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Next Version of Windows to Incorporate Advanced Touch Features

howiethemacguy said:
This is just Microsoft spouting more vaporware. They're always trying to make up for their colossal failures (Vista) by talking about the "next version" of Windows.
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Entirely agreed. After spending so much time developing Vista they should be banging on about how great it is until they're blue in the face in order to recoup the investment costs. That they are almost immediately talking about the next version of Windows and trying to hype that one up sounds very strange.

Regardless, the suggestion that we'll be waiting for Windows 7 to blow away the iPhone in 3-5 years time is just nonsense. One thing is for certain, we won't be able to move for touch interfaces when Windows 7 arrives so it's definitely going to have it's work cut out for it and will need to worry about much more than the iPhone.
 
I think people will be ready for the Apple style of touch technology in a laptop soon, if not now.

I constantly find myself starting to do touch gestures on my trackpad - like the 2 finger reverse pinch to make a photo larger. Its weird how quickly Ive gotten used to it.
 
Kelmon said:
Entirely agreed. After spending so much time developing Vista they should be banging on about how great it is until they're blue in the face in order to recoup the investment costs. That they are almost immediately talking about the next version of Windows and trying to hype that one up sounds very strange.

Regardless, the suggestion that we'll be waiting for Windows 7 to blow away the iPhone in 3-5 years time is just nonsense. One thing is for certain, we won't be able to move for touch interfaces when Windows 7 arrives so it's definitely going to have it's work cut out for it and will need to worry about much more than the iPhone.
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They are talking on and on about how great Vista is, have you been to Microsoft's site?

Also, all the info that has been given about Windows 7 is very vague and basic, hardly what you would call "hype." Just like Apple gave some basic info on Leopard a long while before it was actually released, it's the same thing here.
 
just wow...

Quillz said:
Do you think Microsoft cares that people are re-installing XP after buying Vista? The key thing is they are buying Vista. A sale is a sale, it doesn't matter what the end user does with the end product.
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LOL @ "a sale is a sale".

Yes, that IS Microsoft in a nutshell: it doesn't matter how bad our products are, just as long as we can sell them.

Regarding the main post itself: I really love Microsoft's enthusiasm about being able to catch up to Apple's touchscreen abilities within the next 3 years. They must have the idea that Apple's touchscreen technology won't be advancing at all during that period of time...

Because remember everyone: "you can do more when your phone runs Windows." LOL
 
Apple = survives because of the fanboys
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That's really quite funny. Apple is only around because of a band of "fanboy" zealots! Really? I guess you must have missed their double digit growth in sales, and rapid increase in market share; and unless you are going to claim that all these computers they are selling are due to millionaire "fanboys" buying up 10 computers each, I'd suggest you do a little research before posting such nonsense.
 
czeluff said:
LOL @ "a sale is a sale".

Yes, that IS Microsoft in a nutshell: it doesn't matter how bad our products are, just as long as we can sell them.

Regarding the main post itself: I really love Microsoft's enthusiasm about being able to catch up to Apple's touchscreen abilities within the next 3 years. They must have the idea that Apple's touchscreen technology won't be advancing at all during that period of time...

Because remember everyone: "your phone can do more when it runs Windows." LOL
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The point of a corporation is to sell products and maximize profit. Do you really think Apple gives a damn about its customers? Do you really think the health care companies care about your health? They don't. Neither does Microsoft. They are out to make money. And thus, a sale is a sale.
 
MarlboroLite said:
That's really quite funny. Apple is only around because of a band of "fanboy" zealots! Really? I guess you must have missed their double digit growth in sales, and rapid increase in market share; and unless you are going to claim that all these computers they are selling are due to millionaire "fanboys" buying up 10 computers each, I'd suggest you do a little research before posting such nonsense.
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Well, the fanboys do appear to speak for Apple in greater volumes than the "average" Apple customers. There's a reason terms like "Mactard" are quite pervasive these days, perhaps the brand has a bit of a smug image?
 
I've officially lost all hope for Windows.

I used to be a big PC fan, but today I had my run in with Vista for the first time, on my Step-Dad's new XPS laptop...

it's such a clumsy OS that just tries to look pretty... ugh, no more respect. :p

I'm also awaiting the purchase of my MBP come mid January.
 
Quillz said:
Well, the fanboys do appear to speak for Apple in greater volumes than the "average" Apple customers. There's a reason terms like "Mactard" are quite pervasive these days, perhaps the brand has a bit of a smug image?
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How old are you? I'm guessing somewhere around 17?
 
right and wrong

Quillz said:
The point of a corporation is to sell products and maximize profit. Do you really think Apple gives a damn about its customers? Do you really think the health care companies care about your health? They don't. Neither does Microsoft. They are out to make money. And thus, a sale is a sale.
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You're right in the sense that they're out to make money; you're wrong in thinking they can keep doing so alongside the complete disregard for the customer's views. Without SOME sort of positive feedback, it collapses quickly.
 
Quillz said:
The point of a corporation is to sell products and maximize profit. Do you really think Apple gives a damn about its customers? Do you really think the health care companies care about your health? They don't. Neither does Microsoft. They are out to make money. And thus, a sale is a sale.
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Actually, I think Apple does care, and that's the point. Yeah, it's a corporation out to make money. As you said, that's what all corporations want to do. But, some corporations are more progressive by nature. Look at WalMart. They're greedy dinosaurs. They don't care if they make the world better or worse, so long as it is cheap.

Apple wants to add value to people's lives. I genuinely believe it is in their DNA. Yes, they want to make money, but a desire to create a genuinely great product is what motivates them. It's that desire that separates the innovators from the followers.
 
Wow, before MS starts hyping the vapo-- er, features of the next version of Windows, maybe they should deliver a few of the many promised features that were dropped from Vista. :rolleyes:
 
End of Apple?

Oh my God, Apple is in big trouble! A Microsoft blogger has announced some cool features will be released sometime after 2010 to counter what Apple products had in 2007! :eek:
 
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yeh right
another system that will require 16gb of RAM
 
robbyx said:
Actually, I think Apple does care, and that's the point. Yeah, it's a corporation out to make money. As you said, that's what all corporations want to do. But, some corporations are more progressive by nature. Look at WalMart. They're greedy dinosaurs. They don't care if they make the world better or worse, so long as it is cheap.

Apple wants to add value to people's lives. I genuinely believe it is in their DNA. Yes, they want to make money, but a desire to create a genuinely great product is what motivates them. It's that desire that separates the innovators from the followers.
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Wants to add value to their lives? Within their DNA? ...

What they want to do is build great customer loyalty, because then they know those loyal customers will happily pay for overpriced hardware and annual services like .Mac. Yes, they are great innovators, but I can guarantee they do not care about their customers the way that some people around here would like to think they do. As long as you have the money, they like you. And this is true of all corporations.
 
robbyx said:
Actually, I think Apple does care, and that's the point. Yeah, it's a corporation out to make money. As you said, that's what all corporations want to do. But, some corporations are more progressive by nature. Look at WalMart. They're greedy dinosaurs. They don't care if they make the world better or worse, so long as it is cheap.

Apple wants to add value to people's lives. I genuinely believe it is in their DNA. Yes, they want to make money, but a desire to create a genuinely great product is what motivates them. It's that desire that separates the innovators from the followers.
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That's actually a valid point. Target, as a whole, very much values it's customers to the point of employees who don't won't last long (at least in properly run stores). I imagine Apple feels the same way about creating products that they believe in, although I'm sure people at Microsoft feel the same way. The difference comes in how there run really. Apple seems to have good management and Microsoft ... well, I wouldn't want to have to deal with the politics, let's just say that. I honestly think they've become too big for their own good (and everyone else's).
 
Quillz said:
but I can guarantee they do not care about their customers the way that some people around here would like to think they do.
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Apple's consistently high customer satisfaction rating and lower than industry average hardware failure rates as reported year after year in Consumer Reports beg to differ with you.
 
Quillz said:
Vista isn't a colossal failure. It's actually selling better than XP.
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And there's an explanation for that: Most Windows-licenses are sold when consumer buys a computer. One Windows-PC sold, one Windows-license sold. Now, as it happens, there are more PC being sold now, than there were being sold back when XP was released.

So, the thing is that people are not rushing out to buy Vista, there are simply more computers being sold, and those computers ship with Vista by default. The market for computer has increased substantially since XP was released, and MS is using that fact as "proof" that "Vista is selling better than XP!".

Apple's consistently high customer satisfaction rating
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Well, since large portion of Mac-users are quite fanatical about their computer-choice, then that naturally skews the results. PC-users are not that enthusiastic about their computers, they just see them as a tool. For many Mac-users, the decision to use a Mac is a lifestyle-statement, and they are a lot more passionate about it.
 
Bobjob186 said:
Let's be real, I love OS X, it's literally my favorite, but I can't stand reading posts by people who don't know anything about the actual computing.
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See that's the thing. Apple is trying to follow a philosophy that people shouldn't have to know how computers work in order to use them creatively or otherwise for their tasks. Apple fans are smug because they can accomplish things with their computers without having to have to do maintenance or driver updates or the other waste of time that consumes the Windows users.

Why would people have to care how an OS or a computer actually works while most do not know how cars really work? That does not mean people cannot operate cars sucessfully because they are designed simple.
 
Imagine my surprise - a Microsoft employee says we'll be blown away by some unreleased future hypeware product. Given their history with major OS revisions (Win95 and Vista), it MAY be out in around 10 years.

And please excuse me if I don't buy Microsoft's claim that this is going to be earth-shattering. They said the same thing about Windows 95 and Vista, as well. In fact, I'd have a hard time identifying ANY Windows technology that could be said to have blown away the competition - unless you count malware spreading capabilities.

Evangelion said:
Well, since large portion of Mac-users are quite fanatical about their computer-choice, then that naturally skews the results. PC-users are not that enthusiastic about their computers, they just see them as a tool. For many Mac-users, the decision to use a Mac is a lifestyle-statement, and they are a lot more passionate about it.
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Let's see. So Mac users are happier with their computers so we shouldn't consider their happiness with their computers as being relevant?

With that kind of circular logic, you should put in for a job as Steve Ballmer's right hand man.
 
it is nice to see some good research from microsoft. the closer microsoft can come to making windows truly quickly useable the better. apple invent best when under pressure i think. without such pressure we would not have osx.

i hope apple are pushed far enough to truly make something that they are capable of. but as mentioned in the article, it is unfortunate that even if microsoft invent a great touch manipulation, they cannot control that it is used or how well since they do not control the hardware that comes out.

it will not be microsoft who are famous for the touch, it will be sony or toshiba or whomever implements the system well.
 
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