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Mechcozmo said:Alright, some fun with Photoshop aaaannnndddd....
Credit your sources, teacher always said.
No offense, but that's lame. I think this whole discussion is kind of ridiculous (and I see I'm not the only one). The fact is MS is going to keep an aye on everything apple does and then they implement it after a year or two. That's the way it goes, and that's the way the cookie crumbles, and that's the way aha, aha I like it, aha, aha.
edit. wtf?! I don't like it!! :Q
Timelessblur said:
Apple has no hibernation?? Isn't that hibernation when I put my computer to sleep and it shuts down the fans, the hds, everything. doesn't make any noise, consumes very little power etc.. or are you talking about something else here?
Windowlicker said:
I am talking about something diffence here.
Sleep on a mac is the same thing as standby on windows. Power goes out and you have to do a full restart and reboot. The diffence bettween Sleep/Standy is you ram stays powered. Hibration all the ram is saved to the hard drive and the computer goes ot 0 power useage. I can unplug the computer transported and boot it back up exactly where it was. It a much more helpful thing for laptops than desktops but I have used it on a desktop before when I was going to transport the computer from one room to the next or hell I did it when I took it from home to school and it was unplug and in a box for over 24 hours and it boot up exact where it was. You can not do that on a mac. Their sleep still requires power to keep the ram alive loose power and the ram dies and you loose everything in the ram.
That is the diffences Hibration requires 0 power. Sleep very little power but it still requires power.
Timelessblur said:
Oh, ok. I thought the deep sleep is the same as hibernation
so, when starting the computer from hibernation, does it launch in just a couple of seconds or is it the same as shutting down, but when launching again you have all the same apps open etc?
Windowlicker said:Oh, ok. I thought the deep sleep is the same as hibernation
more time than coming up from sleep less time than a full restarted because when you come out from hibiration the BIOS has to boot up again and it has to go though all those checks. Then it takes a little longer when the BIOS tell tells the OS to load. It is faster than a normal restarted but still a lot slow then coming out of standy/sleep mode. And yes you turn back on the computer everything is exactly how you left when you put it in hibration.
Timelessblur said:
But if you leave some programs open, you can have major issues with them freaking out with different IPs, networks, etc. Sleep on a Mac is better I have found because I don't have to wait the 1-2 minutes to go into hibernation and then the 1-2 minutes coming out. The amount of hard drive spinning that goes into those 2-4 minutes negates the amount of battery power you save while transporting it between classes, etc. For a long period of time, hibernation is better. But I just shut down my Mac in that case and it starts up about as fast as coming out of hibernation and it shuts down FASTER than going into hibernation.
Hibernation is a nice thing, but if the computer slept nicely and started up and shut down quickly..... there is no use for it.
I see Hibernation more as a "Shutdown special" (a la "Paste special" in Excel, haha).
I also see it specially designed for desktops. Whether its because you are moving it, or you want to turn it "off" for sleep, its for the same purpose. You get to leave applications (Word, Pshop, PowerPoint, IE/Firefox, Thunderbird, iTunes) all open, and you can shut it off.
Turning it on again, whether in the same location, or 4 days later, the applications are where you left them. That means no power usage (data stored in hard drive), it also means not having to remember where everything is. Or, better yet, your parents find you gaming (lol), but you have Firefox windows (with multiple tabs) open on research pages.
Screwed? Nah, you can hibernate, saving all of that - and escaping your punishment (hahah).
I also see it specially designed for desktops. Whether its because you are moving it, or you want to turn it "off" for sleep, its for the same purpose. You get to leave applications (Word, Pshop, PowerPoint, IE/Firefox, Thunderbird, iTunes) all open, and you can shut it off.
Turning it on again, whether in the same location, or 4 days later, the applications are where you left them. That means no power usage (data stored in hard drive), it also means not having to remember where everything is. Or, better yet, your parents find you gaming (lol), but you have Firefox windows (with multiple tabs) open on research pages.
Screwed? Nah, you can hibernate, saving all of that - and escaping your punishment (hahah).
Mechcozmo said:
the issues that come up are the same issues that you run into with sleep. Hard drive does not take extra power. I use hibration if I going to have it off for more than 30-40 mins and as critcal low battery alarm because when the computer goes to critcally low battery I dont know how long it will be fore I can get extran power to it. Hibernation is not for short term use it is more for long term use. I would like to see sleep go for 1 month straight with 4% battery left and still be able to boot the computer up with 4% battery.
Apple really needs to add it in to their laptops. For desktop is more or less not needed. It nice when you need to transport the computer but it not a big deal.
Short term sleep is better but for long term (after about 1 hour) hibernation becomes the better battery saver. Now for desktops there no diffences in power draw since the computer is running on the standby power of the PSU which is drawing that power as long as the computer is plug in.
With Win2K, I preferred hibernation from the standpoint that it seemed somewhat more reliable than sleep, for some reason. But after about 1.5 years, my Thinkpad would no longer reliably wake from sleep. Which is interesting, because it was a heavily managed account, and so it wasn't caused by software I installed. It was so managed that one could not install absent MSIE plugins without admin access.
But sleep and hibernation were both more reliable in Win2k than 98, and I understand they're more or less up-to-par in XP. So my reason for hibernate probably has evaporated....
Mechcosmo, is the issue you mentioned true even for XP? I still have limited experience with XP. I did try hibernate on some Win2k PCs in our labs here, but for some reason, the IT people have something set up so that if the PC is hibernated across midnight, it will auto-logout the user, and the system will crash on wake. It works for shorter times (and the system is just locked for the user). But if it sleeps across the midnight hour, you get this cinderella pumpkin effect and everything goes to pot....
But after about 1.5 years, my Thinkpad would no longer reliably wake from sleep. Which is interesting, because it was a heavily managed account, and so it wasn't caused by software I installed. It was so managed that one could not install absent MSIE plugins without admin access. But sleep and hibernation were both more reliable in Win2k than 98, and I understand they're more or less up-to-par in XP. So my reason for hibernate probably has evaporated....
Mechcosmo, is the issue you mentioned true even for XP? I still have limited experience with XP. I did try hibernate on some Win2k PCs in our labs here, but for some reason, the IT people have something set up so that if the PC is hibernated across midnight, it will auto-logout the user, and the system will crash on wake. It works for shorter times (and the system is just locked for the user). But if it sleeps across the midnight hour, you get this cinderella pumpkin effect and everything goes to pot....
Uh, IT people install other junk (namely their own). I thought its some kind of software (ghosting or similar) that simply writes over whatever has been written on the disk.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what accounts mostly for the Cinderella story...and it probably conflicts with hibernation. I never liked when IT people go 1984, but if it stops Joe Schmoe, then I guess its worth it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what accounts mostly for the Cinderella story...and it probably conflicts with hibernation. I never liked when IT people go 1984, but if it stops Joe Schmoe, then I guess its worth it.
Mav451 said:
Oh, of course you're right. And it's their call. With respect to the notebook, I was surprised with how long it was stable (coming up from Win98) without a full ghosting. With respect to the desktops...yeah, I guess so. The problem is that in this case, it doesn't target the Joe Schmoe issues. On these computers (different location, mind you), you *can* install software. And these computers get corrupted like crazy with stuff that gets installed through MSIE loopholes. Well, except the one that only I use. Oddly Firefox and I don't have any issues.
Timelessblur said:
Oh, yes they do. When I don't use many programs, meaning no swapping to the hard drive and I'm not opening and closing a lot of programs, my battery life goes up. That's because the hard drive isn't spinning.
The hard drive is behind the backlight and the processor for energy consumption.
Timelessblur said:
I use sleep if my PowerBook will be off for a day or less. Anything more and I shut it down. I can sleep for a least a day on 0% charge. Haven't tested it longer than that.
I never have had use for it. To each his own, I guess.
Mechcozmo said:
Useful info -- thanks!
It's like the empty light on a gas tank...you start out very cautious and you keep pushing it a little bit. Well, I've engineered those, so I know exactly how they work now, but with the computer batteries I'm not 100% sure. So I'd only let my computer sleep on zero for a half hour or so....not that I really want to push it.
mkrishnan said:It's like the empty light on a gas tank...you start out very cautious and you keep pushing it a little bit. Well, I've engineered those, so I know exactly how they work now, but with the computer batteries I'm not 100% sure. So I'd only let my computer sleep on zero for a half hour or so....not that I really want to push it.
Yeah.... didn't think of it that way, hehe.
My PowerBook has hit 0%, then "Calculating...", and then it went to sleep.
It lasted about a day before I plugged it in. The main thing to realize is that once it hits "Calculating..." you should save all your work just in case you DON'T make it home or to an A/C adapter in time.
This screenshot sort of looks like a MS implemention of Piles or folder labels:
http://winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh_stacks_demo_01.jpg
http://winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh_stacks_demo_01.jpg
This does look mighty familiar..."Type to Search" in top right corner
Only OSX had it since the day it was announced
Only OSX had it since the day it was announced