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First off, I intentionally went from my 6s+ to my 8+ because it has touch id and I didn't want a new generation iPhone (OLED and Face-ID). The idea of face-id wasn't something I thought I'd like. I really like touch-id and have used it successfully since my 6+. What I love about it is, my wife can have a few of her fingers as IDs on my iPhone so if there is an emergency or she needs to use my phone, she can (and me on her phone). We've had to do this more than a few times and since Face-ID doesn't have a spouse function (that I know of yet), it's a no-go for me.
My coworker has an iPhone X and showed me how face-id works. Absolutely AMAZING. Before he even brings it up less than 3 inches from the table, the phone has unlocked every time very consistently. This has definitely changed my mind about it.
I agree - I've seen this recently with Forbes on enough of their articles over the last few years.
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I like it - I know there was talk about having finger print readers in the glass as a possible technology in the future - would be cool if they added it to the X's future generations or at least offer a spouse emergency face-id to unlock and use phone if user so wishes.
Till then, I'm happily using my 8+ and planning to for 2+ years. Loving this phone a LOT.
My coworker has an iPhone X and showed me how face-id works. Absolutely AMAZING. Before he even brings it up less than 3 inches from the table, the phone has unlocked every time very consistently. This has definitely changed my mind about it.
I agree - I've seen this recently with Forbes on enough of their articles over the last few years.
Me sad
I like it - I know there was talk about having finger print readers in the glass as a possible technology in the future - would be cool if they added it to the X's future generations or at least offer a spouse emergency face-id to unlock and use phone if user so wishes.Till then, I'm happily using my 8+ and planning to for 2+ years. Loving this phone a LOT.
These numbers are worthless it’s a poll sampling of 500 people verses the millions of phones in the US and all the other countries they are sold and if I’m not mistaken those people sign up to have their purchases tracked.
Again only people that know how many of which iPhone have been sold are a select few at Apple. You can not go by how are manufactured (even if we knew) as we don’t know how many sit in stores or warehouses or by some poll taken by a few. If polls were right Hillary would have one by a landslide.
Keep in mind these guessed numbers are in reface to Q1 as a whole and not in reference to Tim's quote.
- These numbers are guesses and have little basis in reality
- The iPhone 8 (8 & 8 Plus) had a period of 6 weeks on the market before the x was released
- How many iPhone 8s were sold before the X's launch?
- how many iPhone C's have been sold total?
They are basically the same phone, and both have Touch ID. That’s why I’m saying that both of them definitely outside the X cause people didn’t want trash Face ID.
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Yeah I don’t blame you. I just went ahead and turned all the security off on mine same as my girlfriend. So now we just both slide to unlock. Such a shame to give $1000 for a phone that doesn’t unlock like it should.
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I don’t have an security on my X and neither does my girlfriend. Face ID BLOWS!!!
They are simply NOT the same phone. Want to find out? Try handing out your "iPhone 8?" randomly to customers at an Apple store (or Best Buy, or wherever). I guarantee you that if you deal with 1,000 customers you will be the *only* person who's confused or apathetic about this issue. They simply do not compete with each other.
8 and 8 plus? I actually have 2 X’s 2 8 plus’s and 2 regular 8’s. The 8/8+ are basically the same damn phone. One is bigger then the other that is it. From what I can tell anyway. Oh and the dual camera lens on the +
No. It is far more secure Because Touch ID doesn’t hide the passwords at all when visiting websites nor does it request authentication on websites with passwords. It auto fills them without authentication once the phone has been unlocked. Face ID on the other hand scans your face everytime keychain passwords are accessed. That is to say that Face ID authenticates MORE situations because it can do so without having to touch a sensor. You’re already looking at the phone, so Apple added additional authentication throughout iOS. And apps that previously required Touch ID authentication also authenticate much faster because the user is already looking at the device.
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This.
And besides speed-during-use one of the best things about Face ID is that financial apps (banking, PayPal, stocks) that used to deliberately time-out your password every few months and make you annoyingly re-type them in for the sake of safety don’t do that anymore.
It’s one of the biggest benefits of Face ID that no one talks about.
Passwords used from Keychain were never displayed openly for me when using TouchID.
Probably because you have already authenticated with TouchID. Apple could have required another authentication when a password from keychain was used with TouchID as it does with FaceID.
The same could have been done with TouchID. Apple chose not to have a user re authenticate to use keychain passwords with TouchID. I do not believe this was a limitation of TouchID.
Authenticating again with FaceID seems faster since you are already looking at your phone. But really, how much time does it really save? Were talking milliseconds here.
As if the website now accepts Face ID data instead of a real password. And Apple surely can implement the same process when Touch ID was still a thing (now it is). Surely, user do not need to touch a sensor, but by far that “additional authentication” is still the same level as It was before. And no, Face ID take 4 times longer than Touch ID to authenticate. It has its own problem as well. I expect next gen Face ID speed and accuracy is on par with second gen Touch ID.
Alright. Completely misunderstood my post. I’m not sure if you’re intentionally misunderstanding me or not, as I’m not sure your motives. I will just say that, having used Touch ID since the iPhone 6 Plus and now having Face ID since November, the difference is night and day. There are benefits to both, but overall Face ID is superior. I never said websites use Face ID data instead of passwords, so again you’re either deliberately misunderstanding or you’re not reading for meaning. I said that Face ID authenticates before filling in the password from keychain. Big difference. And Apple does not have this implementation for Touch ID likely due to the annoyance of having to touch the sensor everytime a password is required. Face ID is seamless because it works automatically in situations where Touch ID requires the extra step of placing a finger on the sensor. Now if you still can’t figure out why this is a more secure implementation, I really can’t help you. Have a good one.
This is the explanation solving my confusion of “website use Face ID to authenticate” part. For any other part, I won’t trust Face ID is superior than Touch ID. It’s more of Apple’s decision to demote Touch ID than thinking it is inferior. I’ll wait the second generation Face ID out and see how good it is compared to Touch ID. I do not need to figure out if it is safer or not.
Last, thank you very much for your extended explanation. I appreciate that.
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I’m sorry. My claim is a bit exaggerated.
Uh it definitely does!! Hell you can have a phone with Touch ID unlocked as your removing it from your pocket. Phone with Face ID you bring it up to your face and wait about 3-4 seconds. When it works. When it doesn’t the lock just bounces and you have to enter the pin as it did on mine almost all the time. Before I removed that useless feature.
The strange problems that you have with FaceID doesn't transfer to everyone who owns an X. I use RTW with FID and it works so well that it is like having a phone that doesn't lock. FID is better for me than the TID on my IPA2 and my 6S.
Well idk how good Touch ID was on the 6s. Since I didn’t have one I had a 7 tho and it worked amazing. Actually miss my 7 now that I have this phone. I’m glad a lot of you guys x’s Work “great” but not all of us have that luxury I guess. Shame considering we spent the same amount of money.
Touch ID for the iPhone 6s was a turning point. That's when Apple implemented the second generation Of touch ID, making it much quicker than the iPhone 6 with Gen one of Touch ID. When I did own my iPhone 6s Plus, I had very few errors with touch ID and it was very fast.
Here are some observations about Face ID and the problems that people seem to run into and how it might be improved.
1. The setup process needs to be more involved, but especially provide scans from different angles. Too often, users’ faces are scanned at less-than-ideal angles. This is not a fault of the tech. But more variations in positioning during the setup might provide greater accuracy. Similar to how Touch ID setup requires repositioning of the finger, Face ID might need this, particularly for users who use their phone close to their face while lying bed etc.
2. Rather than prompting for passcode, a “rescan” button would help when a scan fails. And provide some visual guidance animation to help users adjust the phone to the correct angle, and some sort of message that says “Face ID has been augmented” to emphasize that the feature actually does improve over time. Because there is no “target” in the way that Touch ID has, there needs to be some assistance. During the setup process, there should be some brief orientation to how Face ID works reliably.
3. Provide an option to bypass the lock screen for users who find the swipe up slower than Touch ID for unlocking.
1. The setup process needs to be more involved, but especially provide scans from different angles. Too often, users’ faces are scanned at less-than-ideal angles. This is not a fault of the tech. But more variations in positioning during the setup might provide greater accuracy. Similar to how Touch ID setup requires repositioning of the finger, Face ID might need this, particularly for users who use their phone close to their face while lying bed etc.
2. Rather than prompting for passcode, a “rescan” button would help when a scan fails. And provide some visual guidance animation to help users adjust the phone to the correct angle, and some sort of message that says “Face ID has been augmented” to emphasize that the feature actually does improve over time. Because there is no “target” in the way that Touch ID has, there needs to be some assistance. During the setup process, there should be some brief orientation to how Face ID works reliably.
3. Provide an option to bypass the lock screen for users who find the swipe up slower than Touch ID for unlocking.
My experience has not been so. Until gen2 of FaceID is released, I very much miss TouchID.
I agree that there are benfits to both, but I totally disagree that Gen 1 of FaceID is superior to Gen2 of TouchID. I never had authenticating issues with TouchID the way I have with FaceID. That is not to say I hate FaceID. Just that I am so looking forward to Gen 2.
It is not some limitation of TouchID. Simply a choice made by apple. And I wish people would stop being so overly dramatic in regards to having to place your finger on a sensor that takes all of milliseconds to accomplish. Your thumb is most likely hovering over the home button already.
Opinion. That is all you have supplied. Nothing more. My wife still has the 7+. With TouchID, I can unlock my phone in any position, and at any distance. With my X, I need to have it a certain distance from my face to authenticate. In its current form, and in my opinion, FaceID is not superior to TouchID. Not yet. Hopefully, this will occur with Gen2 of FaceID.
My beefs with FaceID were not so much its speed but how it required me to hold and use the phone. It's currently too picky about angles and requires what I regard as extra manipulations of the phone. I think those could all be fixed with UI changes, though faster hardware is always welcome.