If everyone starts to get greedy and copy what Epic games is doing, Apple might as well just not bother offering the App Store as a platform anymore tho it would of course be detrimental to the customer experience
It's never enough for money grabbers.
Disagree. iOS wouldn’t be much of anything if it was nothing more than Apple’s first party apps. I think they both enhance each other.But these services being on iOS also makes them a lot of money. Developers need iOS more than iOS needs developers, because of the large pool of users you’re missing out on getting money from with your app. Trust me, I’m a developer, and you really don’t want to miss the 1 billion active iOS device users. Plus, the 30% is fair and is standard across many services. We didn’t ask you to complain for us.
They didn’t. But what’s special about The NY Times iOS app? Does it do/offer something you can’t get on their website?Show me where the App Store and Apple News existed before iOS. I'll wait.
Disagree. The iPhone didn't explode into popularity until the App Store & third party apps came along. Without Apps, be it first or third party, any platform is Dead Platform WalkingDevelopers need iOS more than iOS needs developers,
But... but... I thought Tim gave a sworn statement no developers got preferential treatment?
How can it be SO?
No, they're trying to keep Apple from taking more of their slice...Apparently now everyone is out to get a bigger slice of the Apple pie.
That's so true. I'm actually starting to get embarrassed to be an Apple fan. I feel like I need to wash my mouth out with soap sometimes, it just feels so icky.Apple acts more and more like Microsoft in the 90's.
Apple gets treated more like Microsoft in the 90's.
Change the names around. Wash, rinse, repeat....
It's never enough for money grabbers.
Because this isn’t preferential treatment. This is a deal between companies, similar to how Google pays to be the default search engine. Any developer can try to negotiate a similar deal.
Because this isn’t preferential treatment. This is a deal between companies, similar to how Google pays to be the default search engine. Any developer can try to negotiate a similar deal.
Do you have any clue how ridiculous that sounds? Virtually no developer stands a chance of negotiating better terms with Apple. Only a massive corporation with leverage could make that happen. Suggesting that some mom and pop developer can negotiate with Apple is absurd.
No, the conditions required to obtain such a deal are not known: that's what the publisher want Apple to clarify actually.Isn't it the case that the Prime deal is available to any company under the same conditions (video streaming, integration with TV app etc), and that Apple actually do treat everyone the same?
I know of enough people personally that will buy it anyway they don’t even download 3rd party apps just imagine worldwide is it enough to make a business? Maybe not...Customers might love their iPhones and iPads.
They aren't going to love them very much after you've shut down the App Store.
They aren't going to love Apple very much, when there are competing devices with (Play) Stores.
I for one welcome that domino effect. 10%, maybe even 15% seems reasonable as a share of subscriptions. Developer tools or not, it's not as if Apple was providing much of a recurring service for delivery of news and editorial articles.
Two questionsNo, the conditions required to obtain such a deal are not known: that's what the publisher want Apple to clarify actually.
The request is reasonable: it basically boils down to "we see it's possible to have such a deal: what do we need to offer to obtain it?".
Do you have any clue how ridiculous that sounds? Virtually no developer stands a chance of negotiating better terms with Apple. Only a massive corporation with leverage could make that happen. Suggesting that some mom and pop developer can negotiate with Apple is absurd.
That’s exactly the subject of the thread
if others are denied the same deal, that is preferential treatment. By definition
getting all semantical won’t refute the basic facts and observations
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The idea is that the deal should follow fair, transparent requirements which apply to all developers. Of course Apple can do ad-hoc deals with this or that developer, but doing that would go against their own narrative that they reserve equal treatment to all developers.why publicly? why not do it like amazon did cleverly and silently I guess they might have not wanted it to be publicized but I somehow find it odd...
are they fine with/prepared to get no? Apple was mentioning that this was for streaming services like amazon prime video...
Disagree. The iPhone didn't explode into popularity until the App Store & third party apps came along. Without Apps, be it first or third party, any platform is Dead Platform Walking