New XPS 15 absolutely crushes MBP

[dhw01]

You should like someone who hasn't use Windows for years.

I know that a lot of users here don't like the UI, but the Windows 10 is quite stable and rarely crashes.

It can also run on an old Pentium 4 computer with 1GB of memory.

Win10 is not stable for me..and I use Win10 everyday...

 

[Altis]

I'm sorry to barge in the middle of your discussion, but what exactly puts you in a position to determine who is professional and not? And what needs do professionals have?

That seems to be the heart of the debate. "Pro" isn't an item, it's a task.

I think it's fair to say that a "Pro" item should be the high-performance items within its category, regardless of what it is.

A "Pro" blogger and a "Pro" 3D modeler both use computers, but clearly one needs more power than the other. The "Pro" blogger could use any computer made in the past 5 years and it wouldn't make a difference. But if the blogger uses a 2007 Dell Inspiron, that doesn't mean that computer is worthy of a "Pro" moniker necessarily.

More simply, "Pro" should mean that it is best suited for all high-performance/most demanding tasks for that category of item.

Not saying the new "Pro" is one way or another necessarily. It's just a name, albeit one with some learned expectations attached.

 

[Count Blah]

I'm sorry to barge in the middle of your discussion, but what exactly puts you in a position to determine who is professional and not? And what needs do professionals have?

You are right. No one is complaining, everyone is super happy with the MBP.

 

[aevan]

You are right. No one is complaining, everyone is super happy with the MBP.

A logical fallacy. Some professionals are complaining - so you draw a false conclusion that every professional is not happy with the computer.

I could just as equally claim that true professionals are happy and self-proclaimed professionals are not - that is the same level of childish argumentation.

The truth is, as always, people are different, their needs are different, etc. Some professionals are happy, others need something else.

The only problem is when someone tries to present their views as a general consensus. So, again I ask - what gives you the right to claim only those that are complaining are true professionals and others are not?
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That seems to be the heart of the debate. "Pro" isn't an item, it's a task.

I think it's fair to say that a "Pro" item should be the high-performance items within its category, regardless of what it is.

I understand what you're saying - but high-performance does not equal "the best performance in existence". I would argue that 16Gb RAM is high-performance, you may say that it isn't. And we're back to my dilemma - what gives anyone the right to pick what is and what isn't pro/high performance/whatever.

 

[fs454]

That doesn't help if I get my Macbook Pro from the store tomorrow does it?

That's unreasonable.

 

[leman]

More simply, "Pro" should mean that it is best suited for all high-performance/most demanding tasks for that category of item.

I have to agree with aevan here: high-performance is kind of open-end. Where do we put a limit? Some of the things I do need hundreds of cores and multiple terabytes of RAM. From that perspective, any laptop and in fact, any desktop on the market are a child's toy.

The fact is that the MBP makes probably an optimal compromise given what hardware is available on the market. It offers fastest available CPUs suitable for that chassis and a very competent GPU that is absolutely adequate for content creation or other work — provided the software can utilise the hardware competently. Of course there are people who need more RAM or a faster GPU (in the end, complains about MBP's performance boil down to "I want a faster GPU", but so far I didn't really got a good explanation WHY they need it). But the fact is also that people with those needs should really look into desktop workstations. For instance, you'd need a dual-processor machine with four memory channels to properly take advantage of 32GB or more RAM.

 

[ihatetoregister]

You probably haven't use Windows for years.

I know that a lot of users here don't like the UI, but the Windows 10 is quite stable and rarely crashes.

It can also run on an old Pentium 4 computer with 1GB of memory.

It might be. I'm still using it for gaming though, and I don't like it very much.
And I'm still doing "helpdesk" support for my mother's and my wife`s grandmother's machine so I guess it's still not great

Also, UI is still terrible ( and stuff like the "close button doesn't really close" is just awful ). Outlook and explorer look like a Kafkaian hell

Again, subjective, but to me it's really an issue.
I hope they will soon release another OS that is not Windows, and keep Windows in parrallels for the people who love it / are used to it.

 

[Olganech]

I love how Steve/Apple are always telling me what I need/want. They're actually right most of the time like in this case. Not always, but more often than not. This only happens when you think about user first, not catching up to some unnamed competitor.

I do not want Steve/Apple or any other company telling me what I can or cannot do with a product.

The 130W charger will power a docking station as well as the XPS. They do a standard 90W for those that want one.

That is the thing with Pc OEM's. Choice.

 

[Spudlicious]

I'm afraid the days of knee-jerk dismissal of Windows are past us.

I agree with that, I use Win 10 all the time and think it pretty good. But since when were Apple in the business of competing head-to-head with Windows on price or anything else? We should all be grateful we've still got two viable operating systems, may they both thrive.

 

[maflynn]

That doesn't help if I get my Macbook Pro from the store tomorrow does it?

But the new MBPs are not available for pick up are they? I mean if I ordered one today, I'd be waiting until January 23 - 27th.

Seems like an apples to apples type of thing at this point

 

[Altis]

I understand what you're saying - but high-performance does not equal "the best performance in existence". I would argue that 16Gb RAM is high-performance, you may say that it isn't. And we're back to my dilemma - what gives anyone the right to pick what is and what isn't pro/high performance/whatever.

That's kind of my point. It isn't so much a "right" to pick the name, but a comparison with other products in its class.

I'm sure we can agree that "Pro" implies certain but vague performance expectations.
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I have to agree with aevan here: high-performance is kind of open-end. Where do we put a limit? Some of the things I do need hundreds of cores and multiple terabytes of RAM. From that perspective, any laptop and in fact, any desktop on the market are a child's toy.

The fact is that the MBP makes probably an optimal compromise given what hardware is available on the market. It offers fastest available CPUs suitable for that chassis and a very competent GPU that is absolutely adequate for content creation or other work — provided the software can utilise the hardware competently. Of course there are people who need more RAM or a faster GPU (in the end, complains about MBP's performance boil down to "I want a faster GPU", but so far I didn't really got a good explanation WHY they need it). But the fact is also that people with those needs should really look into desktop workstations. For instance, you'd need a dual-processor machine with four memory channels to properly take advantage of 32GB or more RAM.

Of course it's open-ended. I'd like to emphasize my point about the item category -- the MBP is a portable ultra book. I don't think it's reasonable to expect it to be a supercomputer, or even a desktop.

But if the retina MacBook were instead called the "Pro", it could be a tad misleading, for example.

Ultimately, "Pro" is a task rather than a product, so we're really talking about how people interpret it, and there's no one/right answer for that for sure.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

Not going into who likes what more, or which computer is better, I have to ask: is it really possible that people care only about GPU speeds and RAM amounts?

Or only possible but seemingly prevelant on tech nerd sites, with no thought to software p, user experience and what the machine and software combo does in real life usage.

 

[Ethosik]

But the new MBPs are not available for pick up are they? I mean if I ordered one today, I'd be waiting until January 23 - 27th.
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Seems like an apples to apples type of thing at this point

I didn't order it the day you posted that.

 

[maflynn]

I didn't order it the day you posted that.

I post that this morning, and perhaps I'm confused but you mentioned how the Dell is not a shipping the model in question, but the MBP is available and while technically true, if you ordered both the Dell and MBP, you'll be getting them both nearly the same time. Basically this discussion is comparing apples to apples given the current shipping estimates of the MBP and the release of the Dell. I may sound like I'm picking nits and perhaps to an extent I am. I'm not trying to sound difficult but rather pointing out that I think the comparison is valid at this stage

 

[Ethosik]

I post that this morning, and perhaps I'm confused but you mentioned how the Dell is not a shipping the model in question, but the MBP is available and while technically true, if you ordered both the Dell and MBP, you'll be getting them both nearly the same time. Basically this discussion is comparing apples to apples given the current shipping estimates of the MBP and the release of the Dell. I may sound like I'm picking nits and perhaps to an extent I am. I'm not trying to sound difficult but rather pointing out that I think the comparison is valid at this stage

Why would I compare it with the Dell when I already had ORDERED my Macbook Pro? The Dell was not available. It would not have been available when I got it from the store when I said I would. So why compare it? Is it really a 2,000% performance increase that would have benefited from me canceling my order and WAITING for the Dells to ship?

 

[radus]

The Dell is ( on paper ) as good as the new MacBook Pro and if you don't try to connect it with peripherals it is good enough.

But I could not!! / never connect a Precision 5510 i7 / XPS 15 9550 to a Dell 4k Display UP3214Q nor to my old Thunderbolt 2 / 1 peripherals ( thunderbolt raid and ssd's ) -- all of this work very well with my new late 2016 15" Macbook Pro.
If I need Windows 10 it is on the Mac as good as on every Windows Machine. The battery time on the Macbook Pro is now using the latest system update much much better.

What I miss on the Macbook pro is a touch display and the ability to put in a new ssd or ram.