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but u will get excited once you'll get about 2 hours of extra battery life of that .05 inches!

It's going to be .05 inch slimmer, not thicker. If the next iPhone has a bigger battery it's going to be because it's taller. So, no I'm not going to get excited about the iPhone 5 b/c it's slimmer. Maybe for other reasons, but not that.


1.4mm is worth getting excited about when we consider that we are starting at 9.3mm. A 7.9mm iPhone 5 will be 15% thinner than the iPhone 4S.

I suppose if you are a numbers geek, but I'm not. From a human factors perspective .05 inches isn't all that perceptible to make either a positive or negative impression on the avg. consumer.
 
Take it easy gays! We're just talking about 'RUMORS'!! Personally, I'd love to have 4.5" high-res screen with thinner body and longer lasting battery.. Galaxy Nexus fit nearly perfect but I could not stand the Android and the plastic.. Surprise us Apple!! It's time for that..
 
Take it easy gays! We're just talking about 'RUMORS'!! Personally, I'd love to have 4.5" high-res screen with thinner body and longer lasting battery.. Galaxy Nexus fit nearly perfect but I could not stand the Android and the plastic.. Surprise us Apple!! It's time for that..

We're taking it easy. It's all these heteros that are losing their shhh over it. :D
 
Wrong. A larger aperture (f/2.2 is larger than f/2.4) means LESS noise, since more light is hitting the sensor through the larger hole (aperture). The larger the aperture, the smaller the f/ number. A larger f number would mean more noise, and would mean a smaller aperture, which is apparently not the case.
Thanks for that clarification, I was wondering about that myself.
 
Okay, so 4G and lets say iOS 6 is really awesome. Maybe...

That screen better convince me its good cause I don't like its not wider.

I hate that the iPhone 5S will then get the 10Mpx or 12Mpx camera and not the iPhone 5. Plus it surely will get the quad core A6. iPhone 5 should have the quad core, not the 5S. Some Android phones already have quad core and we are going to have to wait till 2013 for it? I don't get it.
Don't get so caught up in the numbers. The best ARM-based processor currently available is dual-core, not quad-core. And a 10+ MP camera with such a small sensor would take terrible pictures. My newest point-and shoot camera (I just like something pocketable with high optical zoom that's always with you when you need it) has 4 fewer MP than the one it replaced, but takes far better pictures. The two things that would most improve the quality of the iPhone's camera would be a larger sensor (not necessarily more MP) and a larger aperture (which is apparently coming). Those are the numbers that we should be most concerned with. Unfortunately, they don't translate that well into marketing.
 
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Color me a troll!!!

I have a Ip4 and my wife has a 4s. They are great, but I ordered the Galaxy S3, just to try it out. I used to have a DroidX and my wife used to have a Droid Pro, so I am not a stranger to Android. The new upgrades to Android seem to make it very fluid. Maybe I'm bored, but the S3 looks exciting to me. I have 14 days after I get it to decide. I think Apple is VERY worried about the S3.
 
Having a larger aperture means it lets in more light...which should mean less noise...

Right, so I suspect they will be dropping the sensor size back down to 1/4 (perhaps smaller).

Otherwise it seems unlikely that they would be unable to increase the apature and decrease the thickness, it would also explain the mention of noise because a smaller sensor means smaller pixels which means more noise, which as you said the larger apature would balance to some extent.
 
The new iPhone, will sell like crazy! I do hope the rear hasn't got the two bars like a lot of leaked photo's suggest.
 
Right, so I suspect they will be dropping the sensor size back down to 1/4 (perhaps smaller).

Otherwise it seems unlikely that they would be unable to increase the apature and decrease the thickness, it would also explain the mention of noise because a smaller sensor means smaller pixels which means more noise, which as you said the larger apature would balance to some extent.

Couldn't they increase the size of the lens to keep the same sensor size?

It just seems weird to me that they would go backwards on one of the iPhone's biggest selling points.
 
Wrong. A larger aperture (f/2.2 is larger than f/2.4) means LESS noise, since more light is hitting the sensor through the larger hole (aperture). The larger the aperture, the smaller the f/ number. A larger f number would mean more noise, and would mean a smaller aperture, which is apparently not the case.

YOU sir are wrong. Aperture does not affect noise. The actual sensor size is what affects noise in addition to the ISO (which is a term referring to a film's sensitivity to light and now translated to digital).

A smaller aperture (larger number) does not mean more noise. It means that the actual hole letting light in, is smaller. Obviously with phones not controlling shutter speed (which a phone doesn't have an actual shutter) or ISO, a larger aperture is desirable. But I do reiterate, smaller aperture does not influence the "noise" in a photograph.

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Right, so I suspect they will be dropping the sensor size back down to 1/4 (perhaps smaller).

Otherwise it seems unlikely that they would be unable to increase the apature and decrease the thickness, it would also explain the mention of noise because a smaller sensor means smaller pixels which means more noise, which as you said the larger apature would balance to some extent.

Another wrong statement.

Aperture size is not a matter of thickness, it's a matter of radius. They will continue to make larger apertures because it doesn't take up much real estate. pixels do not influence the "noise" in the photograph unless you were to enlarge the photograph. The pixel size in a camera phone is more than enough for viewing on your phone and uploading to Facebook. It's when people try to take the photograph and use it in a larger setting. It's a PHONE, not a camera. People need to stop pretending they are photographers with their instagram.
 
YOU sir are wrong. Aperture does not affect noise. The actual sensor size is what affects noise in addition to the ISO (which is a term referring to a film's sensitivity to light and now translated to digital).

A smaller aperture (larger number) does not mean more noise. It means that the actual hole letting light in, is smaller. Obviously with phones not controlling shutter speed (which a phone doesn't have an actual shutter) or ISO, a larger aperture is desirable. But I do reiterate, smaller aperture does not influence the "noise" in a photograph.


I'm sorry to correct you but I'm a professional photographer, and I know what I'm talking about. Although the iPhone may not be a professional camera, it does have a shutter, albeit an electronic one, otherwise it would be unable to record an image. Every image has a well controlled exposure time and ISO that is set by the phone based on the calculated correct exposure. To prove this, take an image in low light, and shake the phone. It will be blurry due to the longer exposure. Do the same in bright daylight, the image will be less blurry, showing how much shorter the exposure time is. Also observe the increased noise in darker scenes, this is due to increased ISO. These are basics of photography, every camera does this, even the cheapest, smallest and crappiest ones.

If you still don't believe me, read the metadata from the image files your phone takes, or go to Flickr and read the metadata from other people's iPhone pictures. It will clearly say the exposure, ISO and aperture values, and the first two will all be different on different photos. The aperture is not variable on the iPhone, as it's the only thing that would have to be mechanical, so the phone has to make do with changing the ISO and the shutter speed. How else would it change the exposure to match the scene?


Indeed, a smaller aperture, in itself, means nothing for noise. But if you take a sensor paired with a smaller aperture, and then the same sensor with a larger aperture, then the one with the larger aperture will be able to achieve less noise, as it will have enough light to achieve a lower ISO, while the smaller aperture will force the camera to increase the ISO and/or the shutter speed, resulting in more noise eventually.

Noise depends on the sensor size and type, but also on the ISO. The higher the ISO, the more noise, when comparing identical sensors. The smaller the aperture, the less light, so the higher the ISO will have to be, increasing noise.

Sensor size allows for more light to be detected, making higher ISO settings less prone to noise. But higher ISO will always result in more noise in the same sensor.

So, if you take the iPhone's lens and give it a bigger aperture, the phone will be able to produce less noisy images, and/or faster shutter speeds. Chances are it will do both, as long shutter speeds are just as undesirable as noisy images.

Therefore:
Smaller Aperture = Less Light
Less Light = Compensation by increasing shutter speed and/or ISO
Increasing ISO = More Noise
Increasing shutter speed = More motion blur
So: Smaller Aperture = More Noise in many of your photos

Read this article for more info, especially the part about ISO: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-exposure.htm
 
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Anytime the article names "unamed sources", call B.S. Why would they change the form factor? If they did, wouldn't you be seeing lots of photos from case manufacturers? My guess is the smaller internal parts are required because a 4G chipset is a powerhog and will require a larger battery. I'll bet $10 this guy is wrong and I'm right, any takers?

This. The iPad battery got bigger in the last iteration too, and to a big part because of the screen and its required gnu I'm sure – there's likely nothing that drastic on the new iPhone – but I don't imagine LTE chips will be more power efficient than the 3G chips of the current iPhone.

I really wonder what will be the new new about this phone. Anything having to do with maps, still?
 
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