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1080p isn't worth discussing. :apple:TV3 will support 1080p playback with 100% certainty. Not that I think it is a big deal. I can't tell the difference between a Blu Ray and a 720p download from my couch.

The killer feature would be opening up an App store. This opens up all kinds of possibilities to really take over the living room and complete Apples integration into all aspect of our media/electronics lives.

More network/channel support will be difficult for the same reasons they get blocked on Google TV. Networks want to keep more control.

A5 inclusion? This is a very large chip. They need to wait for an A5 die shrink before they could put it in a $99 device.

Apple Television? I just can't see Apple in the actual TV business (physical LCD/Plasma/OLED Televisions). It makes more sense for Apple to license this one bit of tech to TV makers instead of getting into the business themselves. It is one of those low margin games I don't see Apple chasing. Also takes up huge inventory space. But license tech to have Sony/LG/Sharp TVs with Apple TV inside would give them presence/profits with no inventory/margin issues.
 
Im close to buying the Logitech Revue Google TV device after having purchased one for my mother and she loves it. I've used it and while its a little clunky, the browser is pretty good and overall its not bad. With the upcoming honeycomb update coming to it Ill end up getting one unless .....

Apple could update the Apple TV with iOS and some more functionality, the app store and using my iPhone or iPad to control it etc. You get the point, but its likely Google will update this month so I may end up with one of those but I'd prefer an Apple device.
 
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They really need to resolve that big problem for it to be a finished product. It's still a "beta" device until then. The A5, 1080p and app store would just be icing on the cake.

yep, that's huge.
I have a MacPro and I hate to turn it on to watch something from my library.
Also if you have a laptop and you leave home your family cannot watch anything unless they have another Mac.

They need to address this and make sure ATV is capable to playback media without the need of a Mac.
 
Yep. They came out with Boxee.

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The Boxee Box is barely selling. AppleTV sells a TON more. Don't understimate the brand name of Apple, and the attention they can get, where someone else has failed. It's the most powerful brand name on the planet. I think an ATV3 with well thought out apps would be incredibly successful, and would move the ATV from a 'hobby' to a main product with significant sales. Yet another area that has ripe potential for domination. It's sad that SJ couldn't see this through, as I think it would have been his next logical focus, the next 'big thing'. They're already conquered the other form factors.
 
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No new hardware is necessary for 1080p playback.. A4 in present AppleTV is capable of it.. confirmed by so many tear down sites. Infact Real racing HD demoed 1080p video on present appleTV being driven from ipad2.. angry birds will be available in appleTV in a week via iOS 5 upgrade an wireless AirPlay screen mirroring or wired screen mirroring.. You use you iOS device as the controller
 
Yes. You set it up so that it doesn't store anyone's AppleID & Password. Then, when someone wants to buy or rent something, they'll have to enter their own.

For content already stored on various computers, it's pretty good about making it accessible when those various computers are turned on, iTunes running on them, and hooked to the network (wired or wifi).

Sadly, you have to keep logging in and out. It is not locked, but a pain in the neck...specifically for iTunes Sharing purposes. It would be nice to be able to have a couple of accounts.


That's not true at all. You can have different people with entirely different iTunes accounts logged in simultaneously with Home Sharing on the Apple TV2. Each account will show up under "Computers" and you can just click the one you want. There is no need to log in and out at all.

You likely don't have yours set up correctly.

I am having trouble reconciling the first two answers with the second two.

What I gather is that Apple TV can only access the iTunes content of multiple people's computers on the home network by entering each persons iTunes account details into Apple TV. But if you do this, when you rent a movie directly from Apple TV, will it ask which iTunes account to use and prompt for the password of that account or will anyone be able to select any iTunes account to rent the movie without any restrictions?
 
No new hardware is necessary for 1080p playback.. A4 in present AppleTV is capable of it.. confirmed by so many tear down sites. Infact Real racing HD demoed 1080p video on present appleTV being driven from ipad2.. angry birds will be available in appleTV in a week via iOS 5 upgrade an wireless AirPlay screen mirroring or wired screen mirroring.. You use you iOS device as the controller

This (the current one can play 1080p) has been posted many times before. However, as I understand it, while the A4 is powerful enough to decode 1080p files pretty well, there is a hardware limitation built in that sends downconverted 720p to the HDTV. I've been challenged on this again and again (mostly by the jailbreaking crowd who believe their's is pushing 1080p from this box to their TV) but no one has ever been able to point me to any information that absolutely shares that 1080p is leaving the box and arriving at the TV... even jailbroken.

So here you again say the current one can do it. How exactly? If you're referring to a jailbroken unit running XBMC or something else, fine. Please point us to where the information is that explicitly shares that 1080p can flow out of the device. People write comments like yours with such confidence, but I never see a link or anything that proves it is definitely being done. Instead, there is just insinuation that it is being done.

If you know that it can output 1080p for sure, maybe you could point us to a link. I'd love to learn that it really can, ideally without jailbreaking and using someone else's software, but I'd even be open to that. Link(s) please.
 
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I am having trouble reconciling the first two answers with the second two.

What I gather is that Apple TV can only access the iTunes content of multiple people's computers on the home network by entering each persons iTunes account details into Apple TV. But if you do this, when you rent a movie directly from Apple TV, will it ask which iTunes account to use and prompt for the password of that account or will anyone be able to select any iTunes account to rent the movie without any restrictions?

Just like on iOS devices, there is one place to enter the information for Home Sharing and there is a different place to enter account information for purchasing from the iTunes Store directly on the Apple TV.

Home Sharing allows you to have multiple different iTunes accounts sharing at once on the Apple TV without having to login and log out. However, for purchasing directly on the Apple TV, there is no way to have multiple accounts making purchases without entering the account information each time.

If you have multiple different accounts that will need to make purchases directly from the Apple TV, you can just choose to not save the information and it will ask you for it whenever you want to make a purchase.
 
Just like on iOS devices, there is one place to enter the information for Home Sharing and there is a different place to enter account information for purchasing from the iTunes Store directly on the Apple TV.

Home Sharing allows you to have multiple different iTunes accounts sharing at once on the Apple TV without having to login and log out. However, for purchasing directly on the Apple TV, there is no way to have multiple accounts making purchases without entering the account information each time.

If you have multiple different accounts that will need to make purchases directly from the Apple TV, you can just choose to not save the information and it will ask you for it whenever you want to make a purchase.

Thanks. That cleared it up for me.
 
I'm glad I'm not alone in wanting a full-scale Apple Cinema TV with a big LED screen and all the great video & gaming apps from the App Store.

The television is the only screen in my house that's not made by Apple. My music player, phone, tablet, laptop and desktop all come from Cupertino. It would be the final piece added to the media puzzle to make it all complete.

Most upscale TVs these days are media hubs with hard drives, wireless connections, built-in apps and streaming services. Surely Apple sees potential here, particularly since they control one of the major ecosystems in the media world, with iTunes and the upcoming iCloud.

I don't see them offering the full range of television screen sizes, just the ones that they've tested and feel are the perfect size. There's a reason the iPhone is 3.5", the iPad is around 10", and iMacs come in 21.5" and 27".

Maybe they would just say a 50" TV is ideal and be done with it.

There are a few analysts that think an iTV is inevitable, and I say they're right.
 
The Boxee Box is barely selling. AppleTV sells a TON more. Don't understimate the brand name of Apple, and the attention they can get, where someone else has failed.

I have not seen any numbers for Boxee sales. Nor sales for the AppleTV.
I suspect neither is in the millions.

Apple's magic is consistently creating products that are both unique and have a high value to consumers. They do this again and again.

As a massive Apple fanatic, I'd humbly suggest that on this one occasion, Apple have failed to deliver a high value product with the AppleTV. This has nothing to do with the technical specification, and everything to do with lack of affordable content.

For me, the Boxee Box was a much more valuable device, and I'm probably going to get a second unit.

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I have not seen any numbers for Boxee sales. Nor sales for the AppleTV.
I suspect neither is in the millions.

Apple's magic is consistently creating products that are both unique and have a high value to consumers. They do this again and again.

As a massive Apple fanatic, I'd humbly suggest that on this one occasion, Apple have failed to deliver a high value product with the AppleTV. This has nothing to do with the technical specification, and everything to do with lack of affordable content.

For me, the Boxee Box was a much more valuable device, and I'm probably going to get a second unit.

C.

Also in the case of Apple TV there were existing good solutions like Roku as well as "Smart TVs". This is a case where Apple would not be addressing a market that has been horribly served(f.e., MP3 players and smartphones).
 
There are a few analysts that think an iTV is inevitable, and I say they're right.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. I for one would never buy an all-in-one TV/Computer combo. When one component breaks, you lose the whole thing. I prefer to keep the TV as a display device, only.

Plus, my 65" TV was a bear to hang over my fireplace. I will NOT be doing that again, anytime soon. I do, however, have my current AppleTV plugged via HDMI into my AV receiver, which in turn broadcasts wirelessly to my TV.

People can plug the computer in a wall socket. People can plug a USB keyboard into their iMac. I have great faith that plugging an HDMI cable from an AppleTV into their current television is not too challenging, for the masses.
 
Apple could add and app store, and a wireless controller to replace the touch screen controls, and / or create an iPhone controller app.
While 1080p is a nice idea - the real problem is bandwidth caps that many ISPs have in place - you could hit the cap; and if Apple TV proves popular it will add a large load on the network, and of course current mac users would be d/l as well and assign to the network load.
The real battle will be between content providers and ISPs over bandwidth, with ISPs wanting a cut of the revenue intent providers get from things like streaming video. Band width caps are the first shot in that war.
 
I don't see them offering the full range of television screen sizes, just the ones that they've tested and feel are the perfect size. There's a reason the iPhone is 3.5", the iPad is around 10", and iMacs come in 21.5" and 27". Maybe they would just say a 50" TV is ideal and be done with it.

I think that's the fundamental problem with the concept. Unlike iPhones, iPads, and iMacs, unless Apple adds something exclusive to their television (beyond an Apple logo and a "it's so thin" shell), I don't see it selling that well. People live with 3.5" screen iPhones even when they want some other size because of the rest of the benefits that makes them willing to compromise on that one. With a TV, Apple would need a collection of other benefits to distinguish it from other TVs to make an buyer's decision about screen size be worth the compromise for those that would prefer some other size (than what Apple would choose).

How do that do that with iPhones, iPads, and iMacs? Lots of software benefits that are largely exclusive to those devices. Can they do that with their own television? Maybe, but then they would probably have to kill the :apple:TV as it's own little box and build it exclusively into their branded TV. Then, like iPhones, iMacs, iPads, they'll have unique Apple software delivering some great user experience for (their) TV buyers.

I just don't see them killing the :apple:TV box though. If I'm right about that, then all of the same software benefits would still be available on ANY television. If we could run iOS or OS X as fully and completely in an Apple-endorsed way on other hardware, I wonder if that would still make iPhones, iPads and iMacs so popular? This would be like that.

In other words, Apple deciding on screen sizes, etc for their customers in this device but still making the software side readily available to other televisions of other sizes, etc would- IMO- make the appeal of the Apple set much less. This is especially true if by sticking an Apple logo on someone else's panel, they also plug in the usual Apple margin. Let say they source their panel from LG. I would forsee the proposition being to buy the new Apple television for- say $2000 or buy the exact same panel in one branded LG for $1400. The Apple version comes with the next-generation OS & UI for :apple:TV or for $100 or so more you can attach a set-top box to that LG set and get the very same OS & UI. Net result is an identical experience for $500 less.

I think what allows Apple to get away with their margins is the complete ownership of hardware + software. If they split those out as it would appear it would be in this case, it's hard to imagine it selling that well to anyone other than those who are already sold on the exact hardware choices that Apple has made for them (stuff like that particular size, LED vs. LCD vs. Plasma, etc). Because of this, I don't believe the rumor of an Apple-branded television. But if there is one, I suspect the :apple:TV set-top box would have to be the casualty so that it can be the software hooks to help buyers justify the hardware compromises Apple chose for them.

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While 1080p is a nice idea - the real problem is bandwidth caps that many ISPs have in place - you could hit the cap; and if Apple TV proves popular it will add a large load on the network, and of course current mac users would be d/l as well and assign to the network load

But that's the case with 720p as well. It would be more efficient from a bandwidth perspective if we all went back to SD quality. Those files are smaller and burn less bandwidth.

And it would be even more efficient it we went back to VHS quality or even 320x200 video, as that would yield even smaller files and burn even less bandwidth.

It's certainly true that 1080p will tax bandwidth more than 720p as 720p taxes it more than SD. But rather than allowing that to be justification of why 720p or SD is good enough, it can instead be seen as a problem to be solved. Once, the biggest hard drives were 65Mb (yes Mb). But as storage demands have grown and grown, so solutions to limits have been innovated. If the world wants to pull more data through the Internet, the pipe expansion innovations will be necessary. That's going to happen anyway- whether 1080p is embraced or not- it's just progress.

On a personal scale, those dealing with ISP bandwidth caps and costs would still be able to do what those facing the same issues with 720p downloads now do: choose smaller options. If 1080p files are added to the iTunes store, I'm confident 720p and SD options will remain there too. For those with bandwidth concerns such that they are willing to compromise on resolution maximums, they just choose the 720p or SD version... exactly as they do now.
 
Even if there isn't a lot of 1080p content on iTunes yet, a 1080p output is going to look much better on the right display for photos and iOS mirroring. I'd like an ATV3 to link to my 1080p projector. I'm not going to get a 720p device at this stage so I hope the ATV3 isn't too far away.
 
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The new iPhone 4S shoots 1080p video, so of course people who have that device will want Apple TV to display what they shoot via AirPlay. Count on an Apple TV2 update soon.
 
could these rumors for an apple tv display actually be just an apple tv with a projector built in? Didn't they patent projector stuff for the iphone?

technology an issue?

you would still be able to connect to a regular tv if you wish.

Home theatre wise I think this would be amazing.
 
I would just get the Apple TV if it supports the App Store and Angry Birds on it! Man Angry Birds on my 46 inch Samsung TV. Now thats awesome!

From next week you can do that with video mirroring in ios5 and apple tv.

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Even if there isn't a lot of 1080p content on iTunes yet, a 1080p output is going to look much better on the right display for photos and iOS mirroring. I'd like an ATV3 to link to my 1080p projector. I'm not going to get a 720p device at this stage so I hope the ATV3 isn't too far away.

There isn't ANY 1080 content on itunes. Most home broadband providers simply don't have the necessary speed or bandwidth provision. Very happy appletv owner, the 720 content is great. It's a great, inexpensive little toy.

You want app store, games, bluetooth, 1080 content? Get a mac mini.
 
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The new iPhone 4S shoots 1080p video, so of course people who have that device will want Apple TV to display what they shoot via AirPlay. Count on an Apple TV2 update soon.



It's 1080p but the bit rate isn't that high. It will look just fine via the apple tv
 
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