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My 2 wishes are simple. a/ Non reflective screen
& b/ Get rid of shiny ugly apple in front of face

What's with this shiny shiny SHINY SHINY SHINY freek zone?

bonus feature, get rid of slim form factor and put some real desktop components in it. Who cares how fat it is when its up against the wall? Answer, the movie makers?
 
My 2 wishes are simple. a/ Non reflective screen
& b/ Get rid of shiny ugly apple in front of face

What's with this shiny shiny SHINY SHINY SHINY freek zone?

bonus feature, get rid of slim form factor and put some real desktop components in it. Who cares how fat it is when its up against the wall? Answer, the movie makers?

Agreed on the shiny finish of the screen, at least lessen the glare. Don't care about the logo, I kind of like it. Why would movie makers be the only ones who care if it is thin? That does not make sense. I think the fact that it is tnin is a great selling point. Many of my friends have an iMac as the family computer and having smething that is clean and understated on space use and visual bulk is a significant issue.
 
Well, they have 3 or 4 models now right? Why not have the fourth, and best one, be a few centimetres thicker, and say have a desktop 4850 while the other 24" iMac has a Laptop 4850. And even put 4870's in there if possible.
 
prior to about six weeks ago, the paperwork to license blu-ray was horribly complex and nasty. this and the price was part of the 'bag of hurt' that Jobs spoke about previously. hurt because you had to talk independently to like 10 different folks and if even one said no or wanted to jack up the price for his little part of the puzzle, you were over a barrel.

So what is it about Apple that means they're so incompetent, they can't do what Sony, HP, Acer, Medion, Compaq, Advent, Packard Bell have managed to do and sort out this 'hurt'.

Acer sell a 17" Laptop - with a Bluray drive - for <£400.

It's time to wake up.
 
Blue ray

Not sure if Apple will include Blue Ray, possibly a SD card slot.

Optical drives Blue Ray/ DVD will disappear soon within next 5 years as broadband speeds get faster 1Gbit per second now in the far east, with some countries with 16GBits ps home connections. Movies will just be bought off the net from Itunes as an example. Why buy a movie on DVD/ Blue ray as Apple gets no money for this so does not fit in with there business model they have invested to much in the itunes store

With also Movies shipping on SD cards now also and 1 TB cards due soon. SD card will probably replace optical media as this will allow for more space in the laptops for bigger batteries possibly with 20-30 Hours battery life. as a result and SD card cannot get scratched and are more durable than optical media

I think the new imacs will have: USB3, New led backlight Screens
 
Not sure if Apple will include Blue Ray, possibly a SD card slot.

Yes, SD card slot is a lock I think. BR, not so sure, no reports yet of SL supporting BR playback. Burn support may come in update. And for that respect the Mac Pro and the MacBook Pro would get it first, IMO.

Optical drives Blue Ray/ DVD will disappear soon within next 5 years as broadband speeds get faster 1Gbit per second now in the far east, with some countries with 16GBits ps home connections. Movies will just be bought off the net from Itunes as an example.

People still cling to VHS still. And floppies. And 8-track. LPs are still really popular. And tube amplifiers.

Optical in general purpose computers not going anywhere for a long time. Its too cheap to add a DVD burner to a computer. Related, it is just too dang cheap to distribute movies, TV seasons and application data on CDs and DVDs. The internal infrastructure cost to effectively online distribute all media content would be massive and expensive. More so than all but a tiny handful of companies could afford.

As well, there are no plans for my area [top 200 metro in US] to have any upgrade to the broadband infrastructure by the cableco or the phone guys. In fact, I can't even get DSL at my house, and I am in the just off the main part of the central area of the city. Kudos to you if you can get 1,000 Mb service, but that is in no way indicative of the rest of the US by a long shot.

With also Movies shipping on SD cards now also and 1 TB cards due soon. SD card will probably replace optical media as this will allow for more space in the laptops for bigger batteries possibly with 20-30 Hours battery life. as a result and SD card cannot get scratched and are more durable than optical media

Who the heck ships movies on SD cards for home use?? For $5-10? I don't see SD replacing optical for many years, until at least SD cards can be sold [not made] for less that $.05 per GB, sold in huge packs of 50 and 100, like CD-Rs are now. Movies will come on SD when SD can be mass made for studios for less that $.01 per unit, multi-GB. But, by then we will probably have 1TB silly-putty drives. [not-so-solid-state drives that you can play with and repro the sunday funnies. Cool scanner :) ]

I think the new imacs will have: USB3,

No

New led backlight Screens

Yes
 
Not sure if Apple will include Blue Ray, possibly a SD card slot.

Optical drives Blue Ray/ DVD will disappear soon within next 5 years as broadband speeds get faster 1Gbit per second now in the far east, with some countries with 16GBits ps home connections. Movies will just be bought off the net from Itunes as an example. Why buy a movie on DVD/ Blue ray as Apple gets no money for this so does not fit in with there business model they have invested to much in the itunes store

With also Movies shipping on SD cards now also and 1 TB cards due soon. SD card will probably replace optical media as this will allow for more space in the laptops for bigger batteries possibly with 20-30 Hours battery life. as a result and SD card cannot get scratched and are more durable than optical media

Apple will have a Blu-ray BTO option in almost the entire line within 12 months.

Ask Tallest Skil, who fought it tooth and nail far more convincingly that you are.

The US is in the Greatest Depression which will last for at least a decade. Broadband speeds (infrastructure) will not come anywhere near the necessary level to transmit a high definition Blu-ray quality movie in less than 48+ hours for a decade, possibly a decade and a half.

Those irritating (for a small minority) plastic discs are going to be around for quite awhile. This argument is like someone without a single LP in their house in 1964 giving vinyl discs two years to last because of 8-track tapes being "on the horizon".

Clueless.

:apple:
 
The US is in the Greatest Depression which will last for at least a decade.

:confused:

Um, in case you haven't looked at a graph of the Dow Jones Industrial Average lately, it's around 9600 points. Far better than March, which was the worst part of the recession. I've attached a picture for you.

Unemployment is still the big problem. I don't think the people who have lost a job will get their old one back; there's been too much downsizing. Maybe a 7-9% unemployment rate is new norm.
 

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Not sure if Apple will include Blue Ray, possibly a SD card slot.

Optical drives Blue Ray/ DVD will disappear soon within next 5 years as broadband speeds get faster 1Gbit per second now in the far east, with some countries with 16GBits ps home connections.

the way the US gov't is waffling on the broadband issue and who is going to pay for it, it could take more than 5 years.

Movies will just be bought off the net from Itunes as an example.

this Movies Extra thing is clearly a step in that direction but only a handful of titles are available. we need more studios in the fray, on back titles, tv seasons etc. give it a solid year and see where it stands and then we will see

With also Movies shipping on SD cards now also and 1 TB cards due soon.

again title lists are small. also prices are rather high to be useable at this point. perhaps in a couple of years we can better judge.

SD card will probably replace optical media as this will allow for more space in the laptops for bigger batteries possibly with 20-30 Hours battery life. as a result and SD card cannot get scratched and are more durable than optical media

both very valid points. but until SD really hits the market hard, those drives will still be used for data storage and prior purchased disks. they will likely drop off in the laptops first with the difference split between bigger batteries and bigger hard drives. Apple putting in the SD slots could be an experiment in that direction. although I wish they had kept the ExpressCarde in the larger models and let users swap between an SD, esata etc. I used to use esata with externals for video footage and now I have to move up to a clumsier to carry 17 inch when my current 15 (which was the perfect size) dies.

I would like to see them add ExpressCard to the iMacs (at least the top model) with the same options. some prosumers don't have the money or really the need to invest in a full tower but do use Final Cut etc. they could even do it as sold in store with SD in the space but you could custom order it online with an open slot for switching as needed.

I think the new imacs will have: USB3, New led backlight Screens

if usb3 is ready sure.

as for the backlight, I believe they might already. I remember seeing complaints about backlight issues even on the ones from this time last year
 
:confused:

Um, in case you haven't looked at a graph of the Dow Jones Industrial Average lately, it's around 9600 points. Far better than March, which was the worst part of the recession. I've attached a picture for you.

Check back with me in a mere six weeks. I think you're about to be blindsided. Again.

:apple:
 
Optical is going to be around for a long, long time due to simple economics. Price to produce dual layer 50gb is Dow to less than $1 including package, label and ship. When you can get 50gb SD for $1 we'll talk.

I think Apple (wisely) waited a while to see what adoption rates look like for BD. Adoption rates are stronger than analysts expected and Apple's hand will be forced. They will have to support BD or they will appear technologically inept.
 
:confused:

Um, in case you haven't looked at a graph of the Dow Jones Industrial Average lately, it's around 9600 points. Far better than March, which was the worst part of the recession. I've attached a picture for you.

Unemployment is still the big problem. I don't think the people who have lost a job will get their old one back; there's been too much downsizing. Maybe a 7-9% unemployment rate is new norm.

You are only looking at one index. And before the recession, DOW was at 14,000+. Not to mention GDP numbers and other index like Nikkei, STOXX, FTSE, etc. In short, it will be close to decade before we go back to where we were.
 
The only thing compelling would be a quad core / core i7 imac with 2 x esata, 2 x firewire and maby two internal disks with easy access to change/upgrade.
 
I think Apple (wisely) waited a while to see what adoption rates look like for BD. Adoption rates are stronger than analysts expected and Apple's hand will be forced. They will have to support BD or they will appear technologically inept.

And now that the Blu-ray Disc Association offers a one-stop licensing term for Blu-ray technology, I think the final financial hurdle for Apple MacBook Pros, iMacs and Mac Pros adopting BD-RE drives is gone. If you look at the MacBook Pro, iMac and Mac Pro hardware, Apple just needs to drop in a BD-RE drive and incorporate an extension to MacOS 10.6.x for playing back Blu-ray discs and to record BD-R and BD-RE discs.
 
...core i7 imac with 2 x esata...

Ask for eSATA that's port-multiplier capable - with a PM you can put 5 eSATA drives on each port (or 5 eSATA RAID arrays).

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http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/extpm.asp


The illustration assumes a PCIe card with 4 eSATA ports in the mini-tower - you can't daisy-chain PMs.

The 5 drives share the 3.0 Gbps of the eSATA port - but that's over 350 MB/sec per set of 5 drives.
 
And now that the Blu-ray Disc Association offers a one-stop licensing term for Blu-ray technology, I think the final financial hurdle for Apple MacBook Pros, iMacs and Mac Pros adopting BD-RE drives is gone. If you look at the MacBook Pro, iMac and Mac Pro hardware, Apple just needs to drop in a BD-RE drive and incorporate an extension to MacOS 10.6.x for playing back Blu-ray discs and to record BD-R and BD-RE discs.

HP has had laptop with blu-ray drives for at least 2 years. what is the big deal about licensing?
 
HP has had laptop with blu-ray drives for at least 2 years. what is the big deal about licensing?

Previously a company offering Blu-Ray players in their machines had to obtain licensing from about a dozen different companies (something HP, apparently was willing to do).

All Blu-Ray licensing now goes through a single entity at a single price.

The only real hurdle for Apple is how to incorporate the very intrusive Blu-Ray copyright protection into their OS. They have previously indicated an unwillingness to put Blu-Ray copyright protection mechanisms deep into OS X, which would be needed to implement Blu-Ray playback on Macs.
 
Previously a company offering Blu-Ray players in their machines had to obtain licensing from about a dozen different companies (something HP, apparently was willing to do).

All Blu-Ray licensing now goes through a single entity at a single price.

The only real hurdle for Apple is how to incorporate the very intrusive Blu-Ray copyright protection into their OS. They have previously indicated an unwillingness to put Blu-Ray copyright protection mechanisms deep into OS X, which would be needed to implement Blu-Ray playback on Macs.

Apple may have problems because they want to put everything in the OS, but with HP you get a drive, an OEM copy of PowerDVD to play the disks and drivers from Nvidia or ATI. Each company updates it's software independently so there is no need to kill yourself with licensing. very simple

a lot of blu-ray disks will also come with their own player that you can install and play most other disks
 
... what is the big deal about licensing?

"Bag of Hurt" was just the RDF in full swing.

Apple has frequently said questionable things to justify something in their current product line, in order to convince customers that they really didn't want something even though they thought they did.

For example, "who would want a video Ipod?".
 
Apple may have problems because they want to put everything in the OS, but with HP you get a drive, an OEM copy of PowerDVD to play the disks and drivers from Nvidia or ATI. Each company updates it's software independently so there is no need to kill yourself with licensing. very simple

a lot of blu-ray disks will also come with their own player that you can install and play most other disks

That's simply not true and is misinformed. You need to have a compliant motherboard and video card and appropriate drivers to meet compliancy requirements and allow the output of a Blu-Ray movie via HDMI or DVI to a display.

Blu-Ray AACS has taken copyright protection to an inane level and has actually hindered its inclusion on computers.

I would still like to see a Blu-Ray burner on a Mac with native software support for playback and authoring but we should not fool ourselves that there's anything simple about it.

Last time I checked, Apple was complaining that they would actually have to put in Kernel level support for Blu-Ray copyright protection, something they really did not want to have to do.
 
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