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Apple won't have a monopoly. You're forgetting about Bluetooth, which as I understand it, is what they would prefer people to use instead of wired headphones. You can get pretty inexpensive BT headphones today, so I think a lot of people will do that. Also, dont rule out Apple including an adapter for this model to ease the transition.

As I mentioned before, Apple doesn't care about these puddly adapters. Your point makes no sense - if they do this incosiderately, they will just make their own products less desirable and their services harder to enjoy. Both of these markets are far more critical to Apple right now. If, as seems likely, there is a transition, I expect for them to try to make it as simple as possible so as not to hinder efforts to sell more devices or Apple Music subscriptions.
They will have a monopoly on who makes wired headphones and headphone adapters. That is a fact.

Bluetooth quality is crap compared to wired as well. It will get better in the next 2-3 years with Bluetooth 5 etc but as of right now...no thanks
 
Also, dont rule out Apple including an adapter for this model to ease the transition. If, as seems likely, there is a transition, I expect for them to try to make it as simple as possible so as not to hinder efforts to sell more devices or Apple Music subscriptions.

Did Apple release an adapter for their Macbook 12 to ease the transition? Nope, instead they stiffed everybody for nigh 80 bucks to have some kind of connectivity! Other manufacturers (Samsung, Asus, Sony, etc.) however want to keep their customers happy and throw in all kinds of adapters and pouches as a nice extra to show their appreciation!

We will see, maybe, just maybe Apple will show how much they care about the consumers too...maybe...possibly...kinda doubt it tho
 
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Some more photos posted at different angles:

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/iphone-7-vs-iphone-6s-photos-114689/

Someone on twitter pointed out, the lightning port slightly protrudes and looks like black rubber of some sort? Looks un-apple like in that regard. Maybe to waterproof it?

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So i'm guessing this is a big deal for you thats fine and I get that given the reasons you have stated. You sticking with the iphone then long term with your current phone or looking at other options?

I'll stick with my 6s for at least another year unless there is a must have feature with the upcoming phone this fall.
 
I know, my point is...It IS up to Apple. You said "if it were put to Apple they would...". The market doesn't determine what comes next with smartphones. Apple does. Apple tells the world what it wants, before the world even knows it wants it.
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It already hasn't been the best iPhone for nearly a year. Nice try though.

Yes, i know.
But is the tech available yet?is it cheap enough not to eat into margins? And apple never trews more than one thing at the consumers at the same time. Look at all the reactions about the headphone jack. Apple is about steady bringing new features and changes these days.
 
Only apple fans can consider getting rid of the headphpne jack as a feature.

Fact - we cn already have lightning headphones, but almost noone makes them because:

1. No demand.
2. Companies dont want to pay royaly fees when they dont have to.

Apple simply want to create a way to make more money from the license fees, and sell more wireless beats.

Who the hell is calling this a feature and why are you taking their word instead of the majority of Apple fans who oppose this decision by Apple?
 
I'm the biggest disser of the 6 series, if I like this 7 or whatever it's called then it can't be that bad. The little touches are a huge improvement over the abomination that is the 6 series. A camera centered on radius alone is a huge design improvement. The antenna lines. Better battery, improved camera.
I'm glad I skipped the 6 and 6s.

You may be tempted 'not to skip' next year's iPhone.
 
Who the hell is calling this a feature and why are you taking their word instead of the majority of Apple fans who oppose this decision by Apple?

I'd love to see the stats from that survey.

The only one I've seen shows a large percentage of Apple customers don't care whether the headphone jack is removed or not.
 
I never get watermarks on leaked pictures. Do they think they will become the Bieber of the photo leak underground.
 
I'd love to see the stats from that survey.

The only one I've seen shows a large percentage of Apple customers don't care whether the headphone jack is removed or not.

Based off your previous posts in the past on the removal of the Headphone jack and on how 'Pointless' it would be for Apple to remove the 3.5 Jack, and 'There is no real stereo sound from dual speakers', I have one question for you, how does it make you feel reality is setting in the possibility of the extra speaker now?

Appears Apple does not share your values regarding the implication of stereo speakers. I can only imagine your Apple bashing posts on here once this rumor is confirmed. Stay tuned.
 
I'm less excited about Lightning headphones and more excited about other things.
  • Better waterproofing - wonder will they advertise this like Samsung, or will it just be quietly 'how it is'.
  • slightly bigger battery, combined with the a10 chip focusing on efficiency improvements should lead to the best battery life in any iPhone so far.
  • room for better (2 x?) speakers. The Macbook 12" has ridiculously good sound for it's size, same tech?
  • More focus/push to Bluetooth - wired headphones are fine for your laptop in the house, but when walking about with a phone in your pocket wired headphones absolutely suck. Everyone knows it, and I think in a decade, it will be a case of 'how did we every put up with that'. If apple release a nice set of BT earpods it would help spur this on. (i don't want beats!)
 
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you are tired and boring. Industry standards mean nothing to me. Apple creates industry standards. 1 billion iOS devices. Who is in control? Not the rest of the market I can promise you that
There are probably 10's of billions of devices out there in the wild that use headphones that are not IOS or built by Apple. I would contest the majority of Apple devices still in operation do not have an lightning connector, but 100% of them will have a headphone jack.
 
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There are probably 10's of billions of devices out there in the wild that use headphones that are not IOS or built by Apple. I would contest the majority of Apple devices still in operation do not have an lightning connector, but 100% of them will have a headphone jack.
None of this is true.

Apple devices with Lightning surpassed 30 pin years ago. By the time the 5s reached maturity they had already sold more iPhone 5 and 5s than all 30 pin devices ever sold (including iPods!!) combined. The fact that you'd even make that assumption shows how little you know.

The world does not care about the headphone jack.

The iPhone doesn't need 3 different ways to connected headphones. 2 will suffice.
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Look at all the reactions about the headphone jack.
What reactions? I don't see anything but the same old typical boring commentary from the same old crowd that complains about camera bumps and antenna lines and anything else they can think of to complain about.

The real market is not this place. Or these people. The real market doesn't care.
 
None of this is true.

Apple devices with Lightning surpassed 30 pin years ago. By the time the 5s reached maturity they had already sold more iPhone 5 and 5s than all 30 pin devices ever sold (including iPods!!) combined. The fact that you'd even make that assumption shows how little you know.

The world does not care about the headphone jack.

The iPhone doesn't need 3 different ways to connected headphones. 2 will suffice.
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What reactions? I don't see anything but the same old typical boring commentary from the same old crowd that complains about camera bumps and antenna lines and anything else they can think of to complain about.

The real market is not this place. Or these people. The real market doesn't care.

No , but the real market needs to get used to some changes. If there is no physical homebutton, people need to adjust for operating iOS 10 without the homebutton. Look at the Apple Watch with the 3D Touch hard press, people thought operation was too complicated.

Apple needs to bring new features like this at a steady rate and with in between steps.
It is the way Apple operates lately.
Look at the Apple TV . They could have made it great with first release. But now we see that this is just the beginning to get app developers and customers to get used to the remote and to get app development going. It is just the first step.
Apple is all about steady development these days.
 
None of this is true.

Apple devices with Lightning surpassed 30 pin years ago. By the time the 5s reached maturity they had already sold more iPhone 5 and 5s than all 30 pin devices ever sold (including iPods!!) combined. The fact that you'd even make that assumption shows how little you know.

The world does not care about the headphone jack.

The iPhone doesn't need 3 different ways to connected headphones. 2 will suffice.
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What reactions? I don't see anything but the same old typical boring commentary from the same old crowd that complains about camera bumps and antenna lines and anything else they can think of to complain about.

The real market is not this place. Or these people. The real market doesn't care.

It's this kind of arrogance that fcked Nokia and BB.. No tech company has been No.1 forever. Remember Apple during the 80's?
 
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It's this kind of arrogance that fcked Nokia and BB.. No tech company has been No.1 forever. Remember Apple during the 80's?
Yes, but those companies were sticking with what they had(blackberry and Nokia), and didn' t do anything new, did not make any steps forward and were too afraid to make changes. And that is really killing for a company.

Nobody knows what Apple' s master plan is. Or they don' t have one yet. But they seem to want to be everywhere. Wrist, smart home, tv , car, etc.
Nokia and blackberry weren't going anywhere. Just phones, that' s it.
 
None of this is true.

Apple devices with Lightning surpassed 30 pin years ago. By the time the 5s reached maturity they had already sold more iPhone 5 and 5s than all 30 pin devices ever sold (including iPods!!) combined. The fact that you'd even make that assumption shows how little you know.

The world does not care about the headphone jack.

The iPhone doesn't need 3 different ways to connected headphones. 2 will suffice.
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What reactions? I don't see anything but the same old typical boring commentary from the same old crowd that complains about camera bumps and antenna lines and anything else they can think of to complain about.

The real market is not this place. Or these people. The real market doesn't care.

What about all the Macs, docks, iPods, iPads MacBooks / Pros that are still used today that do not have a lighting connector, plus there isn't a single Apple product in existence today that doesn't have a headphone jack....seems you know little!
 
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Agreed!

1mm thicker = flush lens, we keep the 3.5mm jack and guess what, we could get more battery life. Sounds good to me, but Apple is on some kind of religious/cult quest to shave fractions of a mm ... I think economists call it the point of diminishing returns.

sir Jony: weight is more important then thinner. the iPhone is heavy like a brick. make it lighter not thinner

the same with fonts: make them thicker not thinner
 
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What about all the Macs, docks, iPods, iPads MacBooks / Pros that are still used today that do not have a lighting connector, plus there isn't a single Apple product in existence today that doesn't have a headphone jack....seems you know little!

Again, most of your better quality headphones will have removable cords. If you want to hook up to a laptop/desktop that only has USB-A ports then you hook up the USB-A cable. If you want to use with an iPhone/iPad you hook up the lightning cable. If you want to hook up to an Android device you hook up the Micro USB or USB-C cable. If you want to hook up to a legacy device you hook up to the 3.5mm cable.

I think the only difference may be Beats headphones might have a lightning port on them, where other companies will probably have a USB-C port on them.

There will probably be some headphones without removable cords that only have a built in lightning connector (most likely the EarPods that come with the iPhone). Those will be good enough for people that only use the headphones with their phone/iPad. There will be a ton of companies that start making cheap ones like this that you will find in most gas stations, supermarket checkout lines, etc right along with the phone chargers and lightning cables for when you are on a trip and your other ones get lost/broken.
 
Again, most of your better quality headphones will have removable cords. If you want to hook up to a laptop/desktop that only has USB-A ports then you hook up the USB-A cable. If you want to use with an iPhone/iPad you hook up the lightning cable. If you want to hook up to an Android device you hook up the Micro USB or USB-C cable. If you want to hook up to a legacy device you hook up to the 3.5mm cable.

Sounds like real progress. Why keep matters simple when we can complicate things?

Can't wait.
 
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Again, most of your better quality headphones will have removable cords. If you want to hook up to a laptop/desktop that only has USB-A ports then you hook up the USB-A cable. If you want to use with an iPhone/iPad you hook up the lightning cable. If you want to hook up to an Android device you hook up the Micro USB or USB-C cable. If you want to hook up to a legacy device you hook up to the 3.5mm cable.

I think the only difference may be Beats headphones might have a lightning port on them, where other companies will probably have a USB-C port on them.

There will probably be some headphones without removable cords that only have a built in lightning connector (most likely the EarPods that come with the iPhone). Those will be good enough for people that only use the headphones with their phone/iPad. There will be a ton of companies that start making cheap ones like this that you will find in most gas stations, supermarket checkout lines, etc right along with the phone chargers and lightning cables for when you are on a trip and your other ones get lost/broken.

I think beats will have one USBc and one Lightning, in the same way some Beats have two 3.5mm adapters. In this way, Beats is universally compatible with USBc equipment (including their own Macs), but also offers a pass through for charging, or friends daisy-chaining off your connection. I'm also expecting them to add a Lightning port to the Macs, so rather than male-to-male Lightning cables, the same USBc-to-Lightning cable used to charge the phone, can be used for the headphones as well (and also the MacBook). And having just one cable to carry around will greatly simplify traveling for most.

But otherwise you pretty much hit he nail on the head.

I also see removable third party hybrid cables for headphones that have several connectors on the end of the cable to address the needs of those who switch between different devices all day long, which solves the problem of keeping track of several different adapters. This is a problem that has come up over and over on these boards, but I find it hard to believe it represents the habits of the majority of headphone users. Most I have seen have one set of headphones that they use with one device on a regular basis, so customers will simply buy the cable that best addresses their needs.

Of course I'm looking forward to BT 5 and whatever other wireless improvements Apple has been working on, because I'm all for cutting the cable, even if it's one more thing I have to charge. And I fully expect Beats wireless headphones to have the same ports so that if I do run out of power, I can plug them into whatever I need to in order to keep listening.

I think what most of the detractors here are overlooking is the reality that audio is going wireless, and most if not all, would prefer that to being tethered by a wire, all things being equal. So as customers increasingly turn wireless, the fallback to cables will be strictly as backup for when the current battery tech fails to last as long as one needs. So cables in the future don't necessarily have to be as easy to use as the 3.5mm Jack has been. But obviously there's no reason they can't be.
 
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Yes, I think it is moving toward wireless. Think back to the patent that I believe was posted on here a while back. You'll have a pair of beats headphones connected to your iPhone/iPad. Either with a lightning->lightning cable, or possibly a lightning->USB-C cable. When using them this way they are using the cable to supply power from the phone to the headphones (or possibly the other way if your phone is low and headphones are fully charged), and the audio is transmitted over the wire for higher quality sound. Then if the wire is accidentally pulled out, or if you unplug the cbale on purpose to use the headphones wirelessly the connection between the iPhone/iPad and the Beats automatically switches over to a bluetooth connection and you keep on listening.

Other headphone manufacturers could operate the same/similar ways depending on how the patent stuff goes.
 
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