functionality. :D

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It is not an idiotic trade. Thin iMac is a worthy goal. It looks better. Sorry to all the nerds who don't care about style - this is true.

Style is good, provided it doesn't take away from functionality. Form follows function, not the other way around.

DVD is FOURTEEN years old... There is no other technology in any Apple product that is as old as this! It is way past time for Apple to get rid of this old technology.

This is completely irrelevant. It shouldn't be replaced until you have a better option. And you don't. When they start selling movies on jump drives you'll have a point.

My parents still use a VCR to record shows on TV. They think its good enough and can't be bothered with the new fangled DVRs lolol

That's what I think about when I read everyone talking about how much they rely on the ODD...

DVRs add convenience. Removing the ODD removes convenience.
 
That's a grand statement, that you have not supported. Where is your source for this?

It's not grand at all. DVD sales just started falling drastically in the last few years (and movie ticket sales plummeted with them so it might just be hollywood making crap).

I see, well streaming has succeeded mailing out DVDs hasn't it? Was there any backlash against streaming?

This doesn't make any sense. Your first "question" is impossible to decipher. As for the second, why would their be a backlash against streaming? No one protests and added service, they just fought when Netflix tried to do away with dvds.

This is true, I'm surprised the Apple TV hasn't caught on yet. It's such a good deal.

It's not really a good deal, though I use it myself. You pay $99 for something which allows you to download more expensive movies than you can get on DVD. Streaming your media to it is a nightmare if you own a Windows computer (which the majority of people do) because iTunes still absolutely sucks on it.

For reference, I have a top of the line windows 7 computer I built last year and a 6 year old macbook pro. I have to stream iTunes over the macbook pro because iTunes crashes on the other one.

I don't understand this comment. It's condescending and makes no sense.

The point was that something can't be almost logical. It either is or isn't.

It's Apple's idiotic trade to make and not yours.

Indeed, but then so is pretty much everything discussed in most of these threads.

I may be way too obsessed about desk space, but that's because in a crowded city like Tokyo, New York, London, there isn't space for another desk. The space on my desk is all I have, so if my computer can tuck away to the back of the desk, that's great.

It already can do that. Trimming inches and ounces off a phone, tablet or netbook gains you something because those are portable devices. Trimming an inch off the depth of the iMac doesn't gain you even that inch of desk space.
 
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