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They put out a new connection standard

It would be much harder to sell people on an obsolete connection standard

Have to update all the devices
Why not new chips?
 
They put out a new connection standard

It would be much harder to sell people on an obsolete connection standard

Have to update all the devices
Why not new chips?
LOTS of qualification time, board relayouts, RF certifications... You don't just swap parts willy nilly.
 
LOTS of qualification time, board relayouts, RF certifications... You don't just swap parts willy nilly.

That is the point! If they have to put that new connection on all divices, then might be a good time for new chips eh?

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Why no new iMac or mini or pro???

They are putting all R & D to iOS hardware
 
It's a LOT more work to change a processor than it is to change a dock connector. My money would be on no....unless they REALLY didn't like the chips currently being used (like the new iPad setup).
 
It's a LOT more work to change a processor than it is to change a dock connector. My money would be on no....unless they REALLY didn't like the chips currently being used (like the new iPad setup).

With Apple having so much money, I'm sure they can pull that off... Look at all the phone manufacturers releasing all those different phones and tablets... It is not impossible, it has been done.... The spring iPad release schedule never made much since besides keeping Apple in the news...

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Apple needs to keep fighting and pushing... And not just in the courts...
 
This depends on a lot of things. The Tegra3 chipset has 12 graphics cores and is absolutely stomped by the lowly dual core in the iPhone 4S.

The Tegra 3 chipset phone on this graph is the HTC One X (International)
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I'd rather have a fast GPU, irrespective of how many cores it has.

The reason for that is because of the OS. Android has trouble using multiple cores effectively.

If there is, say for example, an A8 or whatever number you want that has 12 GPU cores, the performance it puts out would be absolutely amazing.

But back to my original point, I don't see how added CPU power on a phone would make more sense at this point than additional GPU power.

AnandTech ran tests on the A5X when the latest iPad was released. They found that the A5X alone used more power than the entire iPhone 4S (Screen, radios, A5, etc.). So even if you don't believe the quad core GPU would be a waste on a 960x640 screen, it would destroy the battery.

This is where some Apple creativity comes into play.

First off, do you really think that the A4 in the iPad ran at the same clockspeed as the A4 in the iPhone 4? Absolutely not. They underclocked it for battery purposes. Same thing for the A5. And I am guessing it will be the same thing for the A5X. And most likely, an additional die shrink.

If history has shown us anything, it is that Apple continually uses the same CPU in the iPad and the iPhone, just with some modifications in the iPhone for battery reasons. I don't think there is any evidence to go against that at this point.

There is only evidence to support that Apple will use the same chip in the iPhone. What exactly they do to it to allow it to run efficiently in an iPhone is still a mystery.

But the other thing is that if you look at the transition from iPad 2 to iPad 3, Apple nearly doubled the capacity in the battery while keeping it nearly the same size. So with that battery technology they have used, I do not think it is ridiculous to think that Apple could do the exact same doubling of battery capacity to the iPhone to handle double the GPU cores. And with more vertical room in the iPad and in cell technology for the screen, it could have more space for an even larger battery.
 
With Apple having so much money, I'm sure they can pull that off... Look at all the phone manufacturers releasing all those different phones and tablets... It is not impossible, it has been done.... The spring iPad release schedule never made much since besides keeping Apple in the news...

It's not a question of pulling it off, it's a question of benefit and value. What purpose would it serve?
 
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Well if this is true, I am definitely starting to regret my last weeks' 4S purchase. I am happy with that phone and all, but this one rocks. Still can't get used to its prolonged face panel though...

why would you buy a 4s last week in the first place? return it
 
Cool picture, but A6 is just a marketing name, even if true we still don't know much about what the CPU will actually be, other than it won't be identical to the A5/A5X.

It could be, in order of likeliness:

1) Dual 32nm Cortex A9s clocked higher than in the A5.
2) Quad 32nm Cortex A9s.
3) Dual 45nm Cortex A9s clocked higher than in the A5.
4) New core architecture (A15s in advance?).
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No. 3 would just be taking the piss and for Apple id think ur no.4 would be likely than a quad core cpu.
With s4 pro chips coming out in the coming months which look pretty amazing, i really hope Apple can pull out nice new dual core A15 A6 and ill be there on release day. Otherwise I might sit back and see how it plays out. Really looking foward to metal unibody tho think thats a huge plus.

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The reason for that is because of the OS. Android has trouble using multiple cores effectively.

But the other thing is that if you look at the transition from iPad 2 to iPad 3, Apple nearly doubled the capacity in the battery while keeping it nearly the same size. So with that battery technology they have used, I do not think it is ridiculous to think that Apple could do the exact same doubling of battery capacity to the iPhone to handle double the GPU cores. And with more vertical room in the iPad and in cell technology for the screen, it could have more space for an even larger battery.

the battery has already been leaked and its not much of an upgrade capacity wise like the new ipad was, lets hope the new cpu has some pretty good power saving features
 
It's not a question of pulling it off, it's a question of benefit and value. What purpose would it serve?

Future proofing
Staying competive
Bragging rights

When you update only once a year it should set the bar pretty high.... Ya?
 
Future proofing
Staying competive
Bragging rights

When you update only once a year it should set the bar pretty high.... Ya?
They are already competitive
They already have bragging rights.

Sorry...just not buying it.
 
They are already competitive
They already have bragging rights.

Sorry...just not buying it.

they have fallen behind android this year. they dont have bragging rights with the 4s anymore...

They need something to stay on top
 
they have fallen behind android this year. they dont have bragging rights with the 4s anymore...

They need something to stay on top

We're talking tablets. They're not even remotely behind. Nobody's even close. So again, no reason to uselessly spend money on upgrades that are also unnecessary. There are no new features that would require a new processor.
 
It's not a question of pulling it off, it's a question of benefit and value. What purpose would it serve?
playing devil's advocate here.

An A6/A6X wouldn't make sense as put forth... But if Apple/Samsung's 32nm process is yielding well. A die shrunk 32nm A5X would reduce power, heat, extend battery life, and be cheaper for Apple because they get more chips per wafer.

They may even silently slip it in like they did the 32nm A5 in the iPad2,4.

Plausible. But I don't think its likely.
 
UNDER LOAD, and such load end as soon as the work ends, and with 1/4 of the pixels measn that the A5X uses 1/4 of the total iPhone 4S energy to complete the same task.

More, from going to a 32nm feature the chip will burn 50-67% of the power that the 45nm feature use to burn.

also a more powerful CPU means it can lower the clock and voltage saving more power...

For all this reasons I'm confident the next iPhone wil feature a 32nm A5X with 768MB Ram on SOC, and save a lot of power regard the 4s' A5..

Care to make it interesting?
 
playing devil's advocate here.

An A6/A6X wouldn't make sense as put forth... But if Apple/Samsung's 32nm process is yielding well. A die shrunk 32nm A5X would reduce power, heat, extend battery life, and be cheaper for Apple because they get more chips per wafer.

They may even silently slip it in like they did the 32nm A5 in the iPad2,4.

Plausible. But I don't think its likely.

I could see this...maybe...quietly. But I definitely wouldn't put any money on it.
 
the battery has already been leaked and its not much of an upgrade capacity wise like the new ipad was, lets hope the new cpu has some pretty good power saving features

I think there are quite a few ways they'll save on efficiency and not only keep battery life where it is, but increase it - even with all the new features.

The LTE radios are supposedly Qualcomm's new ones and are highly efficient. Not the power sink holes the LTE radios in current phones are. Also the In-Cell touchscreen is going to help quite a bit as the LCD won't have to be run as brightly because of the reduced space between the outer glass and LCD. As we all know, screen brightness is THE battery killer/saver depending on how you have yours normally set.

Couple those feats of tech with an equally efficient SoC (be it the A5X variant or a new A6 - either of which will be dual core I'm sure) and you've got yourself a thinner device with more guts AND better battery life. I think that's reason enough to upgrade myself.
 
So when is Audi going to start suing Apple? :D
No, Apple will sue Audi instead...

claiming a patent on anything named "A6" that's powerful and encased in metal and glass.

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Damn you Apple!! I don't need a new iPhone but I know I'll be one of the first in line and Android users will be passing by laughing at me. :(
 
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