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Next iPhone Screen Resolution Confirmed at 960x640

SevenInchScrew said:
I don't think you meant to, but you are just proving my point. The term "HD" means nothing. It is just marketing. We both totally agree on that. My theory, which was proven true in this thread, was that when a competitor uses the term, it will get mocked and laughed at. But if Apple does the same, well that changes everything.
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No, I believe there are many posts critical of the use of 'HD' in the name, and plenty of mockery directed at Apple. At the same time, when competitors do it, as Microsoft and HTC did, they received their fair share of mocking for name, but most people didn't care (it's just a name!), and some actively defended it.

The idea that Apple would emerge from using such a name without criticism and mockery is absolutely false, which this thread completely shows. Apple's use wouldn't "change" anything. If Apple uses the name, they will be no more or less (sorry for the typo) in the wrong than Microsoft or HTC or anyone else, and they will be no less subject to criticism and snarking by the very vocal anti-Apple crowd.

Your argument that other companies are mocked without defenders and Apple would be defended without mockery simply isn't true.
 
How this will affect the viewing experience of the videos that I bought from iTunes ? I mean videos that in size are fitted for the current iPhone screen?
Will they be upgraded for free in iTunes?
 
matticus008 said:
No, HD is a pair of letters that sometimes is an abbreviation for 'high definition' (and sometimes 'high density' or 'heavy duty' or any number of things, including nothing at all [e.g. Sennheiser HD-595 earphones]).
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I'm sorry you feel that way, but when you put the label "HD" on something with a screen, it means "high definition." You can bet that if Sony came out with a standard-def tv and plastered a big "HD" on the box, it wouldn't fly. Same with a computer monitor. Same thing with a portable internet device. Zune got away with it because the product had a high-definition radio tuner embedded in it - and while that may be a laughable choice, they're not abusing the term.

Your example of the headphones is not relevant and you know it; that's a model number with other meaningless numbers and letters, not used to describe the product.

The same thing also holds true for the "3G" designation. While you may be under the guise that it's just "random numbers and letters," it's absolutely not and unless the new iPhone is compatible with a new network we aren't aware of, there's no way they're going to call it the "iPhone 4G" (as countless people on these forums keep calling it). While some might want to retool the abbreviation to mean "4th Generation," it isn't correct and Apple wouldn't make such an obvious mistake.
 
SirHaakon said:
I'm sorry you feel that way, but when you put the label "HD" on something with a screen, it means "high definition."
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Based on what? High definition what? I don't know much more clearly it can be explained that a name is not a specification. It's just a name. The "Sterling" flatware collection wasn't sterling silver; people could check that easily.
Your example of the headphones is not relevant and you know it; that's a model number with other meaningless numbers and letters, not used to describe the product.
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You've just defined "product name" as opposed to a technical specification or feature description. Names aren't specifications or product descriptions. They are names. You cannot ascribe meaning to parts of some names and not others. All names are equally meaningless from a technical and legal perspective.

The headphones are called 'HD-595'--that's the model identifier they use. It's not a technical specification or a claim. Calling a product "DeviceHD" is too a model identifier, not a technical specification or a feature description. Names have a lot of associational power, but they don't specify anything, ever.
While some might want to retool the abbreviation to mean "4th Generation," it isn't correct
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There's "correct" or "incorrect" with a product name. It is a string of text that identifies the product. There is no authority overseeing those names. The only naming limitations are trademark (source confusion).

You want to release a phone called the SirHaakon Magic Indestructible? And it's not indestructible? Or magical? Go ahead. A name isn't a claim. It's just a name.

As for the Zune and "HD Radio", that's no different than the pixel density arguments here. HD Radio is not short for 'high definition radio'. It's just a brand name. The Zune HD is capable of 720p output to an external display, which is its only tie to HDTV resolution and certainly not the major selling point of the device.
 
matticus008 said:
Based on what? High definition what? I don't know much more clearly it can be explained that a name is not a specification. It's just a name. The "Sterling" flatware collection wasn't sterling silver; people could check that easily.
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The difference occurs when the name is based on a specification. Then it's not "just a name."

matticus008 said:
The headphones are called 'HD-595'--that's the model identifier they use.
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A model number is different than a product name.

matticus008 said:
As for the Zune and "HD Radio", that's no different than the pixel density arguments here. HD Radio is not short for 'high definition radio'. It's just a brand name. The Zune HD is capable of 720p output to an external display, which is its only tie to HDTV resolution and certainly not the major selling point of the device.
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You are incorrect. HD radio is called that because the codec it uses is called HDC, which stands for High-definition coding. If you don't believe me, look it up. HD absolutely means High Definition in all of these cases, no matter how much you'd like to believe it doesn't.
 
SirHaakon said:
The difference occurs when the name is based on a specification. Then it's not "just a name."
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I'm sorry, but this isn't borne out by reality. A product name is always just an identifier. The only law on product names is trademark. If you feel differently, please cite to a specific requirement by a controlling authority.
A model number is different than a product name.
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Legally, it's not. Identifiers are identifiers whether names or numbers or in combination, not specifications and not feature descriptions.
You are incorrect. HD radio is called that because the codec it uses is called HDC, which stands for High-definition coding. If you don't believe me, look it up. HD absolutely means High Definition in all of these cases, no matter how much you'd like to believe it doesn't.
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"The ‘HD’ in ‘HD Radio’ is part of iBiquity Digital’s brand name for its digital AM and FM radio technology. It does not mean either hybrid digital or high definition, it is simply the branding language for this new technology."
From the horse's mouth.
 
hefeglass said:
Here's a microscopic image of the screen compared to current gene screen and nexus!

All you doubters may have to eat your words (and there are a bunch of you...that digitimes thread was filled with people claiming that they were going to use 720x480...that's just ridiculous)

Apple is officially going to have the illest display on phones...doesn't get any better than 330ppi...I am so stoked about this screen..(in case you couldn't tell)..

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/iphone-4g-put-under-a-microscope-960-x-640-looks-like-a-lock/
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I hope it is 960x640, that res would be flat out sick. But I'm still betting on 720x480.

I wouldnt trust anything from a *.cz website. How in the hell did they end up with a brand new iphone anyways? Its B.S. The only thing the czech republic is good for is porn stars :)

We shall soon see, cant wait for June 7th.
 
OMG what power.
better than paper.

wow , even with it's ripoff sony ericsson design, i might it due to the awesome features. also by making it, it is giving china man great suffering.
 
SirHaakon said:
I'm sorry you feel that way, but when you put the label "HD" on something with a screen, it means "high definition." You can bet that if Sony came out with a standard-def tv and plastered a big "HD" on the box, it wouldn't fly. Same with a computer monitor. Same thing with a portable internet device. Zune got away with it because the product had a high-definition radio tuner embedded in it - and while that may be a laughable choice, they're not abusing the term.

Your example of the headphones is not relevant and you know it; that's a model number with other meaningless numbers and letters, not used to describe the product.

The same thing also holds true for the "3G" designation. While you may be under the guise that it's just "random numbers and letters," it's absolutely not and unless the new iPhone is compatible with a new network we aren't aware of, there's no way they're going to call it the "iPhone 4G" (as countless people on these forums keep calling it). While some might want to retool the abbreviation to mean "4th Generation," it isn't correct and Apple wouldn't make such an obvious mistake.
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HD does not necessarily equate to HDTV, even with a screen. For example, the Zune HD has 480 X 272 resolution.
 
derek4484 said:
I hope it is 960x640, that res would be flat out sick. But I'm still betting on 720x480.

I wouldnt trust anything from a *.cz website. How in the hell did they end up with a brand new iphone anyways? Its B.S. The only thing the czech republic is good for is porn stars :)

We shall soon see, cant wait for June 7th.
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Agreed, 960x640 makes no sense.
 
The post you agreed with also makes zero sense. If they went with 720....it would require software antialiasing and interpretation of pixels...making the image look worse than they do on current iPhone screens.

I have already spent hours trying to explain this to these guys, i slso sent them the link to grubers article explaining why...but they just keep arguing about it as if they have some sort of logical point to make....but the reality is that they are not using common sense for their arguments...they are just grasping. You dan explain it to them a million times...not to mention I evrn made this thread to show that the new displays of that density DO EXIST but they still argue non sensibly.
And their location has absolutely nothing to do with them having parts to the new iPhone or not....people all over the world are getting their hands on screen and faceplates for the new iPhone...this is believable and true!
 
hefeglass said:
The post you agreed with also makes zero sense. If they went with 720....it would require software antialiasing and interpretation of pixels...making the image look worse than they do on current iPhone screens.

I have already spent hours trying to explain this to these guys, i slso sent them the link to grubers article explaining why...but they just keep arguing about it as if they have some sort of logical point to make....but the reality is that they are not using common sense for their arguments...they are just grasping. You dan explain it to them a million times...not to mention I evrn made this thread to show that the new displays of that density DO EXIST but they still argue non sensibly.
And their location has absolutely nothing to do with them having parts to the new iPhone or not....people all over the world are getting their hands on screen and faceplates for the new iPhone...this is believable and true!
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agreed don't get why people wouldnt think that this makes sense.

since the new iphone will have 4x the amount of pixels it will make any app work on the new iphone without having to worry about pixel problems.
720x480 would just cause a hole bag of issues with app compatibility.
 
TheMacBookPro said:
Japanese phones have had 3xx dpi screens for years now.

Take my old 920SH from 2007- 3.2" FWVGA screen. 306 dpi.

SH906i from 2008. 3.0" FWVGA. 326 dpi.

Nothing groundbreaking here when a two/three year old phone has similar DPIs.
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Groundbreaking compared to my current iPhone 3G, but not groundbreaking in that such high pixel-density LCD displays have been the market already for some time.

Canon 550D has 1,040,000 pixels (1250 x 832, I assume based on 3:2 aspect ratio), 3″ diagonal (about 500 ppi)
versus
iPhone 4 which has 614,400 pixels (3:2 aspect ratio), 3.5″ diagonal (about 329 ppi)

I have a Canon S90 with 461k pixels (784 x 588, I assume based on 3:2 aspect ratio), 3" diagonal (about 326.7 ppi) which has about the same pixel density as the iPhone 4.
 
nathanielng said:
Groundbreaking compared to my current iPhone 3G, but not groundbreaking in that such high pixel-density LCD displays have been the market already for some time.
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Please read through the thread before posting. This has already been discussed.

There are products in the 300 ppi range in the micro format category, but none over 3" in size because of scalability problems (the same reason a 260ppi smartphone display isn't used in a netbook or notebook, and the same reason a 180ppi notebook display isn't used in a desktop monitor).
Canon 550D has 1,040,000 pixels (1250 x 832, I assume based on 3:2 aspect ratio), 3″ diagonal (about 500 ppi)
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No. It has 1040k dots (347k pixels, slightly better than VGA resolution), about 170 ppi.
I have a Canon S90 with 461k pixels
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No, again, 461k dots, not pixels. Still a crisp display.

Panasonic leads the field in microformat LCDs with high resolutions reaching above 300, developed for viewfinders in products with price tags in the tens of thousands of dollars. Until today, such a process has not been commercially viable above 3". This is indeed groundbreaking, but not for Apple. It's groundbreaking for the engineering team at their supplier who developed it, and I can't wait to read about it in the trade journals in the coming months.
 
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