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Next A9-Based iPhone Predicted to Have 12MP Camera, 2GB RAM, Rose Gold and More, Mass Production in August

fermat-au said:
Les than one year ago Apple was telling people that 4" was the perfect size and anything larger was silly, now Apple isn't going to sell new 4" phones.

This is called the Reality Distortion Field of Apple
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They don't currently sell 4" phones. Oh, and they never said that.
 
Schranke said:
No 4 inch model, count me out
Sticking to my 5s an extra year then
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I was thinking of downgrading back to the 5s only because the 6 is far too big for my hands... however i also like the slim form factor of the 6.. So i'm on the edge.
 
I think that 4.2 inch smaller iPhone model would be welcomed (6C; 6S; 6S+). The last model name is a bit .. hmm..hard to pronounce :) or can be like read like "sex is plus"
 
nviz22 said:
Is 12 MP enough to shoot 4K? I feel like that's the only real advantage the S6 offers over the iPhone 6/6+ camera. Unless you want the quick camera shortcut function (nifty in of itself, but not groundbreaking), or some of the editing tools.
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4K is overkill right now. Shooting 4K on your phone is cool but where are you gonna watch it at besides the phone? Did you buy a 4K TV? Can your computer handle 4K content? Are you gonna send 4K content to other users phone so they can view when their phone is incompatible?

Reminds me of the EVO 3D. The 3D was cool on the phone but worthless outside of your phone.
 
nburwell said:
I'm sure we're in the mintority, but I absolutely agree here. If no 4" model is re-introduced, I'll just stick with my 5s for another year.
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2016 is probably when that occurs. The iPhone 6S/6S+ is probably going from designed in California to being put on the floor in Chinese facilities.

In about a month or two, we will see body leaks like the past few years. Then, more leaks about specs and features, unveiling, signing up and line ups, shortages, people complaining about some bugs or hardware issues as early adopters, fixed by Apple, then supply line stabilizes, everyone has opinions, anticipates newer iOS and iPhone again, rinse and repeat.

As for the 5S, I wouldn't count on your phone lasting up until 2016, especially if you had it since 2013. The battery cells don't last well over two years at the same capacity, so you will see your phone die out quicker and quicker as time goes on. Keep in mind, the 64 Bit processor and 1 GB of RAM makes one more iOS version plausible. After iOS 9? Your device will become slower and slower as iOS advances. So the thing is that you might want to get on board because the 4" show is going to stop chugging once Apple realizes that it's not worth the resources to sell to a specific niche.

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Black Magic said:
4K is overkill right now. Shooting 4K on your phone is cool but where are you gonna watch it at besides the phone? Did you buy a 4K TV? Can your computer handle 4K content? Are you gonna send 4K content to other users phone so they can view when their phone is incompatible?

Reminds me of the EVO 3D. The 3D was cool on the phone but worthless outside of your phone.
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The "overkill" argument is a mere copout. Technology is ever advancing, and Apple has to upgrade over time to keep up even if they do it at their own pace. Is having 240 FPS on 720p slowmo overkill? One can argue that. Is having Apple Pay on a phone overkill? Yes. Do you need TouchID? Not at all. Technology outpaces needs.
 
giantfan1224 said:
Unless you suffer from "I'm the only one that matters" syndrome.
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Im clearly not though, judging by the comments in this thread and 2nd highest rated (was top rated) comment.

I know it's not a the market research you were looking for but I'm not alone in this one.
 
yaboyac29 said:
Give me a gold iPhone with a black front with a gold ring #

White front for the rose gold.
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This this this this this. I'd love both a gold iPhone and iPad that match my new MacBook. Black front, gold ring around the home button, hell even black antennas would look neat too.

Poochi said:
Meh.
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Great contribution to the forums right here. I mean really, what exactly are you expecting? 4K screens on three different models of new iPhones (4, 4.7, 5.5) with all new designs? For the model S year upgrade?

Force Touch even sounds like a stretch to me. I'd think they'd wait until the next redesign, and have better materials, better specs, better camera etc. to be enough. Including a new color for the ladies.
 
Edd.Dantes said:
As a society, haven't we pandered, and coddled, to the people that think less, enough?

If someone says something stupid or blatantly obvious, are we supposed to praise them or treat them as if they are equal?

Shouldn't we help give them a boost to think more critically and maybe, just maybe, they will articulate a thought before posting it on a public forum...

If someone calls me a bad name or makes a remark about something I've said, it makes me reflect on that. If it's warranted, I will adjust my behavior. If not, then I will change nothing.

We should call people out, sometimes. If people don't want called out, then they should not speak or post. It's a risk we take online and in everyday life.

If you are offended, don't participate in this forum, or the cruel world in which we live.

When did constructive criticism become so evil and unused.
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When did name-calling become constructive criticism?
 
Jsameds said:
4" is a rapidly decreasing market because no one is making flagship 4" phones any more.

The manufacturers are artificially shifting the demand.
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Apple: "They want what we don't have." (April 2014)

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Nothing artificial there
 
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Jsameds said:
Im clearly not though, judging by the comments in this thread and 2nd highest rated (was top rated) comment.

I know it's not a the market research you were looking for but I'm not alone in this one.
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No one is denying that there is a market for a 4" iPhone. If these rumors for the next release of the iPhone(s) are true, then apparently it's not a market that Apple cares to exploit--for whatever reason. Based on trends in the marketplace going towards larger--not smaller--screens, the 4" or smaller market may very well be a dying one.
 
An A9 chip, really? These analysts have amazing access to inside information.

Considering it's a proprietary part number and they've been increasing the number by 1 for years, that gives us so much information about the next gen phone's CPU, doesn't it?
 
Lictor said:
No, they won't. Unless Apple achieves some tech that can disprove both optical law and quantum physics, they just can't add that more meaningful pixels (meaning pixels that capture real data rather than noise or artifacts).

They can't put a larger sensor, because a larger sensor would mean a longer lens for the same angle of vision (optical laws) and it would be sticking even more at the back of the phone.

With a fixed size sensor, extra pixels mean extra noise in low light (quantum physics). I'm not talking about noise that is due to electronics you can improve, but noise that is due to the fact that light is made of photons and thus of discrete amounts of energy. You can always run algorithms to reduce noise, but they can't do miracle and create information that is not there.

Moreover, a fixed sensor means that you keep the same floor for resolution due to diffraction. On my D800 with 4,89 micron pixels on a 24x36 sensor, I'm diffraction limited around f/11. Meaning the airy disk becomes bigger than an 2-3 pixels and this really destroys resolution (and can potentially cause color artifacts with the Bayer filter).
If you take a point&shoot like the Powershoot G9 a 12mp pixels camera with 1.9 micron pixels, the airy disk becomes too big around f4 - meaning that if you want to actually use the 12mp, you have to shoot at f4 or less.
Now, the iPhone 6+ has 1.5 micron pixel and a sensor smaller than the G9. You will hit the limit very fast, probably at around f2.8. So, the resolution is already limited by optical laws, adding more pixels will cause the camera to become resolution limited at full aperture.
And coming with a better lens won't help either. This is cause by optical laws, they exist even with an ideal lens.

The only room for improvement would be a bigger sensor and a lens with a wider aperture. But both means a thicker camera unit, that will stick even more. And the later causes problem with the AF system which must be very precise otherwise it will limit resolution too.



You're kidding ? The iPhone 6 has one of the best camera on the market, this has been reviewed as such by many photography sites. Both DxO and DP Review gave it excellent reviews. It's way better than what is on the Android world.

For instance : http://connect.dpreview.com/post/6303555427/apple-iphone-6-plus-camera-review?page=6

But it's a smartphone. There is no way you can even approach under ideal conditions the quality you will have from a DSLR...



It's science and technology, not magic. A tiny sensor will always be plague by noise. Even when the conditions are perfect. For instance, look a blue skyes in broad daylight on photos from smartphones, you will very often have noise here. Because they have a tiny sensor and it's low light as far as the pixels under the red and green of the Bayer filters are concerned. Clever algorithms can hide that by recognizing it's a sky, but it's a problem you will have everytime you have something monochromatic.

The best the algorithm can do is not remove all the noise, focusing on the ugly chroma noise which is easy to remove with little impact on quality and letting most of the luma noise in (because removing too much of it will give a plastic look and destroy details). And that's exactly the clever choice that Apple made. You can always apply some more noise reduction with software or app, but you can never recover the details lost by aggressive noise reduction (like on some Android phones).
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"Way better than what is on the Android world". Heard of the Galaxy S6 or Note 4?
 
You 4inchers might be lucky with a new budget iPhone although chances might be slim. But we might see a 6c based on a smaller shell with roughly 6 internals. Or they might give up on a lower cost iphone
 
'Forced touch' I wonder what existing technology Apple rebranded for this one.
 
Gix1k said:
'Forced touch' I wonder what existing technology Apple rebranded for this one.
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That's true... in fact none of the Apple features are really new..... as they never invented it........ it's just new to Apple.. eg . gestures... touch etc..

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Worth it alone for the 2GB of RAM. The 6 Plus is a joke, it will be the iPad 3 of phones. Underpowered for such a large high density screen.
 
mr.bee said:
2GB, I don't know the fuzz about this one. opening 20 tabs on a cellular phone just can't be good for your workflow.
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But the ability to leave Safari and go to one or two other apps, and then come back to Safari without your page reloading sure would be nice.
 
Tech198 said:
That's true... in fact none of the Apple features are really new..... as they never invented it........ it's just new to Apple.. eg . gestures... touch etc..

(Edits: neat diamond)
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New to Apple and yet Apple fans act like it wasn't hear of prior to Apple adoption....example NFC.
 
Gix1k said:
New to Apple and yet Apple fans act like it wasn't hear of prior to Apple adoption....example NFC.
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No one, not even Apple, is implying any of the technology is new. They just brand it differently than the rest and usually make sure there is an actual concept and plan behind the usage (See Apple Pay with the partnerships).

What Android usually does is adopt technologies early, but leave it to everyone else (consumers and business) to figure out what to do with it.
 
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