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Next-Generation 15-Inch MacBook Pro Shows Up in Benchmarks
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Just get an external optical drive. They're cheap and just fine for the relatively limited use they get now. I work in IT and have used my external drive at work 3 times this year, and have used optical media in my home computers 0 times. Last time I can remember using it is installing Office on my wife's laptop last August.
Yeah..too close to Air despite different Cpus and Retina but..
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Could be but not with a 13 retina without a Quad Core+5200
and not without a Retina 15 without a Discrete Gpu.
Infact this on 13 retina + Quad Core will be great but i won't buy it a 15 without a Discrete in it.
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I won't make my wallet thinner without a discrete reason.
I agree Apple has stepped it up recently in the GPU department. They used to ship $2000 computers with the same GPU as $400 PCs. It was pathetic. When you're that far behind just catching up looks like a major achievement. Fortunately Apple has done more than just catch up. As you noted, the iMac ships with impressive GPUs and offers the powerful 680MX as a BTO option.
I'm glad to see you're so happy with games performance, but according to your sig you don't have a retina MBP. The retina display has 4x as many pixels and 650M performance is not nearly as good on that machine.
The new Mac Pro is designed around two GPUs and only one CPU. Apple clearly believes that the GPU is becoming more important than the CPU for high end work. At the same time their Pro mobile product appears to be going backward in GPU capability. Dumping the discrete GPU may make sense next year or the one after that when Intel's superior fabs and higher R&D budget allow them to pass AMD and nVidia, but we're not there yet.
So glad I purchased a Apple Refurbished 15" rmbp last week for $1599. On top of this, Apple actually sent me a 2.6ghz model vs the 2.4ghz model I was promised. Its such an awesome machine, and now it looks like I won't be needing to sell it and get the new one.
Seriously, thanks Apple!!
Seriously, thanks Apple!!
Yeah that I would have no problem with. Keep in mind, I am not buying a 15" rMBP but I am not selfish with my needs.
Here is the structure of the XML sent by GeekBench application to PrimateLabs server. The sample is a benchmark of my late 2008 MBP, and you could see that the 2 nVidia GPUs are detected:
Code:
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<geekbench version="Geekbench 2.4.3 Tryout" revision="204003" commit="dd67b4ccf6" checksum="4a1cac5b94bc61a45d5e54ce404a0c19">
<score>2966</score>
<elapsed>127.5</elapsed>
<options workers="2" iterations="8"> </options>
<metrics>
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<metric id="15" name="Bus Frequency" value="1.06 GHz" ivalue="1064000000"/>
<metric id="16" name="Memory" value="8.00 GB" ivalue="8589934592"/>
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<metric id="31" name="L3 Cache Count" value="1" ivalue="1"/>
<metric id="32" name="Model ID" value="MacBookPro5,1" ivalue="0"/>
[B]<metric id="35" name="" value="NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT" ivalue="0"/>
<metric id="36" name="" value="NVIDIA GeForce 9400M" ivalue="0"/>[/B]
</metrics>
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<elapsed>3.4</elapsed>
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the only problem with the new processors is that they aren't faster, just better battery. which is good for macbook airs, but the pros, especially the 15" retina, performance i believe is more important
If they used the extra space for battery like the guy suggested, it would be heavier. Batteries account for a significant amount of the weight in most mobile/portable digital devices these days.
For a professional series of laptops, not having at least a BTO for 16GB RAM in a rMBP is poor form from Apple. It's part of the reason why for my work laptop I've gone with a decked out Alienware because it can support 32GB and has a 3GB BTO graphics card.
Buildwise it ain't close to Apple but I need RAM and GPU when designing around Geospatial.
For home, I am still tempted if the 13" or 15" rMBP are speced out decently upgrading from las years model.
Speaking about rumors, it usually it means either days, weeks or months. Sometimes years, if it's Dota 2 for the mac.
The 2.6GHz processors are higher end chips from the 2012 range, while the 2.4GHz is the 2013 update - probably still runs faster but I'm not sure whether or not they changed any of the other internals, so it might be a good idea to check, just to be safe.
The drivers may have improved, but I have strong reservations about the length of time the drivers will be supported. NV and ATI release driver updates even after a dGPU is no longer the most recent version. This has not been the case with Intel's iGPU. The inclusion of Iris Pro graphics seems to me to serve many purposes, not the least of which is an increased pace of hardware obsolescence.
Hello! I'm starting college again in mid August and I'd like to buy a 13" macbook pro. However, I've been following up on the Buyer's guide but I'm still not sure if I should buy the macbook pro now (basic model, it's at $999 with the student discount) or wait for Haswell (I think it's only the retinas that are getting a refresh?). I'm studying (Interactive) Advertising and my college uses iMacs in the "creative" class rooms (aka when we have to use Adobe programs among others). I've only been using Photoshop for now but, going into my 3rd year, I will have to use other programs depending on the classes. A big majority of the students who study something with graphic designing, film and others use macbook pros (there's a percentage of chance that they might not all be new but yeah, that's what upgrading is for, right?). It's not that I'm giving into "peer pressure" since I have been saving up for years. I just want to not regret my purchase. Although the retina may be beautiful, it doesn't convince me so that one is out (plus I sometimes use my disk drive because of my dad).
Sorry if this was a big paragraph but I really need help. Thank you!
Sorry if this was a big paragraph but I really need help. Thank you!
I will hook it up to a wonderfull 46 on my house and while i'm on the go
i will adapt ...my expectations with it
But they won't go like that.
They will cut REAL GPUS in the MacBook Pro,
will still sell 13 Mac Book Pro with dual cores..and not Quad
(makin it a Retina Air...)
and won't ever mount any quad core on the Air till
you won't see a 6 core on the 15 MacBookPro,mini and Imac..
so..maybe until the 2018...or more..or till their sales will drop down
(i suppose never) or Cook will leave (i suppose ..the same ).
I mean
4600 2013 Air
5100 dual core 2013 Retina 13 mb...pro
5200 quad core 2013 Retina?/Classic 15 Mb..pro
now..i only hope to see a 760 BTO on the Retina 15 2013..
but i'm not holding my breath as wrote above.
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