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Next-Generation 13-Inch MacBook Pro Benchmarked with Modest Performance Gains
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What bothers me is that the Back to School offer hasn't started this year. They're wary of releasing new hardware before that starts. It's almost July now.
I have the 4000 graphics on my 13 inch Early 2011 MacBook Pro and I can tell you I'm fairly disappointed in the performance.This is good news.
Using the 28W CPUs means:
- Similar CPU performance at much lower power use
- Large increase in GPU performance
These CPUs have the HD 5100 Iris integrated graphics. Here's a comparison chart:
Leftmost bars are the old HD 4000 graphics.
Middle bars are the new HD 5000 graphics like those in the 2013 Air.
Rightmost bars are the HD 5100 graphics that will probably be in the new 13" retina.
I agree with you. No any new hardware will be released before Back To School 2013 so If something will be showed up we see it in July. Nothing in July so without any doubt on September. By the way I open Apple Store Online and I realized it doesn't work very well. There are some problems to load the theme. Do you?
Yeah. Why would we want more power? It's just a Pro machine, it doesn't need it. After all, all we do on this "Pro" machine is YT and FB.
Of course. Who cares about everything else? It's unlikely someone will use this "Pro" notebook for some serious work. It's more important that we have an extra 2 hours for facebook browsing.
More power? The benchmarks score are ~ the same.
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Please, go on the iPad forums. Never post in a mac thread.
Please, go away!
I am expecting new hardware to be released along with their offer. Apple's new layout is annoying but the site is working.
Yeah. Why would we want more power? It's just a Pro machine, it doesn't need it. After all, all we do on this "Pro" machine is YT and FB.
Of course. Who cares about everything else? It's unlikely someone will use this "Pro" notebook for some serious work. It's more important that we have an extra 2 hours for facebook browsing.
More power? The benchmarks score are ~ the same.
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Please, go on the iPad forums. Never post in a mac thread.
Please, go away!
Oh your right - I can't believe they didn't double the performance of the rMBP. What were they thinking! Its a bunch of nonsense really.....
Get over yourself. Half you "pros" complain just for the sake of complaining when many of these machines can do everything real pros need and more.
And if it doesn't suit your needs, there are quite a few other options. I was merely responding to a poster who claimed Apple would LIMIT power because of design - when the fact is they actually INCREASED the power (5-8%) while using a slower more battery efficient chip.
Nevermind it does that 5-8% improvement on less power and only the lowest clocked rMBP was benchmarked there.
I'll post where I please, thanks.
What to buy !
Hey Guys,
I am still a windows user and planning to buy a non retina MBP 13" 2.9 Ghz in July. I am sure to buy a MBP as am starting college next month.
Please if you could suggest me what to do about it?
I wouldn't really want to go for a non retina MBP if it's gonna be phased out this year.
What I would be needing is a fast machine. Will use it for a lot of presentations and Pages and a lot of surfing and movies. Battery life is not a big issue but need a fast machine with sufficient amount of space on the disk.
Thanks !
Hey Guys,
I am still a windows user and planning to buy a non retina MBP 13" 2.9 Ghz in July. I am sure to buy a MBP as am starting college next month.
Please if you could suggest me what to do about it?
I wouldn't really want to go for a non retina MBP if it's gonna be phased out this year.
What I would be needing is a fast machine. Will use it for a lot of presentations and Pages and a lot of surfing and movies. Battery life is not a big issue but need a fast machine with sufficient amount of space on the disk.
Thanks !
I think there's no point in waiting for higher res 13" MBP - at least the cMBP. They could've done it many times over the last couple of years. Now that would make no sense since it would cannibalize the 13" rMBP. Besides the cMBP is their bestseller, so Apple can assume that people don't mind the display. Of course the price is the most important factor here, but still, people are buying a $1000+ laptop with a 1200x800 resolution.
REMINDER: 2006 white Macbook had the same resolution... lower quality display, but one would think they could've upgraded the resolution over the 7 years... at least to the 13" MBA level.
Therefore, given cMBp's history I wouldn't count on 13" rMBP getting a display resolution update any time soon
I doubt Apple would add fingerprint reading technology to any Mac before it had been in iPhones and iPads for at least a year.
The MacBook Pro release schedule will be driven by Intel's Haswell release schedule. TB2 has nothing to do with it, fingerprint reading tech has nothing to do with it, etc. The availability, in sufficiently large numbers, of suitable Haswell chips is the only thing holding up a revised MacBook Pro. My guess is that they are already in production ramp up.
Fingerprint reading technology seems like such a gimmick to me personally, I have one on my 4 year old Alienware laptop and have never used it, not once. Just has gimmick written all over it.
I'm hoping they have BTS in July and release the new rMBPs in August... just in time for college!
Outstanding! Apple is poised to address my number one concern, battery life!
I've been pleased with performance and unhappy with battery life since my 2006 MacBook Pro. The Geekbench was 3300
My Air is as much as I need minus the screen/capacity. SSD solves any performance concerns.
I've been pleased with performance and unhappy with battery life since my 2006 MacBook Pro. The Geekbench was 3300
My Air is as much as I need minus the screen/capacity. SSD solves any performance concerns.
I find this highly interesting, as there is a convergence between three factors:
- Lower power consumption of haswell in general
- a shift from M-series to U-series
- power saving features of 10.9 "That stupid beach no-one outside california's ever heard about".
In my mind, these could lead to as significant endurance jump in the current form factor 13" MBP, the question being, whether Apple perceives a 12+ hour battery life to be a strong selling point (how many really need that) or rather decides to do something about the enclosure.
Also, it would be interesting to know the endurance of the next iteration of the 13" retina.
RGDS,
I know it is too early to say something about future price of the next Macbook Pro series with new Haswell processors but do you think the price of new Macbook Pro Retina 15.4'' will be lower? I mean the base price is 2199$. Maybe will be 1999$ or 2099$? What do you think about?I'm curious to hear your opinions
I got that from the geekbench site. Please could you explain how it works then?
According to this that's exactly how it works:
http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/interpreting-geekbench-scores
Thanks
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Because it would drain more power and generate more heat. Those are not desirable side effects in a 13" slim form factor.
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The Geekbench results chart shown in the article is off. I have the 13" rMBP with the 3.0 GHz i7 CPU upgrade and it's scoring almost 8500 points, but the article shows 7781. Where's the discrepancy coming from?
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/2097916
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The HD4000 in the 13" rMBP runs at almost twice the clock speed compared to the one in the Ivy Bridge Air. This is because the Air family uses ultra low voltage (ULV) Intel processors: for example my 2012 model had a i7-3667U with a max TDP of around 17W. My 13" rMBP uses a low voltage i7-3540M which has a TDP of 35W. Consequently, it can afford to run its GPU at almost twice the clock speed [Source: Intel CPU specs: http://ark.intel.com/products/71255 compare to http://ark.intel.com/products/64898]
thats only the base clock speed.
all GPUs clock up and down depending on the load.
look here
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/30/macbook-pro-review-13-inch-mid-2012/
and here
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/macbook-air-review/
compare those 3DMark06 scores.
HD4000s have quite similar maximum clock speed depending on the processor type, but in the end they have roughly the same performance.
macbook air HD4000 base clock is lower to reduce the battery consumption, but when on load it could run as fast as a MBP or rMBP.
The Air has plenty of power for presentations, Pages, surfing, and movies. The only thing it doesn't have is lots of cheap storage because it's SSD-based. However, a lot of people tend to over-estimate how much storage they need. Check out how much you're actually using right now before worrying about that (and note that while your movies will be very big, your presentations will not be). There's really two situations: 1. You're barely using any and so don't need to worry about storage - maybe get ~2x what you're currently using so you have room to grow, or 2. You need a lot of storage in which case I would invest in a USB3 external drive.
Some things to keep in mind:
- The 2013 Airs have Geekbench scores around 7000, while the 2012 13" Pros have a score around 7800. You're not going to notice the difference (in fact, if you have a hard disk instead of an SSD the Pro will feel slower)
- The 2013 Airs have HD5000 graphics compared to HD4000 in the Pros.
- In college especially, you'll find that battery life is nice. The smaller weight is also nice.
- The Air has a higher-resolution screen (though lower quality, but it shouldn't be a problem if you don't do real-deal photo-editing)
- You don't need an optical drive
If you're not going to be running computationally-intensive software (and by that I mean scientific-level software that's analyzing huge datasets and performing serious calculations with them) just get the Air. It's not a baby-machine like people seem to think it is (and it's definitely not a netbook, and some people even manage to use those things). If you're dead-set on getting a Pro, I'd save a little money and get a refurbished one, or spring for the retina version. You can wait and see if they're updated, but I wouldn't count on it. Also don't forget that external hard drives are an option!
Good luck!
Edit: Just today, someone is posting about using an Air for graphics work.
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So, what's the reason of the 35W processors then? Same dual-core, roughly the same output? Why shouldn't they put the ULV in all macbooks provided it's so efficient?
I think you're missing the point. Both processors will have roughly the same output as long as they can turbo boost. The moment the air becomes too hot it will resort to its base frequency and then the difference between the two models will become more obvious. Clearly, if one needs a computer for web surfing, document writing and the like, both computers will be equally fast and the only difference will be the retina screen on the one side, and long battery life on the other.
well .... they have different clockspeed do they?
i mean .... isn't that quite obvious that the increased power usage (35W) is due to CPU clockspeed?
by the way you realize we are talking about the GPU instead of CPU right?
I nearly bought a 13 inch i5 MacBook Pro today but held off because of potential refreshes. What worries me though is that the non-retina model might be discontinued. I want this model because of easy upgradability - I could install more RAM and an SSD in the future.
The SuperDrive would be handy although I wouldn't worry too much if it was dropped - the upgradability is key for me.
But, given that the only model available later in the year might by a Retina version, should I buy now or wait?
The SuperDrive would be handy although I wouldn't worry too much if it was dropped - the upgradability is key for me.
But, given that the only model available later in the year might by a Retina version, should I buy now or wait?