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Next Generation Intel Platform (Santa Rosa) Tracking For May

ictiosapiens said:
Not entirely true... They are soldered on the portables, but are swapable on the imac and the mini... A couple of guys did it on a mini with some merom samples and succeded...
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You're right; my response was perhaps a bit too quick. I was talking about the portables 😉
 
Rocketman said:
I seem to have my ear to above average ground and many of my "predictions" have been pretty close.

So here we go . . . . .

iTV 3-07
iPhone 6-07

iMac Santa Rosa 6-07
Mac-Mini C2D 6-07
MacBook Pro Santa Rosa late 7-07
MacBook Santa Rosa 9-07
iMac C2Q late 7-07 dieshrink version

MacPro Octo announced at NAB, shipping 7-07
MPO bundles:
Adobe CS3
FC Extreme
Logic Extreme / Audoi apps

Leopard 10.5.0 May 1 and 10.5.1 delivered at WWDC-07 in time to be installed on most "new" Macs.

There. Anything "sooner" is a win. Anything missing entirely or more than 2 months later is a loss. I am shooting for a 70% record. Buy Apple stock.

Rocketman
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This release schedule doesn't make sense. What will they release towards Christmas to drum up sales again?

Apple typically has 2 releases in the year for their laptops, one at the 1/2 half of the year and another closer to Christmas. Maybe we will see refreshes on the existing models with HD displays to take advantage of Leopard's resolution independence during Leopard's launch, and then another real update to SR during Christmas season.
 
ictiosapiens said:
Not entirely true... They are soldered on the portables, but are swapable on the imac and the mini... A couple of guys did it on a mini with some merom samples and succeded...
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Well I don't think that can be possible for the newer Santa Rosa based chips with 800Mhz FSB unless you can desolder the intel chipset and replace it with an i965 one as well 🙁
 
Looking at intel's game compatability list for the x3000 there are still quite some issues with several games. For example Half Life 2 is not playable:

Half-Life* 2 game is not playable due to low frame rates (frames per second or FPS).

This issue has been recently reported and is currently being investigated. There is no workaround at this time. Additional information may be available at the game manufacturer's website.
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But of course; the drivers are still under development so I'm sure this will be resolved in time...

Does anybody know a good comparison chart comparing the x3000 to high-end mobile gpu's from ATI and NVIDIA? And how does the x3000 perform in comparisson with the current x1600?
 
Steve

Ultimatetone said:
FINALLY -

This is what I have been waiting for from INTEL!

Hey Steve (J) - You're on top of this, right?


Ultimatetone
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This is but one of the reasons that the Intel roadmap
persuaded Steve to switch over when he did......
He's on top of it, behind it, and under it....
 
Intel Chipset

iW00t said:
Well I don't think that can be possible for the newer Santa Rosa based chips with 800Mhz FSB unless you can desolder the intel chipset and replace it with an i965 one as well 🙁
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I don't believe the chip is soldered onto the motherboard
of the iMac or Mini......
 
New models WWDC to coincide with 10.5

I believe they will update @ WWDC to take advantage of 10.5's new features, as new hardware would compliment it nicely, esp. new video cards. However, it is entirely possible they will wait and do a "quiet" refresh later so as to divert all attention to 10.5 vs. Vista. I have learned to expect the worst in terms of timeliness as of late.

I hope they do not wait to update the MBP, it is high time they put more emphasis on the Pro lines, updating them BEFORE the iMac, which is traditionally not a powerhouse anyway.

I for one will likely be investing in a black MB since I can no longer wait for "the next best mac", and will add a MBP later in the summer after 10.5.x whenever they get new video cards or features to TRULY differentiate them from the consumer line. The Macbooks are so (relatively) cheap per Ghz that it is not so much a big deal, as it was with the 12" PBs which were truly an investment! (And had features accordingly.)
 
Waiting for new Mac mini

I'm still using my first Mac ever (Mac mini G4/1.42GHz, upgraded to 80GB/5400RPM and 1GB myself), and I'll be waiting for Leopard, iLife '07, Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz and XMA3000 before I buy a new one.
 
Chips

Yvan256 said:
This is the chipset, not the CPU.
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Ok, I asked this question before but no one answered. As I've built PC's back in my Windows days, I know that most motherboards (i.e. Mac Logicboards) can be upgraded with newer/faster chips assuming the chip matched the boards socket. There has been talk that a few Mac Pro users/developers were able to take out the dual core chips and replace them with two of the new Intel Quad Core Processors, thus producing an Octo Mac Pro (which is assumed to be announced by Steve Jobs as a new addition to the Mac Pro line). As a current Mac Pro 2.66 owner, will this be possible with my system? That is, when Apple switched to Intel Processors, did they also begin using motherboards that would be on par with a PC system [and thus upgradeable]? Thanks.
 
4np said:
Looking at intel's game compatability list for the x3000 there are still quite some issues with several games. For example Half Life 2 is not playable:



But of course; the drivers are still under development so I'm sure this will be resolved in time...

Does anybody know a good comparison chart comparing the x3000 to high-end mobile gpu's from ATI and NVIDIA? And how does the x3000 perform in comparisson with the current x1600?
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I answered this here.

Secondly, Intel HASN'T released a Windows driver that unlocks the hardware Transform & Lighting. It's still running via software mode.
 
Cult Follower said:
This is really exciting, macs are moving along a lot faster after the intel switch.
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But remember...Intel sucks. 🙄 Macrumors should create a best of stupid posts.

Everyone who said the iPod would fail. That the transition to X86 would doom Apple. And that the iPhone would fai....wait. Not so sure on that one. 😛
 
CJD2112 said:
Ok, I asked this question before but no one answered. As I've built PC's back in my Windows days, I know that most motherboards (i.e. Mac Logicboards) can be upgraded with newer/faster chips assuming the chip matched the boards socket. There has been talk that a few Mac Pro users/developers were able to take out the dual core chips and replace them with two of the new Intel Quad Core Processors, thus producing an Octo Mac Pro (which is assumed to be announced by Steve Jobs as a new addition to the Mac Pro line). As a current Mac Pro 2.66 owner, will this be possible with my system? That is, when Apple switched to Intel Processors, did they also begin using motherboards that would be on par with a PC system [and thus upgradeable]? Thanks.
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You can't replace the mobo. Apple is using EFI instead of BIOS. Also when you install OS X it does some "stuff" with the Trusted Computing Chip on the mobo that verifies that its a Mac. I'm pretty sure if you replaced the mobo with a newer one OS X would give you a nice fat error. Then there is drivers. Your copy of OS X doesn't have drivers for SR.

EDIT: If you are talking the CPU...yah. The pinout hasn't changed.
 
SiliconAddict said:
You can't replace the mobo. Apple is using EFI instead of BIOS. Also when you install OS X it does some "stuff" with the Trusted Computing Chip on the mobo that verifies that its a Mac. I'm pretty sure if you replaced the mobo with a newer one OS X would give you a nice fat error. Then there is drivers. Your copy of OS X doesn't have drivers for SR.

EDIT: If you are talking the CPU...yah. The pinout hasn't changed.
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Yeah, I was referring to the CPU. A few months back, when Intel just released the Quad Core Chips, Macrumors posted an article that a couple of people swapped out the chips in their Mac Pro's with the new Quad Core chips and it booted up perfectly. The only questions were 1) if this story was legit 2) if this would/could apply to other Mac Pro units.

..oh, and thanks for responding, I really appreciate your help 🙂
 
CJD2112 said:
Ok, I asked this question before but no one answered. As I've built PC's back in my Windows days, I know that most motherboards (i.e. Mac Logicboards) can be upgraded with newer/faster chips assuming the chip matched the boards socket. There has been talk that a few Mac Pro users/developers were able to take out the dual core chips and replace them with two of the new Intel Quad Core Processors, thus producing an Octo Mac Pro (which is assumed to be announced by Steve Jobs as a new addition to the Mac Pro line). As a current Mac Pro 2.66 owner, will this be possible with my system? That is, when Apple switched to Intel Processors, did they also begin using motherboards that would be on par with a PC system [and thus upgradeable]? Thanks.
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Yes.

That sort of upgrade probably voids the warranty, but it works.

It is currently practical on:
Mac-Mini
iMac
MacPro
X-serve

Probably the biggest advantage is any upgrade from Core Duo or Core solo to Core 2 Duo (or soon Core 2 Quad).

Rocketman
 
Please forgive my ignorance, but is this news about the chip breakthrough that I read about a few weeks ago? The story I read said that using a new alloy will allow chips to again double the speed of the computer or perhaps double the length of battery life. It said that already prototypes were being coded for Apple. I am just wondering if this is already the appearance of this breakthrough chip or it's something not quite so momentous. Thanks.
 
CJD2112 said:
Yeah, I was referring to the CPU. A few months back, when Intel just released the Quad Core Chips, Macrumors posted an article that a couple of people swapped out the chips in their Mac Pro's with the new Quad Core chips and it booted up perfectly. The only questions were 1) if this story was legit 2) if this would/could apply to other Mac Pro units.

..oh, and thanks for responding, I really appreciate your help 🙂
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The source was from Anandtech and they are about as credible as you can get.
 
SiliconAddict said:
EDIT: If you are talking the CPU...yah. The pinout hasn't changed.
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Santa Rosa uses Socket P and NOT Socket M that is currently used by Yonah/Merom.

Please forgive my ignorance, but is this news about the chip breakthrough that I read about a few weeks ago? The story I read said that using a new alloy will allow chips to again double the speed of the computer or perhaps double the length of battery life. It said that already prototypes were being coded for Apple. I am just wondering if this is already the appearance of this breakthrough chip or it's something not quite so momentous. Thanks.
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No

http://guides.macrumors.com/Merom
 
dingamahoo said:
Please forgive my ignorance, but is this news about the chip breakthrough that I read about a few weeks ago? The story I read said that using a new alloy will allow chips to again double the speed of the computer or perhaps double the length of battery life. It said that already prototypes were being coded for Apple. I am just wondering if this is already the appearance of this breakthrough chip or it's something not quite so momentous. Thanks.
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Nope. What you are talking about is a new substance that is used for insulation in CPU's that cuts down on electrical leakage that has been a problem in the new 45nm process.
What is being talked about here is the platform used in the systemboard. Which includes several things including the chipset. Which sports a number of new features the least of which is a faster FSB that can scale in speed.

To get a better idea of what it is check this link out:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2845&p=2

While its all impressive I think there are a number of new techs that are going to be making their way into the spotlight in the next year to year and a half. All of which will slowly trickle out into the MBP, so by the time I've ready to upgrade in 2008..more like 2009 now...I think apple is going to have one heck of an impressive line of laptops. Right now what we are seeing in even the C2DMBP is only the beginning. New screens, new hard drives with integrated 512MB+ of cache, blu-ray, possible touch screens, fuel cells, etc, etc, etc. Once the dust settles in 2009..Gah. I'm going to be blowing another 3 grand on a new MBP...hopefully black by that time. 😀
 
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