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It is a rapidly decreasing market. Many people that bought iPhone 5s did so because it was the newest iPhone and not because it had the perfect screen size. The amougnt of peopel converting to Android because of the larger screen size supports this, as does the increased conversion of Android to iPhone now Iphone is available in larger sizes.

Sure the 4" market is still there, but you are overestimating its size and profitability. As larger screen devices become more commonplace and the small screen market shrinks, it will become more expensive and hence less profitable to produce and sell smaller screened devices.

Just because Apple sold 700M iphones of a small screen size does not mean they will sell more now. The Motorola Razr was one of the most popular phones in history but it would not get sold at all if reintroduced now. Markets change.

Beat me to it and very well put.
 
4" is a proven market though, that's the thing. Every single one of the 700,000,000 iPhones Apple had sold until six months ago had a 4" or smaller screen.

That doesn't prove anything, except that Apple only offered small screens.

In 7 years, post 6 & 6 Plus, they will have sold more 4", and higher, screen phones. Why? Because they will no longer be offering 4", or lower, screened phones.

Apple doesn't, never has, had enough SKUs to determine what you're trying to force people to believe. People in the world want larger screens, if they didn't, we wouldn't be where we are today. If people still wanted Blackberry devices, they wouldn't represent less than 1-3% of the smartphone market. People buy what they want and if someone doesn't make it, they will buy from someone that will.

If you want a tiny screen, find a company that makes one. Plenty of Android OEM's do. You won't get the OS you like but it seems you are stuck more on screen size than the OS.
 
I can pretty much guarantee if Apple sold a 4" iPhone 6S it'd sell as many, if not more than the 5.5" version.

No, you can't. If the market for 4" phones was viable long term they would still be in it, it's as simple as that.
 
Now that right there is an opinion seemingly pulled out of thin air. Your own "market research" would seem to contradict that statement since the 5.5" has outsold the 4" form factor since it came out with the most recent sales data (1Q15F) showing it has picked up the pace with the 6+ outselling the 4S/5C/5S by a hefty margin.


That's not what I said. There's a plethora of specs that separate the 6+ and the 4S/5C/5S aside from screen size so you can't put it down to just that.

Match the specs (aside from screen size) and the 4" would sell like hotcakes. Do you actually seriously think more people want a dinner plate sized phablet than a normal sized phone?
 
No, you can't. If the market for 4" phones was viable long term they would still be in it, it's as simple as that.

Although I absolutely agree with you, Apple has a history of ignoring certain profitable options. It took them years to decide to produce larger iPhones, mostly because Steve Jobs' thumb was not very long.
 
It is a rapidly decreasing market. Many people that bought iPhone 5s did so because it was the newest iPhone and not because it had the perfect screen size. The amount of people converting to Android because of the larger screen size supports this, as does the increased conversion of Android to iPhone now Iphone is available in larger sizes.

Sure the 4" market is still there, but you are overestimating its size and profitability. As larger screen devices become more commonplace and the small screen market shrinks, it will become more expensive and hence less profitable to produce and sell smaller screened devices.

Just because Apple sold 700M iphones of a small screen size does not mean they will sell more now. The Motorola Razr was one of the most popular phones in history but it would not get sold at all if reintroduced now. Markets change.

4" is a rapidly decreasing market because no one is making flagship 4" phones any more.

The manufacturers are artificially shifting the demand.
 
4" is a rapidly decreasing market because no one is making flagship 4" phones any more.

The manufacturers are artificially shifting the demand.

And why do you think they don't make these anymore?

Answer: because most consumers want large screen phones.

As someone said before: if there is a profitable market for small screened phones then a manufacturer will jump in and produce them.

There is not a gentlemen's agreement between all manufacturers to piss off all the consumers that want a 4" phone.
 
And why do you think they don't make these anymore?

Answer: because most consumers want large screen phones.

As someone said before: if there is a profitable market for small screened phones then a manufacturer will jump in and produce them.

There is not a gentlemen's agreement between all manufacturers to piss off all the consumers that want a 4" phone.

Well it seems that way..

It just seems crazy to me that Apple would drop that size altogether rather than incorporate it into the line up.

I really don't want the 5S to be the last iPhone I buy. My hands simply aren't big enough for anything over 4" :(
 
What exactly does that tell you? How many of those millions that purchased a 4" phone did so simply because it was cheaper and would've actually preferred the larger size (just like those that purchased a 6 and not the 6+ may have done so because of cost and would've actually preferred the larger size)? Sales figures do not equal market research.

And how many people are staying on older iPhones because they don't want the iPhone 6?? How many people are purchasing iPhone 6's because they would have preferred a smaller screen but didn't want an old device?

The only real way to judge demand of each model, would be to release a 4 inch 6S, alongside the 4.7 and 5.5, then let people choose.
 
I usually do the 'S' upgrades, but will pass this one up. I'm happy with the size of the 5s and will probably keep it until Apple come back out with another corresponding size or I can no longer upgrade the IOS. I can use my watch for Apple Pay.
I had finally talked my wife into the 5s from her old LG. She has small hands and doesn't like the size of the 6, so would be the same decision for her.
 
That's not what I said. There's a plethora of specs that separate the 6+ and the 4S/5C/5S aside from screen size so you can't put it down to just that.

So many people want the latest and greatest (but would prefer a 4" screen) so they opt for the 5.5" (instead of the 4.7") and more expensive one to boot?

Match the specs (aside from screen size) and the 4" would sell like hotcakes. Do you actually seriously think more people want a dinner plate sized phablet than a normal sized phone?

What is a "normal sized phone"? Certainly there's a myriad opinions on that.
 
And why do you think they don't make these anymore?

Answer: because most consumers want large screen phones.

As someone said before: if there is a profitable market for small screened phones then a manufacturer will jump in and produce them.

There is not a gentlemen's agreement between all manufacturers to piss off all the consumers that want a 4" phone.

Plenty of people want smaller phones, There are multiple Android smaller phones. The Compact Sony phones are good.

Large screens was Samsungs way of differentiating from the iPhone, and it has stuck for some people who like that. However that is not everyone. There is no choice of a smaller phone in the market. I woulds suspect that people who wanted a smaller premium phone were buying iPhones, and people wanting a larger phone were buying androids, however there is no option now which is highly unfortunate.

Even it 10-20 percent of people wanted a smaller iPhone, that would make Apple money.
 
Sure the 4" market is still there, but you are overestimating its size and profitability. As larger screen devices become more commonplace and the small screen market shrinks, it will become more expensive and hence less profitable to produce and sell smaller screened devices.

This! a lot of people think 'how hard is it? Just use the same internals as the 6 and stick them into a 4 inch body'. In addition to design & R&D costs, the smaller screens themselves become even more expensive to produce.

Look at PC laptop market, one would expect the 10 inch laptop to be the cheapest? Wrong. The cheapest accross the borad is the 15.6 screen size, that size is the most popular and hence has cheapest LCDs and even motherboards from suppliers.
 
That's not what I said. There's a plethora of specs that separate the 6+ and the 4S/5C/5S aside from screen size so you can't put it down to just that.

Match the specs (aside from screen size) and the 4" would sell like hotcakes. Do you actually seriously think more people want a dinner plate sized phablet than a normal sized phone?

Yes, I actually think more people would chose the larger phone if all other specs were equal.
 
Well it seems that way..

It just seems crazy to me that Apple would drop that size altogether rather than incorporate it into the line up.

I see your point. I was surprised when they dropped that size from the lineup, as I thought there is at least a budget market for the 4".

But the large screen pull appears to be so powerful that the small screen market seems to be drying up faster than anyone expected.

I also don't have overly big hands but must concede that the advantage of the large screen and the increased information it can show totally outweigh the decrease in usage comfort.
 
I would have to say that the person attributing the abhorrent, crude title of "DB" to someone, is more likely to be seen as one, than the person to whom they are attributing it.

Can't people discuss in a civil manner, without lowering the tone with crude insults? (the sign of a lack of patience and/or intelligent thought). It seems not.

As a society, haven't we pandered, and coddled, to the people that think less, enough?

If someone says something stupid or blatantly obvious, are we supposed to praise them or treat them as if they are equal?

Shouldn't we help give them a boost to think more critically and maybe, just maybe, they will articulate a thought before posting it on a public forum...

If someone calls me a bad name or makes a remark about something I've said, it makes me reflect on that. If it's warranted, I will adjust my behavior. If not, then I will change nothing.

We should call people out, sometimes. If people don't want called out, then they should not speak or post. It's a risk we take online and in everyday life.

If you are offended, don't participate in this forum, or the cruel world in which we live.

When did constructive criticism become so evil and unused.
 
So many people want the latest and greatest (but would prefer a 4" screen) so they opt for the 5.5" (instead of the 4.7") and more expensive one to boot?



What is a "normal sized phone"? Certainly there's a myriad opinions on that.

Normal sized for many = able to be used with one hand.
 
Yes, I actually think more people would chose the larger phone if all other specs were equal.

The bigger phones probably would sell more, but that doesn't mean that nobody would buy the smaller option.

Nothing wrong with giving people options, and as i'd said over and over, there are plenty of 4/4S/5/5S users who like a smaller sized phone. I am one of them, and will get a Sony if Apple doesn't release a phone that is usable with one hand in the next couple of years.
 
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