Agreed. Likewise, how could it not be flash when Flash stinks even on very resource non-intensive versions of Linux.
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Agreed. Likewise, how could it not be flash when Flash stinks even on very resource non-intensive versions of Linux.
Even more ridiculous: Function-wise, it's a Windows-style uninstaller, and it looks like a mixture between System9 and Windows 3.11. And to top it off, it searched /both/ of my hard drives (the boot drive and the backup drive!) for installations of the flash player and removed them both without actually asking you if that was what you wanted. Gee, thanks.
Exactly. Tell me it's the web dev's fault when Flash runs like garbage on OS X and fine in Windows when both machines use the exact same Intel chip and are showing the same flash content? Adobe just can't (or won't) optimize/correctly code Flash for OS X. It's as easy as that.
Went from 5.4fps to 9.37fps on this test:
http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html
So I guess I am happy, still HATE flash, but glad to see a speed increase. Maybe it will even be a little more by the time it is released, I just hope I can watch the 480p videos on Hulu now.
G5 iMac 2.0ghz 1GB ATI 9600 10.4.11 latest version of Webkit
EDIT: 480p on Hulu, still does not work, still extremely choppy. Even though I can play 720p H.264 much better, so Flash video still sucks IMO. I don't think it improved video playback at all, but I guess those stupid flash ads will use less of my CPU.
http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html
So I guess I am happy, still HATE flash, but glad to see a speed increase. Maybe it will even be a little more by the time it is released, I just hope I can watch the 480p videos on Hulu now.
G5 iMac 2.0ghz 1GB ATI 9600 10.4.11 latest version of Webkit
EDIT: 480p on Hulu, still does not work, still extremely choppy. Even though I can play 720p H.264 much better, so Flash video still sucks IMO. I don't think it improved video playback at all, but I guess those stupid flash ads will use less of my CPU.
jesus christ on a stick
And after 5 years of me bitching and complaining about the issue they are just now getting started, I swear what's the point anymore. We get the whole 5 years we will release something new, but come on its enough already getting ridiculous.
And after 5 years of me bitching and complaining about the issue they are just now getting started, I swear what's the point anymore. We get the whole 5 years we will release something new, but come on its enough already getting ridiculous.
It's always some mysterious "crappy developer" that's responsible for flash issues.
You sound like a flash developer worried that he might have to find a new occupation.
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jmadlena
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I don't think anyone expects CS3 to run perfectly on a MacBook, but the issue at hand is Flash. I shouldn't have to have an Octo-core MacPro to run Flash ads. And it is ridiculous that YouTube spins my fans so loudly. Makes it hot as hell, too.
Tried it on my 1.4GHz Intel Celeron PC laptop with 448MB ram. 20fps.
Mac Flash performance is pathetic. I know it's Adobe's fault, but Apple really needs to do something about it or they're going to be the ones losing face. Maybe they could write their own fully-compatible Flash interpreter?
YouTube broken
Still needs lots of work. I uninstalled the old version of flash and installed the latest v10 beta YouTube looks like this... excellent job so far Adobe!
Still needs lots of work. I uninstalled the old version of flash and installed the latest v10 beta YouTube looks like this... excellent job so far Adobe!
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YouTube vids look fine to me on 10. Lots of video sites claim I don't have Flash installed, though.
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Thanks for the link ... I just installed the v10 beta, ran that test and get 33 frames per second on an iMac 3.06 GHz with 4GB RAM. Looks great to me ...
Also, YouTube works perfectly.
I did the test:
9.3 fps on Safari OSX 10.5.4
32.0 fps on Safari for Windows (XP 32bit)
51.0 fps on IE7 on Windows XP 32bit (but gives a error in the end)
Wow!
Looks like Flash on OSX really needs to catch up!
9.3 fps on Safari OSX 10.5.4
32.0 fps on Safari for Windows (XP 32bit)
51.0 fps on IE7 on Windows XP 32bit (but gives a error in the end)
Wow!Looks like Flash on OSX really needs to catch up!
That is exactly the same as my Pismo. Running 10.3.9.
I did notice that YouTube actually played though!
No massive lag trying to click on things, and the frame rate was decent. Pity I can't watch anything though because It's all green and scrambled. For once the audio wasn't breaking up either.
Consider yourself lucky, on my Pismo the whole page would come to a screeching halt with v9.
Say, I've got an idea: What if Apple said "Sure, you can release a standalone Flash player on the iPhone, as soon as Flash plugin performance on OSX is on par with Windows. That would be really, really funny to see what Adobe's response was.
My point isn't that Photoshop is unusable on what was a one-year-old higher-end Mac at the time of it's release--it's not, I use it frequently--just that it's ridiculously resource hungry when there's no obvious need for it to be. Really, what features were added between CS1 and CS3 to cause such a huge performance hit (other than the preposterous activation scheme)?
And poorly-coded Flash ads are only one minor way of exposing Flash's performance problems on any platform other than Windows, they are NOT the cause. Also, any idea why Flash isn't multithreaded at all (or sure doesn't seem to be, based on what a badly-written ad will do when open at the same time as another flash animation)? Is there some technical reason for that?
Ok, you can argue that CS3 runs ok on a four-processor Mac with 8GB of RAM, but I'm not talking about trying to run CS3 on a G3 iMac or something. I bought an absolute top-of the line MBP 17" in mid-2006, maxed its RAM, and put the fastest 7200RPM drive available at the time in it. CS2 was the year-old current version at the time, but was not Intel native, so ran poorly. CS3, released about 9 months later, would be the first native version available for that pro-grade Mac (portable, but still dual-core and pro-grade), and runs ok so long as it is the only thing running, period. Otherwise it slows to a crawl, even with modest-sized images.
My point isn't that Photoshop is unusable on what was a one-year-old higher-end Mac at the time of it's release--it's not, I use it frequently--just that it's ridiculously resource hungry when there's no obvious need for it to be. Really, what features were added between CS1 and CS3 to cause such a huge performance hit (other than the preposterous activation scheme)?
And poorly-coded Flash ads are only one minor way of exposing Flash's performance problems on any platform other than Windows, they are NOT the cause. Also, any idea why Flash isn't multithreaded at all (or sure doesn't seem to be, based on what a badly-written ad will do when open at the same time as another flash animation)? Is there some technical reason for that?