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New Video Explores Possibility of Touch ID in Fifth-Generation iPad

norisq said:
You're not required to use the touchID feature to unlock your phone, that's true.

But if Apple says they only save the data of the scanner inside the phone and you don't believe them that, why do you believe them they wouldn't scan your finger, just because you said you don't want the feature?

Not putting your finger on the home button is not an option, is it?
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Good lord. Wear a glove when you use your device.

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Jetson said:
Finally, somebody who gets it :)
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I never touch the home button with my finger. I always use my knuckle....just to be safe.

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senseless said:
The fingerprint sensor could be valuable security for students. It's a lot less incentive for thieves to steal a locked out Ipad.
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I agree. It's a simple security (granted...not government level) and I'm finding it incredibly convenient.
 
Jetson said:
If Apple makes the sensor ID a standard feature on every new iPad then it would NOT be an option.

What's so hard to understand about this?

The idea that we don't have to use it does not make it an option - the hardware would STILL have the sensor ID.
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you would have the option of not buying an ipad then if the touch id sensor is on it. I think that the market is showing though that a majority of consumers would like it, so if you're Apple, I'd think you would cater to the majority who would spend billions on your products. I would imagine that making two different models of the new ipad that the difference only is the sensor would be a headache for both apple and its retailers.
 
belltree said:
Agreed 100%. No thanks on sensor ID. If included in IOS devices going forward I am done with them or worst case I would put a sticker over the button but I would rather simply not financially reward for features I do not want.
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Oh please, get over it. If you think you can easily jump ship from Apple because they are adding fingerprint sensors to their products and possibly all of their products in the near future then whatever company you switch to without fingerprint sensors will be temporary. You can count on that. Once the idea becomes widely successful on Apple their competitors will follow suit copying the idea and implementing it on their devices. Oh BTW, you can buy the 5C. No fingerprint sensor That should end your rant......but it probably won't. :)

Isn't it interesting that Samsung's GS4 is now being introduced in a Gold option after Apple's successful Gold iPhone 5S launch? Why didn't Samsung just offer it before hand? ;)
 
Do you really need to go through this process to deduce that the next generation Ipads will have finger scanner?

I love it when he says " I decided to dissect my Iphone 5 S...GOLD". what a creature of futility, Im sure the gold will work best!!!!!

I can understand some halfwits having a penchant for gold but he is a techie
 
simonmet said:
No, that video shows someone successfully mapping banana peel as a fingerprint!
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That's also what I originally thought, but it doesn't:
Lee also demonstrates the sensor's "sub-epidermal" scanning by registering a banana peel but demonstrating that the phone would only scan the peel and unlock his 5S if his finger was behind it. "More to the point, it would only unlock if the same finger was behind it in roughly the same orientation that it was registered," he noted.
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belltree said:
Agreed 100%. No thanks on sensor ID. If included in IOS devices going forward I am done with them or worst case I would put a sticker over the button but I would rather simply not financially reward for features I do not want.
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You do realize that you can turn off the Touch ID feature? Samsung announced that they are going to have a Touch ID like feature so you may find your choices going forward getting more limited. I think you are going to find this type of feature on more and more devices, Apple and other companies. I would not be surprised if Touch ID starts turning up on Apple computers (laptops and desktops).
 
Jetson said:
Sensor ID should only be offered as an option.

I don't trust this technology that gathers biometric data. Currently we have no idea or control on what apps do with our data. Apple shows little interest in providing consumers protections against potential data theft, unless someone like Senator Al Franken brings pressure to bear.

We've already seen that some apps would clandestinely transmit contacts and location data to third party sites without users' permission.

We also KNOW that Apple has been sending our data to the NSA.

Sure, Apple assures us that fingerprint data is not stored or sent to the cloud, etc. That and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee.

I don't want or need a sensor ID.
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If you are concerned about it, you can skip on the feature. If you think it might be secretly taking your fingerprint anyway, put a sticker over it.

Heck, even if you wanted to use it, but didn't want your fingerprints involved, people have noted that it works with the heel of your hand, elbow, or any other body part too.

I have to say though, it's a strange slice of paranoia to be bothered so much about fingerprints when the device itself is tracking and recording all your movements, all of your Internet access, and all of your communications, in order to be spied upon later or even in real time.

To me, the latter part would seem to be the much more egregious violation of our privacy, but then again I've already been fingerprinted half a dozen times for background checks and job requirements.
 
On the video and the "gold" thing: there's a certain appeal-by-horror aspect I've noticed in a lot of this sort of thing. The actual information is one thing, but some people are also pulled in by seeing something valuable and hard to get (5s being expensive, and gold the hardest to find) risked or destroyed, whether because they like it or are outraged by it.

It reminds me of when the Powermac G5 had just been released and someone put up a page describing how they gutted one for the case and built a different computer inside. Doing that *now* would just be a curiosity; doing it when the machine destroyed was brand new and highly expensive quite another.

There's a bit of this even in the video in another thread here where someone's drop-testing the iPhone 5S and 5C, even in the drops that don't end badly.

"The NSA already has access to [x] data. It's doesn't make sense to protect this anymore"
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So, what's wrong with that logic? You cannot possibly stop them from getting data they *already have*. So there's no point in worrying over their getting it.

And yes, sane people who like to worry over such things would be far more concerned with the cameras and microphones, particularly since the only reason you know when they're on is that the software chooses to tell you.
 
UnfetteredMind said:
Found the review with the video that shows him scanning his print through a folded over banana peel:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/0...-apple-lays-groundwork-for-a-brighter-future/
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It isn't reading the finger print through the banana peel, its reading the actual banana peel. If you were to fold it differently and use a different part of the peel it wouldn't unlock. The video is showing all the different things that can be used to unlock it, finger, toe, tomato, banana peel, etc.
 
Jetson said:
If Apple makes the sensor ID a standard feature on every new iPad then it would NOT be an option.

What's so hard to understand about this?

The idea that we don't have to use it does not make it an option - the hardware would STILL have the sensor ID.
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Forget the paranoia angle for a moment. Pretend you're talking with Tim Cook. Make the business case for why Apple should offer yet another variation of the iPhone 5S (and, eventually, the iPad, the iPad mini, and the cheaper iPhone after the iPhone 6 comes out – and would you want it as an option for every color and storage-capacity variation?) for that tiny percentage of buyers who don't believe that turning off the fingerprint ID feature actually turns it off.

Think about it: If Apple really is collecting biometric data for the NSA and lying about it, then why would they offer an optional version of the iPhone that doesn't allow them to collect this data – especially when the people who would buy it (people who are suspicious of the goverment) are among the people the NSA would most want to track? And if Apple really isn't collecting biometric data for the NSA and lying about it, then the costs of offering yet another variation of the iPhone would be too high, and Apple would lose money – unless you're willing to pay a premium for a version without the ID sensor.
 
Jetson said:
If Apple makes the sensor ID a standard feature on every new iPad then it would NOT be an option.

What's so hard to understand about this?

The idea that we don't have to use it does not make it an option - the hardware would STILL have the sensor ID.
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Yes, you are technically correct. What I'm saying is that USING it is optional.
Are you afraid you might accidentally set it up and use it if you have it? Your argument is completely illogical. While never using something is not technically the same as not having it to begin with, in all practicality it amounts to the same thing. Tell me why I'm wrong.
 
Prince Akeem said:
Exactly. I am amazed to see how someone (even just slightly) concerned about privacy aspects around TouchID, gets totally burned down right here on this forum. We know that today's iPhone 5S doesn't store the actual fingerprint-image itself. That's not the point. The point is the ability and trend to use more and more personal (e.g. contacts, location, habits etc.) and biometric data. The potential ability of a highly connective device like an iPhone, to send data over at any point in future.

The fact that it's more difficult to protect privacy these days, doesn't mean you totally have to give up on it!

A lot of people tend to think short term. Most of the times, you hear the same default reactions, like:
  • "I've got nothing to hide, so why should I be concerned?"
  • "Why bother that some companies and governments collect our personal data and habbits, only criminals should be worried"
  • "The NSA already has access to [x] data. It's doesn't make sense to protect this anymore"

All may sound legit, but to those people: think further. The real problem is not that you don't mind that the current government (or company) has free access to you all your digital communication logs and other stuff like your personal dairy on Facebook. The problem is, that you don't know what's going to happen with this data in future.

That you happen to like a company (and it's terms and conditions) right now, doesn't mean that you like them at any point in future. Same with governments. That you trust your government right now, doesn't mean any future governments will have the same intentions. At any point, a party owning personal data may turn against you in whatever imaginable way, even if you feel you have nothing to hide right now. To some, that may sound evil, crazy or paranoid, but face it: it happened countless of times in the past.

So, all in all most of us here are probably gadget freaks. We enjoy using (and if you can, creating) new technologies wherever possible. But for lots of things you still actually have a choice in protecting your privacy or not.

I hope this may open some eyes here :)
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These are valid points, but covertly gathering fingerprints from that relatively small segment of the population that buys iPhone 5S's (and, later, I assume, iPads) doesn't seem like an efficient way of collecting biometric data. Add to that the fact that the NSA would somehow have to coerce Apple into colluding with them, and that nobody within Apple would ever blow the whistle. If I were head of the NSA, I'd try to find a way to pass a law mandating that biometirc data be collected when you get or renew your driver's license, get your Social Security card, register to vote, file for unemployment, or go through some other legal rite of passage – all in the name of thwarting terrorists and crminals, and keeping illegal aliens out of the country. In a couple of generations, most people would accept this as a normal part of life. So I'm not going to worry about using the fingerprint ID feature on my iDevices.
 
Ubele said:
If I were head of the NSA, I'd try to find a way to pass a law mandating that biometirc data be collected when you get or renew your driver's license, get your Social Security card, register to vote, file for unemployment, or go through some other legal rite of passage – all in the name of thwarting terrorists and crminals, and keeping illegal aliens out of the country. In a couple of generations, most people would accept this as a normal part of life. So I'm not going to worry about using the fingerprint ID feature on my iDevices.
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I'd forgotten about it, but unless something's changed in the last few years, in Georgia at least you *do* have to submit fingerprints to get a driver's license. Also, some banks require them to cash checks for non-customers. Both much more convenient and more nearly universal sources than the contents of an iPhone.
 
Everthing seems 'touchy'

When Apple reckons it's got a good thing, we really go 'all out'

Just image, all Apple products having TouchID, including Mac laptops/desktops, and then the following day, someone cracks it.

Not spoof it, like what's already been done, but an actual by-pass.

Pandemonium !!
 
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