New Time Capsules Rather Than Apple's Servers to Act as Hub for iCloud Data Syncing?

[WeegieMac]

Hmm, I can't see Apple going down the line of insisting that to use iCloud you must buy one of these new Time Capsules. Surely, along the same idea as Time Machine, you could use an external hard disk and simply leave your computer turned on and connected to WiFi while you're out, using iCloud software/app to sign in and access your content.

 

[iRobby]

This basically sounds like "Back To My Mac" on steroids, and we know how well that works - NOT!

No i don't know how well it works do tell how much you hate apple

 

[ldellx3]

whatd you guys think? i plan to buy my new macbook pro next weekend but i want lion. if i buy the macbook pro do you think theyd give me lion for free or discounted because i would have just gotten it? also what is the price of the os. i definitely cant wait till september if thats what theyre planning

 

[KnightWRX]

No i don't know how well it works do tell how much you hate apple

Please drop the "hater" name calling. Someone not liking every Apple product is not a Apple hater. He just happens to not need/enjoy everything Apple does. I like OS X, Macs, my iPhone, their SDK tools for both platforms. I don't like their online services, their iOS notifications, the lack of widgets on my iPhone or the Airport Extreme's limited software.

I'm not an Apple hater because I have a few dislikes about their stuff. I'm just a normal balanced person with an objective opinion and specific needs.

whatd you guys think? i plan to buy my new macbook pro next weekend but i want lion. if i buy the macbook pro do you think theyd give me lion for free or discounted because i would have just gotten it? also what is the price of the os. i definitely cant wait till september if thats what theyre planning

No one can answer you at this point and if anyone does, they don't know what they are talking about. Apple usually will hand out the new OS to recent Mac buyers. The window is usually quite small and until we know the ship date of Lion, no one can even start making predictions on when the cut-over is.

As for price, same thing. We'll know when they announce it.

 

[Dcuellar]

It's also the future as the owners of the broadband pipes continue to consolidate down to duopolies & monopolies. Along with higher speeds at "rape" pricing, expect the tiers to come tumbling down all because of "due to increasing demand of broadband use." They'll choose the high profitability of leveraging price over the cost-demanding infrastructure buildout to try to keep pace with demand, then just leave those high prices in place should bandwidth supply ever catch up with bandwidth demand.

This is the #1 flaw in the dream of everything being stored in some distant cloud- the middlemen love your dream because of how profitable it will be... not for Apple, but for the owners of links between you and the NC iCloud.

I don't know. The way the Phone companies are going with LTE they could technically extend it out to home internet. I read somewhere that LTE is capable of speeds that will blow the current cable company's speeds away.

I know wikipedia is not the best source, but have a read for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

Scroll down to LTE Advanced. If that's true then we've just introduced 2 more ISP's to the market, with Verizon and AT&T, increasing the competition and lowering prices.

 

[KnightWRX]

I don't know. The way the Phone companies are going with LTE they could technically extend it out to home internet. I read somewhere that LTE is capable of speeds that will blow the current cable company's speeds away.

I know wikipedia is not the best source, but have a read for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

Scroll down to LTE Advanced. If that's true then we've just introduced 2 more ISP's to the market, with Verizon and AT&T, increasing the competition and lowering prices.

Canadian Cellphone carriers already offer home Internet over 3G. It's capped to all hell and expensive. It's not going to get cheaper and the caps aren't going to grow to meet increased demand, just like the cable providers keep raising the price and keep the caps artificially low.

actually most people consider June to be the summer. form june til august.... then september is autumn....

Most people are wrong then. Summer starts on the Summer solstice, June 21st and ends with the Autumn (or Fall if you prefer) Equinox, on September 22nd or 23rd depending on the year.

This is elementary school stuff. If people are getting it wrong, then a little education could do no harm.

 

[KnightWRX]

double.

 

[Cougarcat]

whatd you guys think? i plan to buy my new macbook pro next weekend but i want lion. if i buy the macbook pro do you think theyd give me lion for free or discounted because i would have just gotten it? also what is the price of the os. i definitely cant wait till september if thats what theyre planning

See what happens tomorrow. Nobody knows the price of the OS. If they do announce a release date, you'll be able to get the upgrade for $10 shipped, or maybe a free redeem code via the App Store.

 

[Žalgiris]

It's also the future as the owners of the broadband pipes continue to consolidate down to duopolies & monopolies. Along with higher speeds at "rape" pricing, expect the tiers to come tumbling down all because of "due to increasing demand of broadband use." They'll choose the high profitability of leveraging price over the cost-demanding infrastructure buildout to try to keep pace with demand, then just leave those high prices in place should bandwidth supply ever catch up with bandwidth demand.

This is the #1 flaw in the dream of everything being stored in some distant cloud- the middlemen love your dream because of how profitable it will be... not for Apple, but for the owners of links between you and the NC iCloud.

I'm happy my village just skipped all this bs and went optic top to bottom. With 100 USD i can pay for 4 months at 100 Mbps worldwide data with no caps of any kind.

 

[ldellx3]

im freakin out i cant wait until tomorrow

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I don't know. The way the Phone companies are going with LTE they could technically extend it out to home internet. I read somewhere that LTE is capable of speeds that will blow the current cable company's speeds away.

I know wikipedia is not the best source, but have a read for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

Scroll down to LTE Advanced. If that's true then we've just introduced 2 more ISP's to the market, with Verizon and AT&T, increasing the competition and lowering prices.

right but looking at wireless pricing, you'd be comparing current concept like $25 for 2GB vs. around $50 for around 250GB (for now... but not remaining at 250GB for long). Expect LTE to cost more than 3G, probably both in pricing plans and in shrinking tier cutoffs. After all, who you going to switch to and get a better deal if there are only 2 real players in the space (neither of which having any reason to battle on price)?

The dream of storing everything in a distant cloud and the trends of profit-hungry bandwidth keepers are on a collision course. It will not end well for us users... except for those of us that don't have to care about their monthly bandwidth spend.

 

[shandyman]

Most people are wrong then. Summer starts on the Summer solstice, June 21st and ends with the Autumn (or Fall if you prefer) Equinox, on September 22nd or 23rd depending on the year.

This is elementary school stuff. If people are getting it wrong, then a little education could do no harm.

thanks for confirming i'm right, june is the beginning of summer and autumn being from september, just like i said.........

so you were quite condescending and didn't read what i said....

plus only you are quibbling on specific dates in the month being the start of summer, if apple do release on 14th of june, then they obviously will consider it summer....

 

[KnightWRX]

thanks for confirming i'm right, june is the beginning of summer and autumn being from september, just like i said.........

You said June 14th was summer... It's still wrong, unlike what you said. That's 7 days prior to summer and still quite spring 2011. Did you even read my post ?

Or are you one of those people who wasn't taught about Solstices and Equinoxes ?

If Apple ships Lion on the 14th of June, they are shipping early from what Steve said. June 14th is Spring 2011. He said Summer 2011. My comment still stands.

 

[Dcuellar]

Canadian Cellphone carriers already offer home Internet over 3G. It's capped to all hell and expensive. It's not going to get cheaper and the caps aren't going to grow to meet increased demand, just like the cable providers keep raising the price and keep the caps artificially low.

Well, that sucks for us if it is true.

TBH I'm getting tired of paying so much for the 40Mbps. The only reason why I do it is because I'm using Subsonic to access my music and videos on the road. In reality, not only am I paying an extra 30 bucks for that, but also the electricity associated with keeping my computer on all the time. If Apple is truly offering a cloud using their own servers and it is less than 30 bucks a month (for the amount of storage I need) then I'm sold and will be downgrading my home internet.

 

[KnightWRX]

Well, that sucks for us if it is true.

TBH I'm getting tired of paying so much for the 40Mbps. The only reason why I do it is because I'm using Subsonic to access my music and videos on the road. In reality, not only am I paying an extra 30 bucks for that, but also the electricity associated with keeping my computer on all the time. If Apple is truly offering a cloud using their own servers and it is less than 30 bucks a month (for the amount of storage I need) then I'm sold and will be downgrading my home internet.

40 Mbps is quite overkill for music streaming at requires at most 320 Kbps of bandwidth.

In these parts, there are tons of DSL providers that offer cheap 5 Mbps service with very high caps. We're talking 30$ a month type stuff here. It's plenty to stream music.

 

[shandyman]

You said June 14th was summer... It's still wrong, unlike what you said. That's 7 days prior to summer and still quite spring 2011. Did you even read my post ?

Or are you one of those people who wasn't taught about Solstices and Equinoxes ?

If Apple ships Lion on the 14th of June, they are shipping early from what Steve said. June 14th is Spring 2011. He said Summer 2011. My comment still stands.

Actually i think you'll find i didn't specify June 14th, i just said June, look at my post again:

actually most people consider June to be the summer. form june til august.... then september is autumn....

Oh look, i just said June.....

i probably was taught it, but i'm not anal retentive like some people and i have other more important things to remember. as i said, people generally consider the whole month of june as the start of summer, not the 21st or whatever, just look at the newspapers, tv news, etc for prime examples. I highly doubt people at apple go and look up equinoxes and solstices when picking out whether they will say spring or summer...... Apple will not quibble over a week, unlike you....

 

[macnisse]

Wow, that old video was inspirational! Steve sure is a visionary man for his

 

[KnightWRX]

Actually i think you'll find i didn't specify June 14th, i just said June, look at my post again:
Oh look, i just said June.....

Look, you were replying to my post that said June 14th was Spring, saying no, it is summer. So in the context of the reply, you were wrong.

It's not about being anal retentive, it's about not distorting facts. Like I said, a little education saves you a lot of embarrassment. I think you just like to argue. This is the second time you've jumped all over me with trivial non-sense and failed to admit you were wrong when proven so.

Your first reply to me was wrong in the context it was made. Apple shipping on June 14th means they are shipping in the Spring. End of story.

And "Oh look, I just said June" was also quite condescending, so please refrain from being a Pot and calling the kettle black. I was not condescending in my posts, I do think that people who don't know about Solstices and Equinoxes lack very basic knowledge about the flow of seasons, which is basically kid's stuff.

 

[Cougarcat]

If Apple ships Lion on the 14th of June, they are shipping early from what Steve said. June 14th is Spring 2011. He said Summer 2011. My comment still stands.

SL also shipped a bit early.

In my mind, what makes this date dubious is not that it's not summer, it's that it would only give developers a week with the GM, at a time when many of them will be attending WWDC, not testing their apps.

 

[Sackvillenb]

Could be cool, depending on exactly how this is implemented... I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

 

[ESabis]

Side question not about Time Capsule

I went the NAS route a few years ago and, like other posters have gotten tired of its unreliability. So this new TimeCapsule might be a good option for our home.

Unlike the rest of you, I haven't been following Apple since 1997 so it was really neat to see that old WWDC1997 video in this post.

Here's my question. At about the 58:40 mark, there is a gentleman asking a question who sounds a whole lot like Jonathan Ive. Am I wrong?

 

[Dcuellar]

40 Mbps is quite overkill for music streaming at requires at most 320 Kbps of bandwidth.

In these parts, there are tons of DSL providers that offer cheap 5 Mbps service with very high caps. We're talking 30$ a month type stuff here. It's plenty to stream music.

Well, I don't have only music. I have a lot of my blu-rays backed up on my computer. I have a total of 4TB of media in my library. The download speed really isn't what is important, it's the upload speed that matters if your streaming from home using your own computer as the server.

 

[jhende7]

This would be so much better

My hesitation with iCloud this whole time has been it's reliance on IP bandwidth (of which I have a ridiculously low cap). It seemed impractical to store my stuff in "the cloud" ie Apples servers, as I would burn through that precious bandwidth in no time. But if everything is hosted locally, that totally alleviates the issue when accessing my stuff at home.

I think the main draw of icloud, won't be accessing it offsite, but using it around the house to keep all your Macs in sync ( and it's a match made in heaven for the MBAs)

This would be a much more appealing iCloud for me *fingers crossed*

 

[KnightWRX]

SL also shipped a bit early.

In my mind, what makes this date dubious is not that it's not summer, it's that it would only give developers a week with the GM, at a time when many of them will he attending WWDC, not testing their apps.

Unless Apple is planning not making a public GM release to their registered developers this time around. However, what makes this date even more dubious is the various reports that even the latest developer preview isn't quite polished and ship ready yet.

I'm thinking we'll see it in August, same as Snow Leopard.

Well, I don't have only music. I have a lot of my blu-rays backed up on my computer. I have a total of 4TB of media in my library. The download speed really isn't what is important, it's the upload speed that matters if your streaming from home using your own computer as the server.

And the bitrate of your media is what is important. How are your blu-rays ripped ? Because 40 Mbps is not sufficient to stream a full quality blu-ray (with video VBR rates up to 50 Mbps, that's without audio, which is lossless and thus very high bitrate too). If you're doing 10 Mbps video with 320 Kbps compressed audio rips, technically a 15 Mbps upload home connection is sufficient for even video streaming.

The DSL providers I'm talking about here offer 5 Mbps up/down, again plenty if all you're going is music.

 

[iRobby]

Look, you were replying to my post that said June 14th was Spring, saying no, it is summer. So in the context of the reply, you were wrong.

It's not about being anal retentive, it's about not distorting facts. Like I said, a little education saves you a lot of embarrassment. I think you just like to argue. This is the second time you've jumped all over me with trivial non-sense and failed to admit you were wrong when proven so.

Your first reply to me was wrong in the context it was made. Apple shipping on June 14th means they are shipping in the Spring. End of story.

And "Oh look, I just said June" was also quite condescending, so please refrain from being a Pot and calling the kettle black. I was not condescending in my posts, I do think that people who don't know about Solstices and Equinoxes lack very basic knowledge about the flow of seasons, which is basically kid's stuff.

the fight over Summer continues... stay tuned