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Can we talk about how good MacRumors' renders look, regardless of people saying the phone will be ugly with the triple lens camera.

Physical appearance in phones has become almost meaningless to me. Ironic this post comes in a topic about meaningful technical improvement.
 
Yeah, buy two sets of $400+ headphone to share this technology. Great.

BT5.0 looks great but supported headphone still costs an arm and a leg.

My Anker Spirit X is BT5.0 and water proof, cost $30-40 last year and it’s got excellent sound comparable to units that are more expensive. So there are cheaper alternatives at least for in ears. I use it with my Apple TV and Dell Laptop all the time.

As for full size headphones yeah unfortunately those aren’t really in the market yet, at least good ones.
 
Really large displays is a downplayed technology, like wide-lapels is a downplayed fashion? Much of the phone technology had it's genesis long before cell phone manufacturers started to incorporate them as products.

oled, lcd, wifi, wireless charging (not the qi protocol though), li-ion etc. Android manufacturers are the first to experiment. Apple is the first to get it right.


Sure, that is the only reason to make a device thinner, to sell a battery pack (along with saving money for the headphone jack, battery, case etc). You got apple nailed.:eek:

Android is the first to experiment, we both agree on this. Does Apple get it right, hmm that is subjective as it is their implementation of the given tech.

For example let’s look at Qi, is there a right and wrong way to implement this. Let’s look at a larger screen, is there a right or wrong way to implement this.

Software wise, some will prefer Apple’s implementation while others Google’s, preference.

Yes, please tell me who was asking for a thinner iPhone at the cost of all the drawbacks. Plus if you are going to argue that putting on a case adds thickness, don’t forget that everyone does not put a case and there are ultra slim cases on the market too. At the end of the day if someone has to put a case on a phone other than those working in special work related activities, the product is ill designed or the materials used are not durable. I have had flip, candy bar phones before the introduction of iPhone and never had a case on it. Those phones were durable unless someone projected excessive force on it. Sat on them, dropped them and other than the batter occasionally being accidentally ejected, all of them worked.
 
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Android is the first to experiment, we both agree on this. Does Apple get it right, hmm that is subjective as it is their implementation of the given tech.

For example let’s look at Qi, is there a right and wrong way to implement this. Let’s look at a larger screen, is there a right or wrong way to implement this.

Software wise, some will prefer Apple’s implementation while others Google’s, preference.
Touch ID comes to mind. It reshaped the fingerprint industry.

Yes, please tell me who was asking for a thinner iPhone at the cost of all the drawbacks.
Me for one. Drawbacks of a brick is worse than a thin phone.

Plus if you are going to argue that putting on a case adds thickness, don’t forget that everyone does not put a case and there are ultra slim cases on the market too. At the end of the day if someone has to put a case on a phone other than those working in special work related activities, the product is ill designed or the materials used are not durable. I have had flip, candy bar phones before the introduction of iPhone and never had a case on it.
You never broke your flip phone? Wow. Well at the time of those flip phones were under contract, cheap and replaceable. Times have changed. And yes cases do add thickness. However the thickness of a phone is subjective.
Those phones were durable unless someone projected excessive force on it. Sat on them, dropped them and other than the batter occasionally being accidentally ejected, al of them worked.
They were, they also were small, made from aluminum, cheap to replace. Contrast that with today’s made from glass premium phablets.
 
I thought we would have dual BT headphone support in all BT5.0 Apple devices by now. E.g. from the ATV4, kids sleeping and we wanting to enjoy full audio with wifey - still no go. Or when sharing a large iPad Pro with wifey while flying. Dual BT audio should be fully possible with BT5 already now, no? Only a software development away...

Forget waiting for Apple to add this feature to ATV4 and ATV 4K, just buy a Avantree Oasis Plus. I connected mine to the TV, so whichever source is being displayed on the TV (including ATV) can be heard on two pairs of BT headphones simultaneously. Great for watching loud films at night without disturbing anyone else. Recommended.
 
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Here's a crazy thought. Buying something else has more impact than complaining on an internet forum.
Complaining about product faults or deficiencies, reinforced by taking one's business elsewhere, accomplishes two things - you let the company and its customers know the issues at hand, and by example let them know what you are doing about it. How the company or its current customers react is now in their courts - you've done all that you, as a now former customer, can do. My observation is that by complaining about legitimate problems one is having with a product, fellow customers will either react like you and wish the complainer would just be quiet, or they might just possibly use your complaint as a source of information influencing their purchase decision in the future. One of the main reasons I pay attention to forums like this is to gather evidence, both from the company and from its customers, about my future product decisions. For example, there is no way I'm going to plunk down several thousand dollars on the MBP's of the last few years. There have been sufficient complaints about faulty keyboards, faulty displays, expensive repairs, and cooling problems to deter my buying these laptops. The result is that Apple has lost my business with laptops produced since 2016. That alone won't deter Apple in product design and support, but if enough folks do as I have done, perhaps at least some small change might be effected. It comes down to the bottom line, and Apple won't budge until profits decline to a critical threshold. That takes time. I personally am thankful that there are forums like this one, which though focused on Apple products, allow both positive and negative feedback to flourish. For consistent positive commentary, go to forums under Apple's sole control such as "discussions.apple.com", where folks like Jessa Jones have been booted for questioning the company line on repair of iOS devices.
 
Finally. Technically this has been doable on BT for years. It's an obvious usage that people have been doing with wired headphones for decades. I listen to music with my gf every day with headphones and a splitter.
 
Physical appearance in phones has become almost meaningless to me. Ironic this post comes in a topic about meaningful technical improvement.

Actually the appearance is important to some of us, like having a smaller phone. I for one miss the size of the SE. Until Apple releases a smaller phone I will stick with my SE.
 
Sounds cool but what use case would this be used?

One example, albeit not "mainstream," is as an accessibility feature that would be used by the hard of hearing or deaf community.

My wife has two cochlear implants, and the manufacturer of her implants has come out with a new device that can connect to the batteries of each over-the-ear processor, to stream BT audio directly without the need for an intermediary BT receiver hanging around her neck.

Unfortunately, because Apple only allows single-streaming, she can only hear BT audio in one ear, which, for someone who relies on technology to hear, is incredibly limiting. So for the time being, she is stuck lugging around another device and is at the mercy of its battery life.

I personally know 20 iPhone users who don't want to leave the Apple ecosystem, and would buy new iPhones tomorrow if they had this technology, which Samsung already has. And I guarantee each of those 20 people know dozens of others, and so on, and so on.
 
All part of the great upgrade roadmap. ie. Spread features out across as many hardware iterations as you can get away with to maximize profit. Gotta keep people wanting to upgrade every cycle.

Yes, except, they removed the ability to do this with a simple splitter by removing the headphone jack. Apple’s answer was AirPods, and Lightning headphones, but neither could natively allow two pairs of headphones to connect at the same time. The only way to achieve it was the same way it was always done, but this time with a Lightning to 3.5mm dongle.

This is just one more example which proves that Apple pulled the headphone jack before they thought out a complete solution for replacing it.

Only this year did we get a USB-to-Lightning headphone adapter for the Mac. And now a rumor about being able to share AirPods. There’s still no way to use two Lightning headphones at the same time.
 
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Actually the appearance is important to some of us, like having a smaller phone. I for one miss the size of the SE. Until Apple releases a smaller phone I will stick with my SE.

I’m with you on the smaller phones. I don’t categorize that as an appearance item. It wasn’t the type of issue on the post I replied to.
 
I'm guessing devices with multiple jacks just weren't practical for wired use, so never really caught on. Bunch of people connected by wire to one device would be sort of awkward - just hook up a wire to one space speaker system.

This was a well used feature on Walkman devices. Speakers were not always a practical solution. If you didn’t have multiple jacks, there were Y adapters that were so popular you can still by them at gas stations and 7-11s. The reason most devices didn’t have them is because it was expensive — two jacks, and two amps. Plenty of people plugged into each other’s devices, one way or another, especially in backseats of cars, in waiting rooms, planes, trains, etc.

Finally. Technically this has been doable on BT for years. It's an obvious usage that people have been doing with wired headphones for decades. I listen to music with my gf every day with headphones and a splitter.

Right, and Apple was well aware of it. I could only laugh at the AirPod commercial where the woman shares her music with a guy she meets in the street, by giving him one of her AirPods, and they dance their way through the city in full immersive stereo fidelity! That commercial should have introduced the ability to share audio with another set of AirPods, but instead it misrepresented the joys of single channel audio in only one ear, missing half the program.
 
Apple copying Sony!!!
Original walkman had 2 headphone jacks, thinking people want to listen together, then went on with 1.

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Still in love with my first walkman.
 
My old iPhone 8 Plus had the necessary hardware for this. This has nothing to do with upcoming hardware.
 
Has Apple actually released the design?

For their sake I hope every known leak to date isn’t true. I’m no longer a shareholder so I couldn’t care less. But that huge, square, bubble looking camera is HIDEOUS.

Literally every complaint since the bulge of the 6 series has been that the camera bump gets larger or more pronounced. Every single thread I’ve read here, I could get an accurate sample size I feel, of actual consumers. Huge huge issue. What does Apple, led by the wonderful visionary Tim Cook (previously of failed batterygate, of failed planned obsolescencegate, of store makeover failgate fame) decide to do???

Double down! Make it even larger, add more lenses to make it even uglier.

And let’s not remove the notch, we already have millions of the correct housing and parts, we aren’t about to spend any of our 200+ billion on improved design when we can save it for another year and keep shareholders happy.

Sad. And it’s why their marketshare and upgrade sales are tanking.

Fire Cook now or watch Apple slowly fade into obscurity. The time is upon us to act, it should have been 3 years ago already.
 



Apple's next iPhone could allow users to connect two pairs of Bluetooth headphones at the same time, claims a report this morning from Japanese tech blog Mac Otakara.

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Citing an Asian supply chain source, the blog says the function will be similar to Samsung's Dual Audio Feature, which lets users play music or other audio from their Galaxy phone or tablet to two connected bluetooth devices.

In the same vein, an iPhone user could pair two sets of earphones - AirPods and Powerbeats Pro, for example - and share what they're listening to with a friend.

In another example, Mac Otakara suggests a usage scenario in which an iPhone could be connected to a car as well as wireless headphones, transmitting GPS directions to the in-car audio system and audio to the headphones.

Current iPhones can connect to multiple Bluetooth devices (and multiple speakers via AirPlay 2), but only one Bluetooth audio profile, so the ability to connect to two audio-based BT devices would certainly be a new, welcome addition to the feature set.

Samsung's dual audio feature is an implementation of Bluetooth 5.0 technology, suggesting Apple's function could be of similar origin. If that turned out to be the case, Apple could potentially bring the feature to iPhone 8, iPhone X, iPhone XS, and iPhone XS models via a software update.

When it comes to its original content, Mac Otakara is largely accurate, making it a widely trusted source for Apple product rumors. That said, the site doesn't have a perfect record and does share inaccurate info on occasion.
[*]How to Share One Pair of AirPods With a Friend
Apple is expected to debut refreshed iPhones in September 2019. Rumors suggest we'll see 5.8 and 6.5-inch OLED iPhones equipped with triple lens cameras, along with a 6.1-inch LCD iPhone with a dual-lens camera. We don't yet know what Apple will call the new iPhones, but iPhone XI or iPhone 11 are possibilities for the iPhone XS successors.

Article Link: Next iPhone Could Bring Dual Bluetooth Audio Connection Support

This is really great. JBL and it’s parent company have had this feature for a long time now in their speakers and other audio devices. I really missed it when I use my Beats Solo and Sony MDR1000X.
 
Touch ID comes to mind. It reshaped the fingerprint industry.

Fingerprint security and Facial security is nothing new, laptops have had this years before. Apple neither invented fingerprint or facial security, the implementation in iPhone is their take take on it.

Me for one. Drawbacks of a brick is worse than a thin phone.

Are you claiming that iPhone SE, 5S, C, 5, and prior were bricks. iPhone 8 with its glass back is heavier when compared to its aluminium counterparts. Thickness has nothing to do with it, density can also contribute to weight or you refer to it as being a brick. No one would call even the competitions present phones as a brick.

You never broke your flip phone? Wow. Well at the time of those flip phones were under contract, cheap and replaceable. Times have changed. And yes cases do add thickness. However the thickness of a phone is subjective.

Nope, never broke a flip phone in the past. I would not call them cheap for that timeframe, when the original iPhone was introduced it was considered expensive, however I remember sliding phones that cost around the same if not more price wise. Thickness of a handheld is required for a comfortable fit and grip as the hand has to cup the device. When there is empty space or a void the several muscle in the palm have to strain similar to a vice to hold a thin device on the edges, vice a thicker or curved back phone.

They were, they also were small, made from aluminum, cheap to replace. Contrast that with today’s made from glass premium phablets.

glass premium phablets was to incorporate Qi, Apple does have a license to use LiquidMetal alloy, if it will not work with Qi I am not sure, however for wireless signals it works similar to plastic or glass with the strength of metal.

It sounds like you are trying to substantiate this thin fetish that Apple pushes on its users, rather than support the function over form, you are stipulating the reverse and the expense of function.

A phone should last an entire day 24h of usage, vice being thin. With wired, speaker and wireless earpieces, people do not hold their phones for extended periods of time, even so we would see people who game or entertain with major fatigue, this is however not the case.

Your counter arguments are working against you, one would rather have an aluminum cased phones that is easier and cost affordable to replace than a glass phone that is expensive to replace and has to be treated like a Faberge Egg.
 
Fingerprint security and Facial security is nothing new, laptops have had this years before. Apple neither invented fingerprint or facial security, the implementation in iPhone is their take take on it.
You can deny, till the cows come home, that touch id on the 5s in 2013, did not reshaped the biometric security on smartphones.

Are you claiming that iPhone SE, 5S, C, 5, and prior were bricks. iPhone 8 with its glass back is heavier when compared to its aluminium counterparts. Thickness has nothing to do with it, density can also contribute to weight or you refer to it as being a brick. No one would call even the competitions present phones as a brick.
No, that's what you are claiming. While people have varied opinions on the matter, this is all in eyes of the beholder.

Nope, never broke a flip phone in the past. I would not call them cheap for that timeframe, when the original iPhone was introduced it was considered expensive, however I remember sliding phones that cost around the same if not more price wise. Thickness of a handheld is required for a comfortable fit and grip as the hand has to cup the device. When there is empty space or a void the several muscle in the palm have to strain similar to a vice to hold a thin device on the edges, vice a thicker or curved back phone.
My family broke the phones for various reasons and while, not free to replace, they were basically inexpensive to replace. Replacing a modern phone is not inexpensive or cheap. I have no problems holding my max with the silicon case, which not only looks nice, but protects the phone.

glass premium phablets was to incorporate Qi, Apple does have a license to use LiquidMetal alloy, if it will not work with Qi I am not sure, however for wireless signals it works similar to plastic or glass with the strength of metal.

It sounds like you are trying to substantiate this thin fetish that Apple pushes on its users, rather than support the function over form, you are stipulating the reverse and the expense of function.

A phone should last an entire day 24h of usage, vice being thin. With wired, speaker and wireless earpieces, people do not hold their phones for extended periods of time, even so we would see people who game or entertain with major fatigue, this is however not the case.

Your counter arguments are working against you, one would rather have an aluminum cased phones that is easier and cost affordable to replace than a glass phone that is expensive to replace and has to be treated like a Faberge Egg.
You might as well admit you don't know why apple went back to glass. My old 6s barely lasted a day, but my max at the end of the is usually 50% or more, which means in theory, I can get two full days out of it. Is that everybody's use case. Does every phone last the same especially when the usages are different?

Not sure where your claim of form over function comes from, but your counter-arguments hold no water.
 
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This was a well used feature on Walkman devices. Speakers were not always a practical solution. If you didn’t have multiple jacks, there were Y adapters that were so popular you can still by them at gas stations and 7-11s. The reason most devices didn’t have them is because it was expensive — two jacks, and two amps. Plenty of people plugged into each other’s devices, one way or another, especially in backseats of cars, in waiting rooms, planes, trains, etc.
I suspect I'm about 10 or 15 years too old to have experienced the Renaissance of the Walkman. It was released in 1979, by which time I was in my late 20s, programming with PDP-11's and having a glancing acquaintance with some Apple "desktop" computer in the works. Before the advent of the Walkman, the cool kids were, in cliched manner depicted in movies like Cheech and Chong, walking down the street with boom boxes perched on their shoulders, blasting into their (and everyone else's in close proximity) ears. Memories.
 
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For their sake I hope every known leak to date isn’t true. I’m no longer a shareholder so I couldn’t care less. But that huge, square, bubble looking camera is HIDEOUS.

Literally every complaint since the bulge of the 6 series has been that the camera bump gets larger or more pronounced. Every single thread I’ve read here, I could get an accurate sample size I feel, of actual consumers. Huge huge issue. What does Apple, led by the wonderful visionary Tim Cook (previously of failed batterygate, of failed planned obsolescencegate, of store makeover failgate fame) decide to do???

Double down! Make it even larger, add more lenses to make it even uglier.

And let’s not remove the notch, we already have millions of the correct housing and parts, we aren’t about to spend any of our 200+ billion on improved design when we can save it for another year and keep shareholders happy.

Sad. And it’s why their marketshare and upgrade sales are tanking.

Fire Cook now or watch Apple slowly fade into obscurity. The time is upon us to act, it should have been 3 years ago already.
You seem to be getting your wish. More lenses, notch. Where I don't think you will get your wish is firing Tim Cook, nor do I think you are prescient when you suggest Apple will fade into obscurity. And if it does, it is out of our hands.
 
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