Next iPhone Screen Resolution Confirmed at 960x640

[Xibalba]

amazing. i am totally ready for an upgrade after sitting on the sidelines with the 3GS...but i had a little extra time to wait after upgrading from 2G to 3G anyways...

text clarity with that resolution even with the current phone screen size will definitely be impressive.

 

[SevenInchScrew]

Somehow I get the impression you're not laughing.

I was, and sadly I still continue to.

Wow!Looks like you are really butthurt over insults to your precious Zune!
To quote you:"Sad,really."

My precious Zune? I don't own a Zune. I have, and very much enjoy, an iPhone. Your rush to belittle me has caused you to miss the point. Par for the course, it seems.

I think you're attributing too much of that to the name.

The fact that this thread is literally FILLED with posts doing exactly what I predicted kind of proves you otherwise.

 

[sphoenix]

Seriously, what am I missing here? I might be wrong but this rumored screen seems ultra high def, not just high def....

iPhone UHD it is, then.

 

[troop231]

iPhone THX lol

 

[matticus008]

I think one DVD maker got fined for selling 16:9 (wide screen DVDs) that were actually old 4:3 material, bits cut off at the top and bottom so they were left with 4:2.25, and then scaling it up - so the customer paid for wide screen but got 4:3 with bits cut off at lower quality.

If they did, it was for lying about what they were doing in the disc specifications, not for the act of doing it in the first place or for selling it as a widescreen-matted disc.

The fact that this thread is literally FILLED with posts doing exactly what I predicted kind of proves you otherwise.

Filled with posts mocking the Zune HD for not having a 1280x720 or higher display? You're imagining things. The Zune HD was mocked for many reasons apart from that, and as I already said, any product name is open to jokes. Look no further than 'iPad'.

 

[powers74]

pixles

nice.

 

[LeoNobilis]

Wow, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

With my vision, I'll definitely be able to notice a difference between the old iPhone screen and new one. A slightly larger screen..like 4.3 at the most would be ok...but i have a feeling apple will go there in a next version or so.
The higher resolution will make text very sharp and allow one with decent vision to read some web pages without even zooming in! Once apps are rewritten...the graphics will be just as sharp as the text...I can't wait to see this new screen in person.
And honestly, a 5.5 in screen is just absurd...nobody wants a phone that big..

Dear Hefeglass, you'll find out [the very limited usefulness of the high resolution tiny, tiny screen] yourself when you sign up for an exclusive 3G subscription extension.
The one reason (out of the three) underlying my abstention from procuring a Palm Pre Plus - despite the excellent WebOS - so far has been its small screen size (and the absence of a software keyboard. The other two had to do with lack of proper off-line navigation programs at the moment, and the very limited memory).

Nor am I willing to squander €700,- + on a second single-network-operable LadyPhone (read: iPhone; indeed, in most respects a very good one, iPhone OS being, in my view, the second best - after WebOS - mobile operating system!) after I snapped, in frustration, my extremely slow iPhone 3G in two (on the premises of its repeated crashes and unasked-for reboots).
However, having invested well over a thousand euros in third-party iPhone OS programs, and generally - well, still - being a bit of an Apple sort-of-"fan" (read: an ex- Apple fanatic) I'd buy either an iPhone with a proper-sized screen or a WebOS-operated device with at least 4.5" screen (and no hardware keyboard!) if any of these existed now. Alas, it will take Apple a few years to design an iPhone for men (read: users with hands size L and larger). First, AAPL MUST cause mass addiction to her iPad to secure its unfathomable popularity, then - if she condescends - increase the screen size of the generation-X iPhones rather than reduce it further as AAPL is doing now!
You know, you, rednecks (nothing personal: for all I know, you could be a New Yorker), like clichés and trivialities and are remarkably manipulable; you cherish trends in cult-like fashion; you ape one another in the line of thought and express it in preposterously homogenous terms: electronics for you MUST (!) be upgraded every year, max. two - and MUST be initially produced NOT to withstand years of use because that's not what corporations (like Apple) dictate - and you all comply like one. At first sight, my ramble may appear out of context. The problem is, I think, that our disagreements have more to do with the above than anything else.

Now, please, tell me, objectively, how could you possibly effectively read more context on a screen SMALLER (although much higher resolution) than the current iPhone screen size? Do you read a millimetre-large letter better than a 3-millimetres-large one? Or do you expect Apple to supply a loupe with its upcoming LadyPhone?

 

[JoEw]

Dear Hefeglass, you'll find out [the very limited usefulness of the high resolution tiny, tiny screen] yourself when you sign up for an exclusive 3G subscription extension.
The one reason (out of the three) underlying my abstention from procuring a Palm Pre Plus - despite the excellent WebOS - so far has been its small screen size (and the absence of a software keyboard. The other two had to do with lack of proper off-line navigation programs at the moment, and the very limited memory).

Nor am I willing to squander €700,- + on a second single-network-operable LadyPhone (read: iPhone; indeed, in most respects a very good one, iPhone OS being, in my view, the second best - after WebOS - mobile operating system!) after I snapped, in frustration, my extremely slow iPhone 3G in two (on the premises of its repeated crashes and unasked-for reboots).
However, having invested well over a thousand euros in third-party iPhone OS programs, and generally - well, still - being a bit of an Apple sort-of-"fan" (read: an ex- Apple fanatic) I'd buy either an iPhone with a proper-sized screen or a WebOS-operated device with at least 4.5" screen (and no hardware keyboard!) if any of these existed now. Alas, it will take Apple a few years to design an iPhone for men (read: users with hands size L and larger). First, AAPL MUST cause mass addiction to her iPad to secure its unfathomable popularity, then - if she condescends - increase the screen size of the generation-X iPhones rather than reduce it further as AAPL is doing now!
You know, you, rednecks (nothing personal: for all I know, you could be a New Yorker), like clichés and trivialities and are remarkably manipulable; you cherish trends in cult-like fashion; you ape one another in the line of thought and express it in preposterously homogenous terms: electronics for you MUST (!) be upgraded every year, max. two - and MUST be initially produced NOT to withstand years of use because that's not what corporations (like Apple) dictate - and you all comply like one. At first sight, my ramble may appear out of context. The problem is, I think, that our disagreements have more to do with the above than anything else.

Now, please, tell me, objectively, how could you possibly effectively read more context on a screen SMALLER (although much higher resolution) than the current iPhone screen size? Do you read a millimetre-large letter better than a 3-millimetres-large one? Or do you expect Apple to supply a loupe with its upcoming LadyPhone?

all i hear is rant rant rant... ladyphone..... 4.5 inch phone! and ya....

the iphones screen size is perfect for your pocket and holding in your hand. It's not as you call it a "ladyphone" its meant to be portable not a bulky huge 4.5 inch phone and if you want a 4.5 inch screen phone go out and get an evo since i don't think webos has a phone that big.

Also apple is not making it smaller? It will be 3.5 inches as it has been for 3 years... it will just have a lot higher def of a screen and i will be able to tell the difference compared to my iphone 3g.

 

[j-traxx]

Dear Hefeglass, you'll find out [the very limited usefulness of the high resolution tiny, tiny screen] yourself when you sign up for an exclusive 3G subscription extension.
The one reason (out of the three) underlying my abstention from procuring a Palm Pre Plus - despite the excellent WebOS - so far has been its small screen size (and the absence of a software keyboard. The other two had to do with lack of proper off-line navigation programs at the moment, and the very limited memory).

Nor am I willing to squander €700,- + on a second single-network-operable LadyPhone (read: iPhone; indeed, in most respects a very good one, iPhone OS being, in my view, the second best - after WebOS - mobile operating system!) after I snapped, in frustration, my extremely slow iPhone 3G in two (on the premises of its repeated crashes and unasked-for reboots).
However, having invested well over a thousand euros in third-party iPhone OS programs, and generally - well, still - being a bit of an Apple sort-of-"fan" (read: an ex- Apple fanatic) I'd buy either an iPhone with a proper-sized screen or a WebOS-operated device with at least 4.5" screen (and no hardware keyboard!) if any of these existed now. Alas, it will take Apple a few years to design an iPhone for men (read: users with hands size L and larger). First, AAPL MUST cause mass addiction to her iPad to secure its unfathomable popularity, then - if she condescends - increase the screen size of the generation-X iPhones rather than reduce it further as AAPL is doing now!
You know, you, rednecks (nothing personal: for all I know, you could be a New Yorker), like clichés and trivialities and are remarkably manipulable; you cherish trends in cult-like fashion; you ape one another in the line of thought and express it in preposterously homogenous terms: electronics for you MUST (!) be upgraded every year, max. two - and MUST be initially produced NOT to withstand years of use because that's not what corporations (like Apple) dictate - and you all comply like one. At first sight, my ramble may appear out of context. The problem is, I think, that our disagreements have more to do with the above than anything else.

Now, please, tell me, objectively, how could you possibly effectively read more context on a screen SMALLER (although much higher resolution) than the current iPhone screen size? Do you read a millimetre-large letter better than a 3-millimetres-large one? Or do you expect Apple to supply a loupe with its upcoming LadyPhone?

you tried to sound all UBER intelligent but you Snapped your device in half. LMFAO! your iphone crashed and you took it personal. Caveman use the big words on forum to show caveman can use the big words on forum.

intellipostfail sorry.

 

[Minimoose 360]

Oh my God the nerd rants in this thread are ridiculous. Do people really have nothing better to do than argue the use of the term "HD" and DPI?


Damn. Anyway it looks like the iPhone G4 is going to look great.

 

[SirHaakon]

It's just a pair of letters. It's no claim about any aspect of the device's specifications and not even a claim of "high definition" anything. Like it or not (and for the record, I don't), 'HD' is the new 'Extreme'.

HD is an abbreviation for "high definition." Not sure why you're giving it a free pass.

 

[hefeglass]

I own a nexus one as well as a 3GS and although the n1 has a slightly larger screen...the implementation of the keyboard is so poor that the iPhone is my main phone now because i could hardly type on the n1. Also, that touchscreen was not helping things either. The higher resolution..(although not true 800x480 due to it's subpixel layout) made browsing some of the sites I run my business with much faster and easier. No zooming means less screen touches and no need for two fingers at times. With the current Iphone screen, i have to zoom in on these sites and if i am lampworking at the time, i don't have more than one hand to work with. My argument is plain and coherent, I had to stop reading your reponse after the second sentence...it was word diarrhea.

 

[ul1984]

The question is, when are we going to see a higher resolution (with resolution independence) on Macs? we've been stuck at basically the same resolution (~ 90 - 130 ppi) since the end of the 90s. How about doubling the resolution on Macs as well! (Yes games might run slow, but you could always run games at half resolution or something)

 

[NSMonkey]

My point wasn't about the relevance, or lack there of, with the Zune HD. I was only talking about how everyone here just lambasted Microsoft for putting the "HD" moniker in the name of a device that didn't have an actual HD resolution screen. Yet, now it seems like this new iPhone might be called the "iPhone HD" and even though the screen is well short of any real HD resolution, everyone here is just fine with the name. Again, not that I'm surprised with that reaction around these parts.

The new iPhone has almost 5 times as many pixels as the Zune HD, and yet you attempt to juxtapose the two so you can indirectly call MacRumors members hypocrites. I don't really care what kind of fairy tales people need to believe in, but this kind of thing does get old after a while.

 

[NSMonkey]

200,000 apps, and 50,000 apps are huge numbers. Eventually once you past a certain number (probably around 20,000) it doesn't really matter.

So writing an Android app at this point would be a complete waste of time. I mean, they already have more than twice the number of apps that "matter".

 

[NSMonkey]

iPhone OS is much more limited.
You can't change your background wallpaper

You can't pick a song from your library to be your alarm tone,

You can't set different vibration tones for texts/emails/tweets.

The weather app doesn't even tell you the weather because it's not a dynamic icon, it always says 73 degrees.

But dude, 73 degrees is like the perfect temperature. Why would you want to change it?

 

[GamecockMac]

The new iPhone has almost 5 times as many pixels as the Zune HD, and yet you attempt to juxtapose the two so you can indirectly call MacRumors members hypocrites. I don't really care what kind of fairy tales people need to believe in, but this kind of thing does get old after a while.

Yes. I absolutely could not agree more.

 

[matticus008]

HD is an abbreviation for "high definition." Not sure why you're giving it a free pass.

No, HD is a pair of letters that sometimes is an abbreviation for 'high definition' (and sometimes 'high density' or 'heavy duty' or any number of things, including nothing at all [e.g. Sennheiser HD-595 earphones]). Even 'high definition' is a term that only sometimes refers to the HDTV video specifications.

'HD' on its own in a name means nothing. HD outside of technical specifications is just marketing--naming something "HD" isn't a technical claim. It's just a name.

There was a line of flatware some years ago called "Sterling". The obvious intent was to cause an association with sterling silver, which of course evokes elegant, high quality, and expensive flatware. Of course, this flatware was stainless steel and mid-priced. All you had to do was flip the box over and read "stainless steel service set".

The Zune HD, the HTC HD2, and the hypothetical iPhone HD are all names, not technical claims. Dumb and gimmicky names, sure, but just names.

 

[MadMacxxx]

No, HD is a pair of letters that sometimes is an abbreviation for 'high definition' (and sometimes 'high density' or 'heavy duty' or any number of things, including nothing at all [e.g. Sennheiser HD-595 earphones]). Even 'high definition' is a term that only sometimes refers to the HDTV video specifications.

'HD' on its own in a name means nothing. HD outside of technical specifications is just marketing--naming something "HD" isn't a technical claim. It's just a name.

There was a line of flatware some years ago called "Sterling". The obvious intent was to cause an association with sterling silver, which of course evokes elegant, high quality, and expensive flatware. Of course, this flatware was stainless steel and mid-priced. All you had to do was flip the box over and read "stainless steel service set".

The Zune HD, the HTC HD2, and the hypothetical iPhone HD are all names, not technical claims. Dumb and gimmicky names, sure, but just names.

excellent post. /thread

 

[RalfTheDog]

When will the law step in and prevent Apple from all this evil innovation. How can the other companies make products that blow Apple out of the water if Apple keeps getting better?

It is time for the FTC to launch an investigation into Apples anti competitive product enhancements. Apple needs to fail their next few iProducts. How about requiring them to make the next iPhone case out of lime jello?

 

[SevenInchScrew]

The new iPhone has almost 5 times as many pixels as the Zune HD...

LOL! OH, well in that case...

...and yet you attempt to juxtapose the two so you can indirectly call MacRumors members hypocrites.

I didn't really have to do much work. It happens on its own now.

I don't really care what kind of fairy tales people need to believe in, but this kind of thing does get old after a while.

What "Fairy Tale" is this you think I'm trying to believe in? My only point here, and one that was easily proven by a large number of posts in this very thread, is that when Apple produces a device, the members here will bend over backwards to praise it. And conversely, when a competitor produces a device or product, the members here will quickly move to denounce it and claim it as a failure. That is what gets old.

No, HD is a pair of letters that sometimes is an abbreviation for 'high definition' (and sometimes 'high density' or 'heavy duty' or any number of things, including nothing at all [e.g. Sennheiser HD-595 earphones]). Even 'high definition' is a term that only sometimes refers to the HDTV video specifications.

I don't think you meant to, but you are just proving my point. The term "HD" means nothing. It is just marketing. We both totally agree on that. My theory, which was proven true in this thread, was that when a competitor uses the term, it will get mocked and laughed at. But if Apple does the same, well that changes everything. I mean hell, look at what the discussion here devolved into. Even if Apple doesn't describe the screen as "HD", lets look at what happened here..

With regards to display devices, the term "HD" has a widely-known general specification. If a device can display 720p or 1080i/p, that is what almost everyone considers an "HD" display. Can this new screen show either of those resolutions? No. It is very high-res, especially for its size, but it isn't "HD" capable. So what did the users here do when presented with that knowledge? Obviously, they changed the measurement for "HD" capability, in order to justify this meaningless term and praise Apple.

First is was the fact that the screen is only 3.5" wide. Even though 960x640 isn't "HD", at that size it is...

HD is relative to screen size. 960x640 on a screen this size is HD.

960 X 640 may not be officially 720p resolution, were talking about a 3 inch screen. At that size, 720p resolution would be completely pointless and retarded. 960 X 640 is more than enough and will look insanely sharp which qualifies as HD to me.

Next it moved on to "pixels-per-inch", or ppi. Even though ppi has never been a measure of "HD" capability, on this screen it is. Hell, apparently it is BEYOND anything we've seen before...

Find me a High Definition 1080P television with 320 DPI. A 50" wide screen with 320 DPI would have 16,000 pixels across... now that's just a smidge higher definition than 1,920 is it not?

Seriously, what am I missing here? I might be wrong but this rumored screen seems ultra high def, not just high def....

It also ventured into fully hilarious territory...

Apple's use of HD here might mean "high density" rather than high definition.

It is just as HD as video game consoles. The Call of Duty: Modern Warfare games run at 1024x600, which is the same number of pixels as the next iPhone. (not that I'd call COD:MW high definition in the first place)

Look, I'm an Apple computer user, and have been for a long time. I also love my iPhone, and more than likely will be getting this new 4th Gen iPhone, because my 3G is due for upgrade. But this type of thing is happening more and more, and it really wears on me. I used to laugh at the term "Reality Distortion Field" as just a silly term, used to poke fun at Apple users. But, the only thing that is getting old to me, is the fact that it isn't a joke.

Oh well. Trying to break the RDF is impossible for some people here it seems. I'm just going to go back to the "Console Games" section here. As illogical as the discussions can get there, they are nothing compared to other parts of this board.

 

[jonhcox]

LOL! OH, well in that case...

I didn't really have to do much work. It happens on its own now.

What "Fairy Tale" is this you think I'm trying to believe in? My only point here, and one that was easily proven by a large number of posts in this very thread, is that when Apple produces a device, the members here will bend over backwards to praise it. And conversely, when a competitor produces a device or product, the members here will quickly move to denounce it and claim it as a failure. That is what gets old.

I don't think you meant to, but you are just proving my point. The term "HD" means nothing. It is just marketing. We both totally agree on that. My theory, which was proven true in this thread, was that when a competitor uses the term, it will get mocked and laughed at. But if Apple does the same, well that changes everything. I mean hell, look at what the discussion here devolved into. Even if Apple doesn't describe the screen as "HD", lets look at what happened here..

With regards to display devices, the term "HD" has a widely-known general specification. If a device can display 720p or 1080i/p, that is what almost everyone considers an "HD" display. Can this new screen show either of those resolutions? No. It is very high-res, especially for its size, but it isn't "HD" capable. So what did the users here do when presented with that knowledge? Obviously, they changed the measurement for "HD" capability, in order to justify this meaningless term and praise Apple.

First is was the fact that the screen is only 3.5" wide. Even though 960x640 isn't "HD", at that size it is...


Next it moved on to "pixels-per-inch", or ppi. Even though ppi has never been a measure of "HD" capability, on this screen it is. Hell, apparently it is BEYOND anything we've seen before...

It also ventured into fully hilarious territory...


Look, I'm an Apple computer user, and have been for a long time. I also love my iPhone, and more than likely will be getting this new 4th Gen iPhone, because my 3G is due for upgrade. But this type of thing is happening more and more, and it really wears on me. I used to laugh at the term "Reality Distortion Field" as just a silly term, used to poke fun at Apple users. But, the only thing that is getting old to me, is the fact that it isn't a joke.

Oh well. Trying to break the RDF is impossible for some people here it seems. I'm just going to go back to the "Console Games" section here. As illogical as the discussions can get there, they are nothing compared to other parts of this board.

I think your feelings got hurt because a few people just laid some smackdown on you.

 

[MrCheeto]

< and then there are those that don't get pissy over internet bashing.

-.-'

 

[moa.k]

EDIT: delete

 

[Osnabrueck]

For all the fussin and feudin in this thread - little has been made of what a "huge win" the squared-up display means for developers and backwards-compatibility for legacy applications.

As for all the debate about "HD" itself... The majority of consumers associate HD with high resolution displays and nothing more. In a casual 'naming for the masses' context calling this display HD seems appropriate.

I can't wait to see the new display at work. It's going to look great.