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The really interesting one is the new Xeon L3426. It's a "Lynnfield" core, with Hyperthreading and Turbo (so it would qualify as a "Core i7" on the desktop,) but it only uses 45W max power, as opposed to all the other Lynnfield-derived processors' 95W. Its base clock is "only" 1.86 GHz, but it has an amazing Turbo ratio that lets it boost up to 3.2 GHz. That's even better than the just-released mobile Core i7, which has the 2.0 GHz chip that boosts to 3.2 GHz.

If any Xeon is to go into an iMac, I imagine it would be that one. To top it off, that Xeon is only $284 in quantity, whereas the equivalent mobile i7 (the "Extreme" series which boosts to 3.2 GHz) is a whopping $1000! (And draws 10W more power.) The next i7 down, with a lower base speed, and a lower Turbo speed, is still over $500 (with the same 45W power draw.) So putting this low-power 'desktop' Xeon in just makes sense.
I agree this actually makes a lot of sense. The last time the iMac was updated Apple had intel make a special run of mobile processors that were overclocked over their existing chips (the 3.06 GHz version that uses 55W).

I could see the iMac.

iMac 20" Core 2 Duo
iMac 24" Core 2 Duo
iMac 24" Xeon L3426 1.86 Ghz
iMac 24" Xeon L3426 ~2.2 Ghz
 
The Core 2 Quad was actually out the last time they updated. It does not contain the TurboBoost feature that the nehalem architecture has. That means that you are taking a performance hit on your existing 2 cores by adding 2 more cores into the chip. So real world performance was better with a higher clocked dual core. With TurboBoost the chips will automatically switch over to a higher clocked dual or single core chip to provide the best performance possible.
Let me be more specific. Why didn't Apple slap in a QX9300, etc. into the iMac or some special Q84x5 (a la E8435) when Core 2 Quad at 45/55W came out?

I agree this actually makes a lot of sense. The last time the iMac was updated Apple had intel make a special run of mobile processors that were overclocked over their existing chips (the 3.06 GHz version that uses 55W).

I could see the iMac.

iMac 20" Core 2 Duo
iMac 24" Core 2 Duo
iMac 24" Xeon L3426 1.86 Ghz
iMac 24" Xeon L3426 ~2.2 Ghz
They'd have to change the BCLK on Lynnfield.
 
Definitely needs an upgrade. Yesterday, I was about to replace my Mighty Mouse until I found this: Multi-touch Mighty Mouse

apple-multi-touch-mouse.jpg


The entire mouse seems to be the multi-touch trackpad. No more ball scrolling.

That article dates back to december 2008. Imagine you wanted to buy a new mouse back in december and yoi discovered that article. You would have been waiting 9 months already lol!
 
Let me be more specific. Why didn't Apple slap in a QX9300, etc. into the iMac or some special Q84x5 (a la E8435) when Core 2 Quad at 45/55W came out?
Who knows, my guess is they already had the transition to the new Xeon or Clarksfield in the work and decided not to.

They'd have to change the BCLK on Lynnfield.
Good point. With the previous one it was just a change to the multiplier.
 
Just Trackpad?

im hoping that the "new mouse" will just be a sheet of something sort of as a standalone trackpad (like on a notebook) just movable with clicky buttons at the bottom, hope the remote is good as well and that both the mouse and the remote can be bought separately and are compatible with all aluminium imacs :D
 
Who knows, my guess is they already had the transition to the new Xeon or Clarksfield in the work and decided not to.
How about Apple is the only company that can charge over $1,000 for a dual core laptop on a stick and call it a desktop? :rolleyes:

The quad core iMac has been a desire since Intel released the QX6700 back in November 2006.

Good point. With the previous one it was just a change to the multiplier.
Only if it's unlocked.
 
The Quad-Core Mobile Processors Core i7 "Clarksfield" (45 nm) Core i7-720QM BX80607I7720QM is $364 in moderate quantity.

It uses economical and fast memory:

2 x DDR3-1333
The Xeon L3426 uses the same memory, is cheaper at $284, and is faster.
 
The Quad-Core Mobile Processors Core i7 "Clarksfield" (45 nm) Core i7-720QM BX80607I7720QM is $364 in moderate quantity.
Dell already has the i7 720QM out in the Studio 15 notebook for $999. :eek:

The Xeon L3426 uses the same memory, is cheaper at $284, and is faster.
Saying DIMM vs. SODIMM would have been enough. The P55/H57 platform is great for Micro ATX and Mini ITX.
 
I would speculate:

$999 2.66Ghz C2D 2GB/500GB/9400M
$1299 2.8Ghz C2D 4GB/1TB/9400M
$1699 3.0Ghz C2D 4GB/1TB/240M GT
$1999 1.86/3.2Ghz L3426 4GB/1.5TB/240M GT (with BTO 260M GTX, 8GB, 2TB, etc)

The only caveat I have relates to ECC RAM - if its required on the L3426 or not. I don't know if there is a lot of ECC SODIMMs out there.

And yea, the turbo speeds on the L3426 are awesome - if the cooling can handle it, it runs at 2.13Ghz with 4 or 3 cores active, 3.06 at 2 cores and 3.2GHz at 1 core.

The L3426 looks way better than the Clarksfield options.

I wonder if Intel makes them call it a "Pro" just so all the other vendors don't skip Clarksfield CPUs for the Xeon L3426s.

I don't know if we'll get BR though. I would presume Apple would probably want to put BR into all their "pro" models at once (either as standard or BTO options). Maybe we see it now, or in February...
 
Exactly I don't want to see Core 2 Quad, hell even Xeon. I want to see the new Core i7 mobile. Its very efficient(even compared to the top mark Core 2 Duos), and better than the Core 2 Quad in every way.
 
Let me be more specific. Why didn't Apple slap in a QX9300, etc. into the iMac or some special Q84x5 (a la E8435) when Core 2 Quad at 45/55W came out?

Mobile Quads were expensive like the QX9300.

Desktop version of Quad Core 65W was just available in the year 2009 (i think) only and they are 65Watts not 55/45watts. I think by that time itself, the intel road map was clear with Core i5/i7 desktop/mobile. Surely apple hates to redesign the motherboard and the internals for every 6 months (because of so many sockets LGA775/1156/1136 and mobile sockets previous/m989 (now) )

No one know what apple planned to do then and now (as well) :rolleyes:
 
Dell already has the i7 720QM out in the Studio 15 notebook for $999. :eek:
Sadly all that beautiful power comes in an ugly Dell case(they have a business E series that doesn't look terrible, but most of Dell devices are ugly). They should have made it $1150 and gave it a better design.
 
Mobile Quads were expensive like the QX9300.

Desktop version of Quad Core 65W was just available i think 2009 only and they are 65Watts not 55/45watts. I think by that time itself, the intel road map was clear with Core i5/i7 desktop/mobile. Surely apple hates to redesign the motherboard and the internals for every 6 months (because of so many sockets LGA775/1156/1136 and mobile sockets previous/m98 (now) )

No one know what apple planned to do then and now (as well) :rolleyes:
No need to redesign when you have the Q9100 and Q9000 for Socket P. Take a look at the prices on those. :rolleyes:

The E84x5 series doesn't show up anywhere else but at Apple either. LGA 775 isn't the only path for Core 2 Quad and Intel seems to be happy to supply Apple with processor models out of the blue. Not to mention the 150W X5365.
 
The only caveat I have relates to ECC RAM - if its required on the L3426 or not. I don't know if there is a lot of ECC SODIMMs out there.
My guess is ECC memory is optional. Many of the Xeon based workstations you can order with or without ECC memory. Apple could probably just use normal SODIMMs.
 
Exactly I don't want to see Core 2 Quad, hell even Xeon. I want to see the new Core i7 mobile. Its very efficient(even compared to the top mark Core 2 Duos), and better than the Core 2 Quad in every way.
The Xeon L3426 and Core i7 mobile are nearly identical.
 
Also, remember that these Lynnfield-based chips are very power efficient at idle - under 90W for an entire desktop system vs 115-120W for a Core i7 system.

Apple just put up that new evnironmental section, it would be no surprise to hear them tout the power consumption characteristics of a new top of the line iMac.
 
The intel Xeon in higher end rumor is just stupid thinking, thats not gonna happen.
Yes, very true.

I would say quad core for sure, there is no way Apple can hold off that any longer in the iMac.
I agree and this has already been discussed at length in the original "Next-Generation iMacs Already in Production" thread from just yesterday.

Better graphics cards for sure. Probably still Nvidia integrated in the lower end models and the upper 2 Nvidia GT200 series cards.
However, the NVIDIA 9400M can't be used with the new Core i7 Mobile. That's why I've been suggesting that Apple might keep the current Core 2 Duo and 9400M in the low-end 20" iMac. This means that any Core i7 Mobile iMac will have to use a discrete GPU (for the time being, might change next year). That's perhaps the only real sticking point in this rumor about Apple using the Core i7 Mobile in the next iMac update.
 
When are we going to see an official announcement by apple for a media event? This upcoming week?
 
:eek: ... :::imagines a world where the macmouse doesnt have a top trackball that permanently breaks within a month of owning it::::: :rolleyes:
I have two from about 2006, one gets used as my work mouse, yes it needs a clean every 2 weeks but still works, the other gets periodic use and is fine,

When oh when will we see a proper mac desktop, no screen, quad core desktop processor, changeable graphics card, 3+ drive bays. I have no interest in an imac but a pro is just too much cash
 
OK, lets say there is a new option for a quad-core system. Who in there right mind will not get one...ME. Thanks

Ok, so I lied. I will get one and you will too
 
While a new mouse sounds exciting, Apple has a history of making some of the worst mice on the market, so I don't think I'll be replacing my MX Revolution any time soon.
 
No need to redesign when you have the Q9100 and Q9000 for Socket P. Take a look at the prices on those. :rolleyes:

The E84x5 series doesn't show up anywhere else but at Apple either. LGA 775 isn't the only path for Core 2 Quad and Intel seems to be happy to supply Apple with processor models out of the blue. Not to mention the 150W X5365.

QX9300/X9100/Q9100/Q9000
$1058/$851/$851/$348

priced expensive even today!

and snow leopard was not available that time (to really take all the four core processing power) ;) - remember there was a debate faster duals vs slower quads?

it is glad that even though it is late, apple finally going to put quads into imacs!
 
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