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Next Version Of Flash Player To See Performance Leap

longofest said:
Actually, they are announced that they are working on it. Early stages of development
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Adobe has embarrassed themselves several times with completely ignorant comments regarding the iPhone SDK. These announcements seem to be coming from marketing folk with no technical knowledge who glanced at the SDK docs briefly.

The SDK doesn't provide any way for developers to write plug-ins for Safari, so Adobe can't "provide" Flash for Safari.

Even worse for Adobe, the SDK terms specifically prohibit applications from interpreting or compiling code of any sort, so Flash is a non-starter.

The only way this could theoretically happen is if Apple relaxed these restrictions for Adobe. Apple has made no public comments to that effect; off-the-record, they've mocked the very idea. They have zero interest in it; it can hurt them in myriad ways.

There will be no Flash on iPhone. Just accept it and move one.
 
neven said:
Adobe has embarrassed themselves several times with completely ignorant comments regarding the iPhone SDK. These announcements seem to be coming from marketing folk with no technical knowledge who glanced at the SDK docs briefly.

The SDK doesn't provide any way for developers to write plug-ins for Safari, so Adobe can't "provide" Flash for Safari.

Even worse for Adobe, the SDK terms specifically prohibit applications from interpreting or compiling code of any sort, so Flash is a non-starter.

The only way this could theoretically happen is if Apple relaxed these restrictions for Adobe. Apple has made no public comments to that effect; off-the-record, they've mocked the very idea. They have zero interest in it; it can hurt them in myriad ways.

There will be no Flash on iPhone. Just accept it and move one.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Apple is working with Adobe on this, just as they are most likely working with Sun on some sort of Java support.
 
longofest said:
Wouldn't be surprised if Apple is working with Adobe on this, just as they are most likely working with Sun on some sort of Java support.
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Well, neither one of us knows (or can say publicly) but I'll stick to my opinion: Apple is making zero effort on this front.

What on earth do they have to gain by adding Java support? Giving un-Apple-y ubernerds access to really crappy apps?
 
BRLawyer said:
This is called bad coding, and abuse of market power on top of that...pretty much everything that Adobe creates nowadays apart from the Photoshop family is craptastically slow and bloated.

Flash is the single reason for making a browser crawl when surfing the web...nothing could be worse.
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Adobe's software is definitely bloated but speaking as a Flash Developer, the main reason ad are craptastically slow and affecting your system's performance is mostly due to craptastically bad developers. Alot of these ad companies go for the cheapest guy they can find to slap something together giving zero thought to performance/optimization. So this is another case of not blaming the tool, but the craftsman.

Flash doesn't kill your performance. Crappy developers do.
 
It's a turkey

I tried it on my two Macs, the PPC and the Intel mini. It produced absolute crap, a color nightmare, on YouTube and other flash video sites. I did hear the sound, though. There must be a conflict with Perian, perhaps? Or some codec out of my extensive library.
 
longofest said:
Wouldn't be surprised if Apple is working with Adobe on this, just as they are most likely working with Sun on some sort of Java support.
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Nope. Not happening, not now, not ever. Seriously, Apple gains nothing by adding Flash or Java to the iPhone. Name one cell phone that Java or Flash in its web browser. Not J2ME for app development, or Flash Light for...well whatever it's used for. The iPhone is doing just fine without Flash, and I hope it stays that way. I'd much rather see a missing plug-in box, than some annoying Flash ad that tries to eat my entire screen.
 
BRLawyer said:
This is called bad coding, and abuse of market power on top of that...pretty much everything that Adobe creates nowadays apart from the Photoshop family is craptastically slow and bloated.

Flash is the single reason for making a browser crawl when surfing the web...nothing could be worse.
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Agreed. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though and hope they see the errors of their ways. Good to see their working on big changes. Can't wait!
 
Makosuke said:
Wait, Photoshop and friends aren't craptastically slow and bloated?

Ok, maybe not craptastically so, but given that Photoshop won't even handle simple operations on a moderate sized image smoothly without well over a gig of RAM and several gigs of scratch drive space, I don't think it qualifies as even reasonably efficient by most standards.

Speed not good enough? Throw more hardware at it! That seems to be Adobe's solution to everything.

Also, have you ever tried downloading Adobe's Flash uninstaller? It's a 40 MB disk image. For the uninstaller. The hilarious part? The disk image contains a 608KB uninstall application and 38 MB of... blank space. Seriously--try it.

[Edit: Aww, they apparently fixed it in the latest uninstaller release. Now it's a 1.3MB disk image with a 608K app on it, and another 600K of empty space. Still ridiculous.]
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Actually I was gonna bash PS, too, but since it's still the standard for image handling, one may say that it's very difficult to replace it; so I left it out of the criticism, although you are right in your analysis.

Apart from the ridiculous Flash (probably the worst thing ever to appear in the universe of Internet browsing experience), I may mention other craptastic products...

- Acrobat Player and its Safari plugin; unnecessarily bloated and slow when compared to other freeware or Apple's offerings;

- The incredibly bad Adobe Media Player, with its ridiculous CPU loads;

- Adobe Help Viewer: what the hell for?

- Adobe's bloated uninstallers for everything, not to mention that they love to make products that phone home...:rolleyes:
 
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

There was a need for this improvement since sometimes flash seemed a bit slugish and clunky. Porps to Adobe, not let's hope to see something for the iPhone.
 
longofest said:
Wouldn't be surprised if Apple is working with Adobe on this, just as they are most likely working with Sun on some sort of Java support.
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well except apple has said that they don't want flash and they don't want java. Even Sun said "OMG NVM we just read the sdk docs. LOL! I guess we can't develope java. HAHA We're such noobs we should have read the docs before we opened our mouths ROFL!!!"

I believe that's a direct quote.
 
You have to...

Adobe requires that you uninstall any prior installed versions of Flash Player before you install the version 10 beta!
 
Crap-Ware

Doesn't work for me. Just produces a crap fest of colour and lag on every video i tried.

I was so excited as well. Frame rates on my old Powerbook are a slap in the face.
 
BRLawyer said:
Apart from the ridiculous Flash (probably the worst thing ever to appear in the universe of Internet browsing experience), I may mention other craptastic products...
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You do know it's Macromedia who invented flash. Anyhow, I see no point to post Adobe news on this board as the fanboys are more ridiculous then ever before.

Just get a decent machine that's all what's needed. I have no problems on a Quad with 8 GB memory using all CS3 products at the same time.

PS 10, just like the other Adobe CS3 progs, are not targeted towards Macbooks, Minis or G3 // G4 computers. Use old software with old computers, it's that easy.
 
emulator said:
You do know it's Macromedia who invented flash. Anyhow, I see no point to post Adobe news on this board as the fanboys are more ridiculous then ever before.

Just get a decent machine that's all what's needed. I have no problems on a Quad with 8 GB memory using all CS3 products at the same time.

PS 10, just like the other Adobe CS3 progs, are not targeted towards Macbooks, Minis or G3 // G4 computers. Use old software with old computers, it's that easy.
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So you probably haven't tried AMP and Flash in relatively powerful machines such as an iMac G5, right? I have a brand new iMac 24", but there is no reason to think that Flash should require a cutting-edge machine just to run crappy animations or ads.

And no, the "Macromedia" argument doesn't hold water...Adobe bought it a billion years ago and fully incorporated it into its portfolio...it's Adobe's fault, and Adobe's only.
 
Will this fix the problem of simply watching a Flash video shortening my fully-charged Macbook battery to 1 hour battery life? Flash wastes so much energy on OS X in general, and I'll have things like my fans cranking way up and my temperature at 180 degrees Fahrenheit.
 
MDiddy said:
Adobe's software is definitely bloated but speaking as a Flash Developer, the main reason ad are craptastically slow and affecting your system's performance is mostly due to craptastically bad developers. Alot of these ad companies go for the cheapest guy they can find to slap something together giving zero thought to performance/optimization. So this is another case of not blaming the tool, but the craftsman.

Flash doesn't kill your performance. Crappy developers do.
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No – it's flash. How could it be a flash 'developers' fault when it runs slow just playing FLVs?.. that's a case of picking your bit rate..
Flash on Macs has always sucked.. but wow, maybe 3 times faster it'll actually work
 
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