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What good was the 4G when it sucked the battery life of the phones so badly people were tied to their chargers like umbilical cords.
Yep, great feature.

My point was they DON'T want to do like they did with the iPad and release an iPhone that 4G only works in the US/Canada and not the rest of the world!

But either way it won't stop me getting one but I'm hoping to get a new iMac first.
 
Just spotted a banner ad by Telstra (probably the largest carrier in Australia) which had this URL

I certainly hope so. According to Wikipedia, the most common LTE frequencies used around the world are 2600 MHz (~37 networks) then 1800 MHz (~29 networks). If Apple is including 'Global LTE' with their next iPhone, I'd certainly expect it to support both those frequencies.

Australia has a fair chance of being supported with its two 1800 MHz networks (Telstra & Optus).
 
At the very least, a Verizon LTE iPhone should work on 3G overseas. The current Verizon iPad works on 3G overseas with the appropriate overseas provider's SIM card installed, if I'm not mistaken.

Thank you. That makes me feel better.

Beeray
 
I´m seriously interested in understanding the need for LTE on a smartphone...
Can someone explain this to me? I understand the benefits if you want to replace your existing ADSL broadband or even cable broadband (Not fibre) with a mobile broadband that delivers higher speeds. But not entirely...I´ll explain why later...

What I do not understand is the need for the speed on a smartphone. The iPhone 4s delivers speeds to about 14 Mbit on 3G network, what do you do on your smartphone that demands higher speeds? Do you want to download apps 2 sek faster? Do you want pages to load 1 sek faster in safari? Do you want to recieve the mail 0,5 sek faster? I just don´t get it.

About mobile broadband here in sweden...
Every contract (on all carriers) that offers 3G or even 4G has a datalimit. The datalimit differ from contract to contract and from carrier to carrier. On mobile broadband the limits offered are between 1 GB to about 50 GB/ month. The problem here is that when you download movies, songs, games and play online regularly, you exceed this limit in about a day or two. That´s why it is not an option for most users to replace the existing broadband at home. I understand the use for it for students or people that travel alot, bur other than that, i don´t see the point. Even less if you have a smartphone that you can use as a mobile broadbandmodem (tethering).

Conclusions are that if you travel alot and have a smartphone, you can tether with an ipad or computer and would therefore benefit from higher speeds. For normal users that travel between home and work and use their smartphone only would not need the higher speeds...

What do you guys think?

It's not just about speed but also different spectrum that can give you better reception with lte. I get reception with lte in places I could never get 3G reception.
 
Won't get LTE in New Zealand until least 2014... But hopefully the iPhone will work on it!

From what I understand, with Telecom they're trialling it on their old CDMA 1800Mhz frequency - I'd say the launch is probably closer to 2013 given that now Telecom has spun off its fixed line business they really do need to put a lot more emphasis on growing their mobile side especially when it comes to mobile broadband devices. With that being said, their marketing is atrocious and it has only been recently that they've got the iPhone - for me I'm a happy XT Network customer but their biggest failings is how few customers realise just how fast and reliable the XT Network is these days especially those of us who live in hilly areas and Vodafone has neglected by refusing to implement a nationwide 900Mhz 3G network rather than just a few niche areas at the moment.


I´m seriously interested in understanding the need for LTE on a smartphone...
Can someone explain this to me? I understand the benefits if you want to replace your existing ADSL broadband or even cable broadband (Not fibre) with a mobile broadband that delivers higher speeds. But not entirely...I´ll explain why later...

What I do not understand is the need for the speed on a smartphone. The iPhone 4s delivers speeds to about 14 Mbit on 3G network, what do you do on your smartphone that demands higher speeds? Do you want to download apps 2 sek faster? Do you want pages to load 1 sek faster in safari? Do you want to recieve the mail 0,5 sek faster? I just don´t get it.

About mobile broadband here in sweden...
Every contract (on all carriers) that offers 3G or even 4G has a datalimit. The datalimit differ from contract to contract and from carrier to carrier. On mobile broadband the limits offered are between 1 GB to about 50 GB/ month. The problem here is that when you download movies, songs, games and play online regularly, you exceed this limit in about a day or two. That´s why it is not an option for most users to replace the existing broadband at home. I understand the use for it for students or people that travel alot, bur other than that, i don´t see the point. Even less if you have a smartphone that you can use as a mobile broadbandmodem (tethering).

Conclusions are that if you travel alot and have a smartphone, you can tether with an ipad or computer and would therefore benefit from higher speeds. For normal users that travel between home and work and use their smartphone only would not need the higher speeds...

What do you guys think?

Because mobile broadband was never designed to replace fixed line broadband - it was a complimentary item that allows you broadband on the go with your primary link being your fixed line. End of the day though the attraction to LTE is simple, firstly it is on a lower frequnecy in the United States (700Mhz) which means greater coverage especially inside buildings, secondly those of us to tether will get extra speed and thirdly it benefits carriers in that it is more efficient since it is a pure IP based network thus should allow a reduction in data charges as well - all around it is a win-win situation.
 
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My LTE speed in Phoenix on AT&T:
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In regards to this topic, the main problem with the iPhone in the US market is that the Sprint/Verizon/AT&T/Virgin Mobile, etc iPhone can only be used on *that* respective network.

The Verizon iPad 3 works on AT&T.
 
So it'll work globally on LTE, but only on the networks that it's compatible with.

That's pretty vague...

Gary

Meh, I have a feeling it's going to be like the 4S. So it (ATT iPhone) won't work on Verizon but should everywhere else
 
Didn't matter and was a battery waster until it's revealed on the next iPhone. Then it's - "well Apple waited until they could give enough battery juice to warrant LTE - my phone lasts wayyyyy longer than those Android phones" :rolleyes:

If you go back and look at the stories and comments last fall, the apparent reason for Apple not releasing the 4S with LTE was that the new Qualcomm chip wasn't out yet. It was in the pipeline, was scheduled to be out 3rd quarter this year, and everyone knew that it would:

Offer more battery efficiency
Contain all of the bands necessary to be a global phone

Now it's here, and the carriers (especially VZW) are finally starting to get saturation in the LTE networks.

Call me a fanboi if you want, but I am glad that Apple waited. The right move, IMO.
 
I have a microcell from AT&T due to zero reception at my house. Does said microcell become a large paper weight when I upgrade to an LTE-capable iPhone 5?
And does AT&T releases plans/pricing ahead of the 9.12.12 announcement? Thanks.
 
new iPhone battery runs at 3.8 volts and 5.45 watt hours versus 3.7 volts and 5.3 watt hours in the iPhone 4S.

I wish you guys would take a minute to research Ohm's law and power.

Saying a battery runs at 5.45 watt hours is like saying a pump pumps water at 1 cup.

Maybe this is nit-picky, but for a group of people that spend so much time talking about electronics, details like that are missed so consistently that its annoying.
 
I have a microcell from AT&T due to zero reception at my house. Does said microcell become a large paper weight when I upgrade to an LTE-capable iPhone 5?
And does AT&T releases plans/pricing ahead of the 9.12.12 announcement? Thanks.

No, as you can continue to use WiFi for data and 3g for calls/texts.
 
I wish you guys would take a minute to research Ohm's law and power.

Saying a battery runs at 5.45 watt hours is like saying a pump pumps water at 1 cup.

Maybe this is nit-picky, but for a group of people that spend so much time talking about electronics, details like that are missed so consistently that its annoying.

I agree with Absent ;)

To elaborate:

P = V x I
Power (measured in Watts) = Voltage (measured in Volts) x Current represented by the letter I (measured in Amperes (or just Amps))

So the new battery's capacity is 5.45Wh (Watt hours). The battery should therefore be able to sustain a power draw of 5.45W for a period of 1 hour, or a power draw of 1W of 5.45 hours, or any calculation that results in a total 5.45Wh (within the reasonable limits of real-world possibilities eg. the battery probably wouldn't be able to sustain a draw of 100W over 0.0545 hours (3 min 16sec) because the battery would very much likely MELT!!!)

Anywho, all you really need to know is that in increase in battery capacity of 0.15Wh is not much by any means (2.83%!!!) and is probably not even good enough to satisfy a reasonable expectation of year-on-year technology advancments in battery technology! I'm not an expert, but the increase in capacity will almost certainly be eaten up well and truly by the increased screen size's power draw, not to mention LTE's apparent hunger for power!!! (even if there is a newer LTE chip in place).
 
Surely I'm not the only one on here that fully expects (and demands!) that technology get bigger and better every year! I want LTE, and when I get it, I want the next best thing after LTE etc.

For those who are 'content' with 3G :confused: - good luck to you. I will revel in further advancements in technology (including LTE), and you will be stuck using an inferior technology (by your own decision) because of your absurd standing-still ideas. Well done ;)
 
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