Sideloading apps meaning more cracked apps and less money for the developers just like what's happening on Android.Yay! Give the consumers what they deserve! It really is a win/win for everyone. It’s time developers get paid real money + incentives. (For their hard work, creating/developing/innovative the apps).
This number could be a lot higher! FACTS!!!
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this seems to be a common refrain from those who support forced side-loading.Then don't use third party app stores.
If Walmart and its next-biggest competitor had the market share Google's Play Store and Apple's App store have, they should.Will the government next force Walmart to allow Target to advertise their own products and install their own cash registers in Walmart stores?
The security of iOS is from the sandboxing model, not the App Store. In fact, you can technically already side load- it’s just difficult.
The sandbox walls will degrade by degrees. I’m not saying its a bad thing or a good thing. I do think it is an inevitable thing.Third party app stores ≠ breaking the sandbox rules on iOS
Great! Maybe now Apple will finally start innovating again rather than nickel-and-diming their way to profitability.
If the current situation is so compelling, why are they screaming to get out?And people keep making this silly argument.
Do you honestly believe that if developers could sell their apps outside of Apple's app store that they'd completely abandon the Apple app store and miss out on the opportunity to reach the 1.65 billion plus iOS users?
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The sandbox walls will degrade by degrees. I’m not saying its a bad thing or a good thing. I do think it is an inevitable thing.
I was replying to somebody specifically about the Indie games example and it being optional.
The reality is people probably will leave Apple’s App Store if it is not a compelling offering.
Do you realize what you were saying there?
You’re advocating for Apple’s store offering to not have to compete on the merits.
It’s time for this to be a competitive landscape.
Nothing like this would even be happening if they weren’t gouging people right now...and refusing all change (for money)
Oh believe me, I am not for that too. These two things will be the death of Apple for me. Why I choose Apple over both Windows and Android will now no longer exist.I would love to hear people say they don't want this because it makes iOS less secure, but allowing Apple to scan your images and messages and possibly upload them to the government, that's OK 😂😂
If the current situation is so compelling, why are they screaming to get out?And people keep making this silly argument.
Do you honestly believe that if developers could sell their apps outside of Apple's app store that they'd completely abandon the Apple app store and miss out on the opportunity to reach the 1.65 billion plus iOS users?
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Sideloading app to iOS devices is possible today.Any system that allows 3rd party app stores or side loading is a vector for attacks.
And free provisioning is severely limited by Apple (arbitrarily) to a few days, apps, devices.In fact, you can technically already side load- it’s just difficult.
Seriously. People make the market too narrow to just satisfy their own argument. If Apple has a monopoly, then so does Google. So does Playstation. So does Windows. So does macOS. I can't use Swift for Windows Forms development on Windows! I MUST use .NET to create such an app so Microsoft must have a monopoly on apps!Interesting to see the change in sentiment in the comments given the recent controversy with csam scanning.
Personally, I’m against it. Android already allows sideloading of apps so there is consumer choice to not use Apple devices. Seeing the garbage lumped onto storefronts like Steam, feature-barren stores like Epic, and datamining-at-all-costs like Facebook and many other examples makes drawn to Apples “walled garden approach”.
If Android did not exist, then I would change my mind.
The presence of a security flaw is a security flaw. Even if you have it disabled. There will be exploits that will bypass this and give you a side-loaded app even if you have it disabled.Then keep using the apple app store and let us have the alternatives. Still win/win!
It is a competitive landscape
Uhh yes it can? My grandmother has a Jitterbug. She cannot install Microsoft Word on it. I guess we need to take Jitterbug to court forcing them to create an App Store?That's a specious argument and you know it.
Apple sold you a phone.
This means that Apple can't control your phone and what you install.
To all those cheering for what they see as "the end of Apple's control" and shouting "finally, it's happening!"
Keep in mind this is bill written and sponsored by two Representatives in the House. On average a bill has about a 7% chance of becoming law. So for all the hype this gets, it almost certainly will never come to pass.
You can track progress here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?text=open+app#sort=relevance&sponsor=412490
This is just government stepping in way too far. They have no business forcing Apple to make a product this way. Competition exists with Android. This is what the free market is for. If developers are so frustrated with Apple, then only have Android Apps. Apple will either change or let the iPhone die. Developers trying to strongarm government to make a law like this is like a child crying to their mom about something.It’s coming! I’ve been saying for years that it’s just a matter of time before the hammer drops, and a government somewhere on the planet changes the law to clarify the terms and conditions of online App Stores. I think the consumer should have choice. No one is forcing any consumer to ever use a store besides the main Apple App store. But for those who would like choice, that option should exist. iPhones aren’t free, and the option to install apps from anywhere exists on the Mac, so why not the iPhone which runs a version of the macOS kernel?
Who is Apple, a distant company in California, to restrict otherwise legal trade between a willing seller of an App and a willing purchaser?? In so doing, Apple has the sole ability to collect rents and fees from in-app purchases on its platform, and everyone else is locked out. Why? This is really the long and the short of it. There should be more competition in the App Store operator market, not less. If a developer is willing to take on the cost and risk of offering an in app payment service, why should they be restricted from doing so?
Agreed. Apple should just not have to support it or issues with it. Basically, you turn that feature on, they don't have provide OS support. Makes sense.This is great. If you don’t wanna install from a third party App Store or don’t wanna sideload, then just don’t do it.
Agreed. Apple should just not have to support it or issues with it. Basically, you turn that feature on, they don't have provide OS support. Makes sense.
Lol, the irony of that quote, coming from Ted Cruz.But moreover, like Ted Cruz said on the Senate floor the other day about crypto, people shouldn't be making laws about things they don't fully understand.