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I'll buy the next gen once it includes the retina display and front facing camera...
Why is everyone so skeptical about the retina? It would be great to have it...as vs. my iP4 the current iPad display does not look that good...
 
...you currently can't charge the iPad over a bog standard USB connection anyway as it requires a higher than standard voltage.

Actually it's the same voltage, but allows higher amperage draw

edit: @arkfc beat me to it

The forum posts for front page items really needs a better conversation method (group posts in a tree by replies?). There is too much chatter on many different sub topics, and it's near impossible to follow unless you read every single post (fat chance for most users).
 
I'll buy the next gen once it includes the retina display and front facing camera...
Why is everyone so skeptical about the retina? It would be great to have it...as vs. my iP4 the current iPad display does not look that good...
Adopting a Retina Display, ie. 4x higher display resolution would be a mistake as it would make the iPad appear feature rich, but underpowered. You would need a significantly more powerful GPU to drive that display and in the end it won't be worth it since graphics will look sharper, but that won't leave enough performance left to actually implement more complicated effects. I'm thinking they'll move to 1600x1200, which is already pretty aggressive and hopefully adopt dual core ARM Cortex A9 with a SGX545.
 
I think this report pretty much confirms what I've guessed for several months: the 2G iPad will get a higher resolution display, probably at minimum 1280x768 (or 1280x960 if Apple can decent large volume pricing).

Why go to a higher resolution display on a iPad more or less the same size as the current unit? The answer is simple: it will allow for native-resolution display of 720p HD videos of movies and TV shows downloaded through the iTunes Store to a local desktop/laptop computer and copied to the iPad or streamed a la Apple TV minus the need for an Apple TV box itself.

The article talks about new display *technology* - any possibility of oled?
 
the 2G iPad will get a higher resolution display, probably at minimum 1280x768 (or 1280x960 if Apple can decent large volume pricing).
And re-create ALL user-interface graphics elements (in the OS and all apps), otherwise your carefully sized 'buttons' suddenly are 20% smaller.
 
Adopting a Retina Display, ie. 4x higher display resolution would be a mistake as it would make the iPad appear feature rich, but underpowered. You would need a significantly more powerful GPU to drive that display and in the end it won't be worth it since graphics will look sharper, but that won't leave enough performance left to actually implement more complicated effects. I'm thinking they'll move to 1600x1200, which is already pretty aggressive and hopefully adopt dual core ARM Cortex A9 with a SGX545.

Dual core a9 is definite - gcd support is in iOS 4.2 - ram is questionable - I'd guess 512, but hoping We'll see 1 Gig.
 
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You may be correct, however Apple needs to move the bar at a rate that keeps the competition slightly off balance. The competition will always be able to use price as their advantage. If Apple's long term road map leads the market correctly, competition will usually be playing "catch up."

What?

What competitors are competing with the iPad based on price? The Galaxy Tab requires a contract, the Rim Playbook isn't out yet. There are plenty of articles discussing competitors' difficulty to match the iPad's price, and Apple's quarterly meeting specifically highlighted they expect margins to be lower due to their aggressive pricing with the iPad.

I do enjoy the broad sweeping statements people make publicly rather than crafting their arguments to the specific matter at hand.
 
Adopting a Retina Display, ie. 4x higher display resolution would be a mistake as it would make the iPad appear feature rich, but underpowered. You would need a significantly more powerful GPU to drive that display and in the end it won't be worth it since graphics will look sharper, but that won't leave enough performance left to actually implement more complicated effects. I'm thinking they'll move to 1600x1200, which is already pretty aggressive and hopefully adopt dual core ARM Cortex A9 with a SGX545.

I see...thanks for the explaination. We shall see. I wonder when they will release. Some say Jan...but I really doubt it. They may announce it in Jan but it will probably be released next April. My 2 cents...
 
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Isn't the dock connector becoming far less vital to the iOS infrastructure due to the advent of airplay?

Being that airplay is proprietary, Apple is still earning commissions off it. A USB port wouldn't be such a blow to their devices, and if anything, would add utility and give people more reason to buy.
 
Dual core a9 is definite - gcd support is in iOS 4.2 - ram is questionable - I'd guess 512, but hoping We'll see 1 Gig.
GCC was already present in iOS 4.0 I believe. It's obviously preparation for an eventual multicore iOS device, but it doesn't really mean it's imminent. In addition, Steve Jobs himself said that GCC is targetted at getting better use of 4+ core CPUs, since existing programming techniques are sufficient to make good use of just 2 cores. Apple may want to push heavily on GPU acceleration of general programming needs through OpenCL, which may be more efficient for an embedded device. Certainly there is less baggage of existing code to slow adoption. The SGX545 has support for both the desktop and mobile OpenCL 1.0 profiles. The SGX535 in the A4 and the SGX540 in Samsung's Hummingbird don't support OpenCL at all, and I believe the SGX543 capable of multi-GPU configurations only support OpenCL mobile profile which may be sufficient.

512MB would probably be a certainty. I'd be interested in the type though. The A4 appears to use a 64-bit memory bus (up from 32-bit) to gain more bandwidth, but stuck with LPDDR1. This was probably a safe bet due to supply issues. LPDDR2 is faster and lower power so hopefully it'll be adopted by the A5.
 
Virtually no one's arguing that it shouldn't get a USB port. Most people are stating that it won't get a USB port for a variety of obvious reasons. There is a difference between those two.

Really? Reread some of those posts.

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I think this report pretty much confirms what I've guessed for several months: the 2G iPad will get a higher resolution display, probably at minimum 1280x768 (or 1280x960 if Apple can decent large volume pricing).

Sorry, but silly rumors don't confirm anything. Why would Apple bother with such a marginal resolution increase after just one year in the market. Not enough fragmentation?
 
The target is simply double the current (linear) resolution for all apps to seamlessly 'adjust' to the new resolution. Maybe Apple already planned the resolution of the original iPhone such that a doubling would lift it over the 300 dpi threshold...

If Apple OSX/IOS had resolution independent display APIs, it wouldn't matter.

But they don't, so it does.

Blame Apple.


Adopting a Retina Display, ie. 4x higher display resolution...

The marketing (not technical) phrase "retina display" does not dictate any particular DPI.


And re-create ALL user-interface graphics elements (in the OS and all apps), otherwise your carefully sized 'buttons' suddenly are 20% smaller.

The marketing (not technical) phrase "retina display" does not dictate any particular DPI.
 
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I doubt retina will come to the ipad

But FaceTime is s kinda given but who knows I just want SJ to announce it asap
 
The marketing (not technical) phrase "retina display" does not dictate any particular DPI.
The marketing phrase may not dictate a particular DPI, but I think the market has let it sink in that it implies a certain level of resolution increase. Notably either a 2 times increase in dimension/4 times increase in pixel density or a high enough dpi that you can't reasonably tell individual pixels apart, ie. ~300dpi. Of course, Apple could probably come up with another term to indicate an improved iPad display, without confusion with the Retina Display's expectations.
 
The USB part of this rumor sounds like BS to me. Probably part of a Hedge fund gambit. :(

cheers
JohnG
 
But that USB adapter has 'CAMERA' stamped all over it making it easier for Apple to communicate that 'No, you cannot read USB sticks with it, a USB stick is not a camera.'.


True!

But this (as was already mentioned here) is rather a restriction of the OS than lack of capability of the dock connector to handle file transfer from a USB stick to the iPad.
 
If Apple OSX/IOS had resolution independent display APIs, it wouldn't matter.

But they don't, so it does.

They do. All coordinates are in POINTS, not pixels. They could increment the iPad resolution to anything they wanted, even short of Retina, and scale everything accordingly. The nice thing is they could use Retina assets from Retina-supporting iPhone 4 apps and just scale them down to the appropriate size - but they would be almost as crisp as native resolution.

However, if they do increase the resolution, don't expect Retina. They'd need 1GB of RAM and a GPU at least twice as fast as the current one to pull off a similar level of performance. But I fully expect having to re-do all of my icons AGAIN at yet another size. Apple won't be happy until all available memory is taken up by 26 different icon sizes for all the various screen sizes they support.
 
I'll settle for 512 MB of RAM, Facetime cameras, and a modest increase in resolution. No need to get overly excited over huge spec increases. Overly high expectations leads to more unhappiness on this forum. ;)
 
The new iPad hardly will have 300dpi display in my opinion.

And if the USB happens, which I don't think so it will be use for charging and transfer files.

Moreover if the USB really happens could be LightPeak, and that would make more sense, however is a hard call.

Regulation for USB on mobile devices sound stupid to me.
 
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