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Apple isn't equipping their current lineup with the latest tech? Thats weird

Pretty much. As a mac fan, you should know 2 things about Apple.

1) They don't use other companies tech until its old.
2) They don't fully use their own new tech till it's old.
 
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"Both factors would reduce battery life."

Ya, thanks Phil.

Lets me get this straight. Apple is one-to-two generations behind? They REALLY must be keen on putting battery life first :p if u wanna sacrifice everything else.
 
Apple.... is not the same company. They are just into making money and no creating productive products. They are just creating fancy useless stuff.

They have no need to come up with a Mac Pro or a new iMac... for what? we are already making billions, if we need some push we could release an iMac or something but no reason to play our best cards if we are winning any way.

Totally agree, Tim's Apple it all about the bottom line and maximising margins on old tech in the soppily chain.
 
Intel has been the pinnacle manufacturer in the CPU industry for how long? 10 years or more? There is a reason for that. And if Apple wants to design an APU that will allow for LPDDR4 in the MBP they can go right ahead, but they will charge $5k for it and it will do nothing but fall short of every future Intel chip to come. I dont understand why everyone has their panties in a wad over RAM. You get a good CPU with great caching capabilities and you dont need the latest and greatest RAM. There is a reason Apple did what they did. That doesnt excuse the ridiculous price tag for the MBP however...
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Well said. And many feel that Ryzen STILL doesnt beat Kabylake...
It depends what you are doing. I run electromagnetic/optical simulation software and depending on the size of the structure I am simulating and the grid spacing it can consume a great deal of memory and the memory speed is more of a bottleneck than the processor speed.
 
we need to get rid of Tim and soon as possible, he is helping apple no doubt by making more money
but at what cost, destroying the company reputation by lowering product quality and by selling old obsolete hardware and refusing to use new hardware
why because it cost more to build the device and they make less profit
well do the samething you always do Tim raise the price but at least give the latest generation of hardware
and make a state of art system, a masterpiece
man i miss steve
i'm sure people will pay for it and won't complaint
i know mac os is a very solid optimized system and it doesn't require tons of gigs of ram
but if the person wants to put more ram, put and SSD that is their decision
why apple solder the ram to the board in some models, what the hell is that
so i have to take it to them and pay them to change the ram
so i have to order more ram at time of ordering online, so they can squeeze more money out of me
nice strategy Tim

apple can still make money by selling high quality products, that how it used to be when steve was in charge
but this man is taking the company to the ground when it comes to customer satisfaction

i don't have nothing personal against him but he needs to go
i just hope they replace him with someone better and not with someone worst

the first thing a new CEO has to do is make a new mac pro
the real original Pro that has been forgotten
get new people with new ideas
i don't have problem with apple making money but give me something worth the amount of money that i'm paying for that product

sorry for my bad english
 
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I know people always want the latest and the best, at leas that's what it says on paper.
But I'm typing this on the maxed out 2016 macbook pro model and I don't get the complaints.
I'm a very very heavy user, and the software management of MacOS is just great. My windows computer which in theory should be much faster (desktop i7 (5ghz), 32gb ddr4 ram, gtx 1080).
while in reality my macbook pro feels much faster for programming and video editing, i only use windows for gaming.

Back to the point, the macbook pro is just a beast, and i wonder if people ever use max ram/cpu for a long period of time, cause for me everything seems to go quite fast.

I agree. I have a maxed out 5k retina iMac and it handles anything I could throw at it except non stop video conversion. Even then one would have a much more beastly rig for something like that. No complaints about speed for me and what I do. Actually it showed me how slow Adobe products are lol.
 
Lets just cut to the chase.

Apple no longer care about Macs and any they do produce are no more than fashion accessories.

The only decent model left in the Mac range is the 27" 5k iMac which Apple will no doubt destroy in the next revision.

Its barely a decent model, last updated in December 2015.
 
Apple.... is not the same company. They are just into making money and no creating productive products. They are just creating fancy useless stuff.

They have no need to come up with a Mac Pro or a new iMac... for what? we are already making billions, if we need some push we could release an iMac or something but no reason to play our best cards if we are winning any way.


This entire argument is Stupid. Remember the Intel/AMD chip wars on MHZ, in the end they became meaningless, it is entirely the system architecture that dominates the user perception of performance in modern consumer electronics. Everything else you read here is marketing hype.
 
Intel processors don't support LPDDR4 yet, Kaby Lake only supports it on ultra-low power, and Cannonlake has no plans for it, Apple's hands are tied in this part.

Desktops are another matter entirely.

How dare you give people real facts and interrupt the Apple bashing? :p
 
The title if this article is pretty inflammatory, and it sounds like alot of people posting in this thread didn't get past the headline.

From reading the article thiugh, I think this just gives apple more reason to move away from Intel, and maybe on to their own solution (ARM?) for their laptops and maybe even desktops at some point.
 
Again....the CPU

Again...the CPU and its caching capabilities are far more important. You really want to replace Sky or Kaby with an ultra low power CPU just to get the latest standard of RAM? I dont think you'll be pleased with that result...
Yes, I agree RAM is not the choking point here at all, it is just an easy target for people to jab at. That's sort of the point of my post, hope you didn't misunderstand. I wasn't critiquing Apple, but rather the inept article and especially the headline - talk about fake news!!
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The title if this article is pretty inflammatory, and it sounds like alot of people posting in this thread didn't get past the headline.

From reading the article thiugh, I think this just gives apple more reason to move away from Intel, and maybe on to their own solution (ARM?) for their laptops and maybe even desktops at some point.
I think this will only happen at this point if Apple can show off benchmarks showing they can outperform Intel chips...being "good enough" or "equivalent" won't cut it to convince non-hard core Apple users, i.e. the general consumer.
 
I'm convinced that Apple could have killed the Current MBA.
Used the current MacBook Pro as teh new "Air"
and then released a more robust Pro that also hits everything the "PRO" people are screaming about. Keeping it with 3 computers in their lineup

MacBook for the ultra portable crowd
MacBook Air 2 for those looking for the thin and light with decent performance and the touchbar
MacBook Pro 2: where Performance is #1 and "thin and light" take a back seat
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Incorrect:

you could get DDR4 on B, Z and X chipsets starting in 2014 on broadwell. (I have built several machines as early as 2014 using DDR4)
Incorrect. The mainstream socket 1150 was ddr 3 only. You may have built them but it would have been workstation class only. Take a look at Wikipedia page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150
 
I agree. I just built a hackintosh because I got bloody tired of waiting for Apple to release a product that I would be interested in buying. It's not the money, but what you get for the money. For example, the new MacBook Pro is so overpriced for what you get - fixed RAM, fixed SSD, only 16GB RAM and only one connection type which requires a bunch of dongles selling for a $1000 more than my current MBP which has much more functionality other than the touch bar. No thanks.

The Hackintosh I built was very much similar to the original Mac Pros in design but to get something similar in a genuine Apple would have cost twice as much.


that's why i build a hackintosh, i like macs and i love mac os but the problem is not the price, the problem is that i can't update the hardware the way i want.
 
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Apple isn't equipping their current lineup with the latest tech? Thats weird

I'm sure Tim will spin it just right.
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except almost everyone else is already on DDR4

And for power draw, DDR4 = LPDDR3. LPDDR4 will be even better overall, but keeping DDR3 for LPPDDR3 is absolutely a money saving item and has nothing to do with power draw / performance.

Yeah, no one can legitimately defend Apple on this one.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but Apple tend to use the 'L' variant of memory for power efficiency. When DDR5 comes around they won't be using it straight away.
 
We are overdue an update of both Mac desktops and portables in our business. Apple just don't seem to be able to get ahead of the game anymore with performance or technology - they only seem to be able to push upward on price. The stuff may look lovely but bang for buck its just not worth the investment. Its a real shame that the sector that originally grew Apple is being so badly treated. 'We haven't forgotten the pro users', 'we've got something planned', doesn't hack it any more Tim - you need to deliver the goods - not talk about it.
 
Mid 2012 MacBook Pro with retina: that was a great machine. Intels laptop-ready processors have not improved much since then. Very hard to justify buying a MacBook Pro. I'm hoping Apple move to inhouse chips ASAP. Otherwise I'm stuck on an iMac next time (talking pro machines).

If you have anything from 2012 onwards that serves your needs, I think the only good reason to buy one now is if you old one kicks the bucket
 
What does this mean to the average user?
I noticed a speed difference between 5400rpm, 7200rpm, and SSDs but faster RAM?
 
Apple doesn't believe in updating their computers, so why bother reporting on tech advances anymore?

The new MacBook Pro 13" could have been the best 13" on the planet if Apple hadn't gimped it with such a terrible battery and such an horrendous price.

It can be a great computer with a higher capacity battery, Kaby Lake based 28w CPU, DDR4 RAM and a lower pricepoint for all configs. The other components in the machine are top notch and build quality exceptional.
 
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