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Next-Generation 15-Inch MacBook Pro Shows Up in Benchmarks

LoggerMN said:
But external is the problem. External devices are fine for your desk, but are a PiTA when travelling. I'm imagining using the external drive attached to my Mac on my lap in the car or on a plane. That's just plain inconvenient.
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Their external drive is so small/thin and light that you won't notice it at all when travelling. If you need something off a DVD or CD for a plane trip and don't want to pull out the drive, then put it all on a thumb drive for the plane trip.

They aren't going backwards to a drive that no one is using anymore.
 
MH01 said:
Not if they use the same process to anodise it. The black iphone is a scratch magnet.
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i have a bumper on mine (for occasion butterfingers drops)...the back has zero scratches on it, despite being exposed in my pocket every single day. i dont have other objects in that pocket.

what do you do w/ yours?
 
dagamer34 said:
You need to stop thinking that dedicated graphics are magically more performant than "integrated ones". And the Retina MacBook Pro can barely keep up because the CPUs have to suddenly decode 4x image sizes, it has little to do with the GPU. I mean, think about it, we've been able to run multi-monitor setups on the MacBook Air with far fewer pixels and that has a far weaker GPU.

Anyway, performance specs on Iris 5200 Pro: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested

Basically, GPU performance is slightly weaker than a GT650M. Could they include a dedicated GPU? Maybe. But that extra $100 from the eDRAM which Intel is charging likely means no dedicated GPU. For those looking for better GPU performance, you're going to have to wait for Broadwell.
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I couldn't agree more. I don't think that the High resolution screen needs that much of GPU speed. Think about multiple-screen and think about iphone and ipad, you don't need a super fast GPU to just deal with more pixels.

Actually I would like the 15"RMBP drop the dGPU on some model, cuz I don't use GPU as extensive as those "Pros" do, an Iris Pro would be enough for me.

In that case the price could also be lower for rmbp. Considering that apple might just drop the whole cMBP line, if the rmbp is going to replace cMBP It would also make sense that the price need to be dropped back to cMBP level. Apple didn't increase the price level when they moved to retina iphone 4 from 3Gs.
 
LoggerMN said:
But external is the problem. External devices are fine for your desk, but are a PiTA when travelling. I'm imagining using the external drive attached to my Mac on my lap in the car or on a plane. That's just plain inconvenient.
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Connect external prior to leaving on trip or while in hotel room, rip DVD or BR (20-45 mins), watch from internal drive (or encode in Handbrake for even smaller file size). Does take a bit more planning, but not too much.
 
UnfetteredMind said:
Connect external prior to leaving on trip or while in hotel room, rip DVD or BR (20-45 mins), watch from internal drive (or encode in Handbrake for even smaller file size). Does take a bit more planning, but not too much.
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I'm not good at planning, hence the last minute RedBox. :rolleyes:
 
FuFuFu said:
No Thunderbolt 2, no buy ... without it is not future proof.
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A couple of important points here....

Firstly Thunderbolt 2 might not be ready until early 2014. That's at least a good 8 months away. Easily enough time for another MBP revision by then.

Secondly, what's 'future proof' exactly? Thunderbolt 2 is v1 downgradeable and suitable for most users.
 
Shaun said:
Why so sarcastic? You know what I meant. I was asking for clues as to when they might release it rather than the actual date.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Have a nice day.
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No, nobody has a clue when they might release it. Sorry to hurt your feelings. Also, I don't think you understand what sarcasm means, because my comment wasn't sarcasm.
 
That it has Iris Pro implies nothing.

Iris Pro and high end discrete are useful for different things.
 
We just got an update from John Poole at Primate Labs, and he tells us that Geekbench did NOT see a discrete GPU on this machine.
 
Eithanius said:
According to Wiki and MacTracker, previous Ivy procs for 15" MBP are rated as 45W up to 2.8GHz, used on the current high-end rMBP...

This one is rated at 47W, at only 2.4GHz Wiki listed the 4950HQ procs as the fastest in Intel's arsenal. Hot and slow...? :D:D
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This wouldn't likely translate to much of an improvement in the battery life, if true.
 
WildCowboy said:
We just got an update from John Poole at Primate Labs, and he tells us that Geekbench did NOT see a discrete GPU on this machine.
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Unless Apple offers a top end option with discrete graphics (and I hope they do), this will be a set back. Battery life will get much, much better (which is a plus) even doing graphically intense things, yes. And the Iris Pro 5200 with dedicated RAM is within 20% of the GT650 for some tasks. But for graphically intense work (like video effects rendering), it's a step backwards.

My guess is two possible scenarios: 1) offer an entry and mid grade with integrated Iris GPU and lower clocked CPU... and 2) a ultimate and/or BTO option to get a dedicated GPU with a higher clocked non-Iris Intel CPU... (note, Intel's Haswell chips with lesser integrated graphics have higher clock speeds for the CPU overall). Still better battery life, etc... but the option for more speed when needed.

My fear however is there will instead be no dedicated option across the line, and in return they offer a lower price point (nice) and better battery but lower overall graphical performance.

To cover all possible "pros", they should offer 1&2 vs. 3. This test isn't indicative yet of every laptop in the 15" rMBP line yet. I hope.
 
WildCowboy said:
We just got an update from John Poole at Primate Labs, and he tells us that Geekbench did NOT see a discrete GPU on this machine.
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If this is true, and Apple isn't putting a discrete GPU in the rMBPs, it means the previous model has actually better graphics performance :mad: This can't be true? The 650M still outperforms Iris5200 in games. When paying at least 2000 dollars for a 'Pro'-computer you'd expect no compromises whatsoever. The people at Apple can't be like "Better battery life will do for this update, give'em a slight CPU increase and oh those GPU's gotta go, who cares about them anyway? Iris is more or less the same as the GPU on the previous model, no need to innovate anymore" = what's I'm hearing right now.

If this really is the way it's going, then drop the price to (at least) 1799.
 
Ryth said:
Could just be the entry model.
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It has the top-of-the-line Haswell CPU, at least among those with Iris 5200 graphics. So it doesn't look like it's an entry-level, although it's possible Apple could offer discrete as an option at the high-end. Will be interesting to see what they do.
 
Ctrl2k said:
And the Iris Pro 5200 with dedicated RAM is within 20% of the GT650 for some tasks. But for graphically intense work (like video effects rendering), it's a step backwards.
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That's not true, Anandtech showed that the Iris Pro 5200 has significantly higher compute performance than the GT650M.
 
Ryth said:
Could just be the entry model.
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Intels most expensive CPU in a entry model? Plus a different PCB-Layout to the highend-models should be cheaper in production than a 100Mhz faster and $280 cheaper i7-4800MQ? I'm sure for $280 they would get a pretty nice dGPU. But so...

bye bye dGPU.
 
Quash said:
Ok this basically means that the next generation will be intel only
No more nvidia/ati graphics in apple's notebook line.

Now if it were a 4750hq then maybe an extra expensive model with a dedicated gpu could have been an option.

But since it's the 4950 the chance is zero % that we will see a dedicated graphics card in any of apple's notebooks.

Brave move, but it's the right move to make looking forward!
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Is this just a cost saving issue on Apple's part or is there some other reason they're making the switch? Seems an odd move if it's going to impact on overall graphics performance in games for example.
 
Pegamush said:
that's just what we have here, an entry level rMBP 15" without dedicated gpu (as i said in past threads, apple already did in the past a 15" with integrated cpu. at the time, if i remember correctly, there were nvidia chipsets with graphic chip).
let's just hope it's somewhere in the 1799 range, though i'd also very welcome a huge drop in the 2199 model..

so now the question is.. when?? :D
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Prepare to be disappointed. What many posters here don't realize is that by putting Iris Pro on the rMBP 15 basically shows Apple's hand that they're planning on eliminating all discrete GPU's from their mobile lineup. The Iris Pro costs about the same as would a Haswell CPU + Nvidia GT750M. Why would Apple really eat into their profit margins on trying to sell a rMBP $1700 unless their other component costs have really come down since last year? Also, for the posters wishing for a GTX780M in the rMBP need to put down the pipedream as the rMBP in this current chassis is very heat limited when it comes to available GPU's. Stop comparing much thicker Windows laptops with much shorter battery life to the rMBP.

In a nutshell, we're getting slightly better CPU, better GPU compute, weaker gaming, much better battery life with the late 2013 rMBP.
 
I'd be highly disappointed if there were no discrete gpu. Seriously a $2K machine with integrated graphics? That's got to be a joke. I'm putting all my marbles on the next 15" rmbp and discrete GPU is a must for me. I really hope there is more to this or else I'm going with something else.
 
jxie0755 said:
I couldn't agree more. I don't think that the High resolution screen needs that much of GPU speed. Think about multiple-screen and think about iphone and ipad, you don't need a super fast GPU to just deal with more pixels.
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Actually...you do. Or rather, many of us do. You've apparently not done much with gaming. Even a very old game like World of Warcraft practically crawls running side-by-side next to a non-Retina 15" because of all that extra rendering. It's even worse with newer games.
 
No dedicated GPU?

Guys, what if …*what if this is the next gen 13" rMBP? :eek:

You heard it here first! :cool:
 
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