Vista was supposed to compete with Panther. Not Tiger, but Panther. Should have been out some time in 2003. Leopard was delayed by three months. Can you see the difference?
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Vista was supposed to compete with Panther. Not Tiger, but Panther. Should have been out some time in 2003. Leopard was delayed by three months. Can you see the difference?
Nice. I cited facts (Apple's customer satisfaction is consistently higher than that of their competitors) and you respond with an ad hominem swipe at all Mac users. You know, the hardware failure stats, in which Apple does very well compared to other PC manufacturers--especially when it comes to critical hardware failures--is not subjective. It's based on numbers. You can try to write all that off by attacking Mac users or you can deal with facts.
BTW, did it ever occur to you that you might have the cause-and-effect swapped? Maybe the fanaticism you see about Apple's products is the result of their demonstrably better hardware and higher customer satisfaction ratings--not the other way around. Seems likely to me. But that's me. I like to deal with facts.
To all these people arguing whether Vista is a turkey or not:
The very fact that Microsoft is already selling the features of Windows 7 at every opportunity is proof that they feel their best strategy is to kinda forget that Vista ever happened and get people excited for the next version. Would they be doing this if Vista had been a hit? No!
The very fact that Microsoft is already selling the features of Windows 7 at every opportunity is proof that they feel their best strategy is to kinda forget that Vista ever happened and get people excited for the next version. Would they be doing this if Vista had been a hit? No!
I feel a lot of heat in this thread.
For me, Windows XP is great due to the flexibility and software available for it.
OS X is great because it works very well on Apple's machines, seems well designed, and in theory is supposed to work better than a standard OS because it was designed for the hardware Apple sells it on.
Linux is great because (Insert wonderful open source advantages here)
I enjoy all the three major OSes and each have their own flaws.
I can't wait to see Windows 7, the next Ubuntu, and the next Mac OS.
It's operating system love, everyone!
For me, Windows XP is great due to the flexibility and software available for it.
OS X is great because it works very well on Apple's machines, seems well designed, and in theory is supposed to work better than a standard OS because it was designed for the hardware Apple sells it on.
Linux is great because (Insert wonderful open source advantages here)
I enjoy all the three major OSes and each have their own flaws.
I can't wait to see Windows 7, the next Ubuntu, and the next Mac OS.
It's operating system love, everyone!
Well, Microsoft would look stupid doing that, wouldn't they? On the other hand, Microsoft has "wasted" hundreds of millions on fines for breaking the law in Europe. Microsoft playing games and buying votes trying to make OOXML into an international standard has severely damaged ISO. But that isn't stupid, that is just a business decision and the way Microsoft works.
Uh, no. Point is that buying a Mac is a conscious decision. People who buy a Mac WANT to buy a Mac. There's an element of selection right there. Selection that does not exist in PC's. people who buy a HP or Dell or some other PC are not thinking "I WANT buy a HP". They just want to buy a computer, the brand is not that important to them. Mac-users have more personal connection to their computer, PC-users does not. And like it or not, that skews the results.
Like I said: Buying a Mac is in many way a lifestyle-statement. You make the conscious decision to buy a Mac, you do not make a conscious decision to buy certain brand of PC, you just buy the PC that best suits your needs.
Replace "advanced user" with "virus writer", and no, you wouldn't want to compare them
Erm... The Wow starts... WHEN?
Wow... I can multitouch my bloated Registry...
Look at the way I can reach out and touch my WGA Activation..
Aaargh.. the DLL's are all over my hands... Must wash hands..
Unless Microsoft fundamentally change their management, design team and strategy.... This is not a current threat.
Wow... I can multitouch my bloated Registry...
Look at the way I can reach out and touch my WGA Activation..
Aaargh.. the DLL's are all over my hands... Must wash hands..
Unless Microsoft fundamentally change their management, design team and strategy.... This is not a current threat.
it is nice to see some good research from microsoft. the closer microsoft can come to making windows truly quickly useable the better. apple invent best when under pressure i think. without such pressure we would not have osx.
i hope apple are pushed far enough to truly make something that they are capable of. but as mentioned in the article, it is unfortunate that even if microsoft invent a great touch manipulation, they cannot control that it is used or how well since they do not control the hardware that comes out.
it will not be microsoft who are famous for the touch, it will be sony or toshiba or whomever implements the system well.
i hope apple are pushed far enough to truly make something that they are capable of. but as mentioned in the article, it is unfortunate that even if microsoft invent a great touch manipulation, they cannot control that it is used or how well since they do not control the hardware that comes out.
it will not be microsoft who are famous for the touch, it will be sony or toshiba or whomever implements the system well.
You know, Quillz, mastur***ion can be fun too. Maybe you should give it a try instead of trolling around here. Seriously, you haven't even made one valid point, and you know it.
Yes, Microsoft engineers can do nice things in their labs. The problem comes when they have to implement those things on other people's hardware and for the average user.
No, Apple's get a Mac ads aren't a waste of money. Advertising is a waste of money when it doesn't produce sales. In this case, it has been proved a funny and successful series of ads (see market share growth), so it's not a waste, it's an investment.
Yes, Apple is there to make money, and so is Microsoft. The problem I see is that when you buy a fridge, you shouldn't be a certified fridge repairer to keep it running, or to put a locker on the door. The same goes with windows. I make money helping people with their PCs problems, but I always tell them "next time, buy a Mac". When they don't, It's good for me, because it keeps me working, but on the long term, I'd prefer to see people switching en masse.
Why all this polemic about a guy who's doing his job? (he gets paid by Microsoft to diffuse their hi tech hype) I heard the very same conversation years ago (I think in 2003 or 2004) about the "rumored" ground-breaking 3D interface. Now you see the result. Apple has done it right with exposé or app exposé. Microsoft has failed with a fancier 3D stack of windows that doesn't even allow to see the contents of the windows. They will probably try to implement touch on the existing windows interface, because the average user wouldn't buy a new windows if they have to learn everything again. That's the strenght of Apple and Linux: if MS changes too fast, people will feel so disorientated they will switch to Macs because they are "said to be so easy". Let alone if wespeak about 2009 or 2010 when Macs market share will be much higher than today.
MS Surface looks nice (although extremely limited) because it's 1: a single purpose device 2: they weren't tied to the same old interface, and thus, could implement multitouch without any limit. They will never be able to do the same thing on windows without losing a huge amount of people like my mother (I always use her as a Lambda reference user).
Yes, Microsoft engineers can do nice things in their labs. The problem comes when they have to implement those things on other people's hardware and for the average user.
No, Apple's get a Mac ads aren't a waste of money. Advertising is a waste of money when it doesn't produce sales. In this case, it has been proved a funny and successful series of ads (see market share growth), so it's not a waste, it's an investment.
Yes, Apple is there to make money, and so is Microsoft. The problem I see is that when you buy a fridge, you shouldn't be a certified fridge repairer to keep it running, or to put a locker on the door. The same goes with windows. I make money helping people with their PCs problems, but I always tell them "next time, buy a Mac". When they don't, It's good for me, because it keeps me working, but on the long term, I'd prefer to see people switching en masse.
Why all this polemic about a guy who's doing his job? (he gets paid by Microsoft to diffuse their hi tech hype) I heard the very same conversation years ago (I think in 2003 or 2004) about the "rumored" ground-breaking 3D interface. Now you see the result. Apple has done it right with exposé or app exposé. Microsoft has failed with a fancier 3D stack of windows that doesn't even allow to see the contents of the windows. They will probably try to implement touch on the existing windows interface, because the average user wouldn't buy a new windows if they have to learn everything again. That's the strenght of Apple and Linux: if MS changes too fast, people will feel so disorientated they will switch to Macs because they are "said to be so easy". Let alone if wespeak about 2009 or 2010 when Macs market share will be much higher than today.
MS Surface looks nice (although extremely limited) because it's 1: a single purpose device 2: they weren't tied to the same old interface, and thus, could implement multitouch without any limit. They will never be able to do the same thing on windows without losing a huge amount of people like my mother (I always use her as a Lambda reference user).
So? Is it the touch features that make the iPhone special? Of course not. It's the software. How the icons on the home screen fly in and out, how the "Slide to unlock" text has a cool animated gradient, how everything is animated. It's also how it's so intuitive and "just works". Microsoft software is never like that, even when they try and copy something, they always mess it up.
Who was moderating your application to join this forum?
This is not about "Fanboys" Apple does not survive because of "fanboys"
Apple survives because it innovates.
Apple did make it easy to set up a LAN. Microsoft makes it complicated. Microsoft makes it proprietary. Microsoft makes software that requires huge increases in hard drive storage every time they release something new. Microsoft makes buggy software that easily lets 14 year olds on summer vacation make viruses and malware to bring down large portions of the general working community. Microsoft makes software that ties people to buying more software made by them to get anything to work. Microsoft makes it necessary to buy a whole new computer every time they upgrade an OS.
"Actual computing" is about turning on your computer and being able to use it straight away without having to download MB of updates to virus definitions, being able to Boot in the first place.
Take your ridiculous invalid and childish "fanboy" comments back to a Microsoft forum where it belongs. Hell this was probably written by The Big Ballmer himself.
I'll stop now, I'm bored dismissing you already. In fact I can't believe I wasted keystrokes on this reply at all.
Now, there's no reason to resort to hyberbole. Some of the claims you make there are quite dubious.
I have been doing that with Windows.
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I think the real quesrion is: what kind of loser comes on an apple rumour site and argues with apple fans "how great microsoft windows" is?
I think the real quesrion is: what kind of loser comes on an apple rumour site and argues with apple fans "how great microsoft windows" is?
--And its pretty obvious that we'll see the next Mac OS X before we see the next Windows, historically speaking.
You probably don't have an XBox 360. I've also been particularly impressed with my ergonomic keyboard, and until Logitech upped the ante, the Microsoft Mouse was effectively peerless.
~ CB
This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin! I've been making a living from Microsoft products since DOS 3.0 so I do know what I'm talking about and OS X is light years ahead from a technical perspective. OS X is a full blown Unix with all the control and functionality that brings (starting with a proper shell and utilities).
OS X brings cross 32/64 bit compatibility across 2 processor architectures in a single installation with a unified driver model (try finding drivers for 64 bit XP or Vista to see the difference).
Yes, they have now dropped support for Classic apps, but I see this as a positive rather than a negative: Apple aren't scared of moving forwards but when they do they give users a lot of time to adjust and move with them (7 years for classic). Compare this to Microsoft who claim continual backwards compatibility but only if you've been lucky enough to stick with X86:
I don't know if you remember, but NT 4 promoted itself as cross processor with support for MIPS and PPC but with separate versions and they quietly dropped that support and left users out to dry with absolutely no way forward when they got bored.
nimda, melissa?
system specs for XP and Vista?
Leopard is running (very quickly) on a machine built in April 2004 with only 768MB Ram
And unless you never connect it to the internet ( or are happy to ghost an image back onto a new drive every few weeks) the virus definitions are downloading quietly in the background to keep your computing experience "safe and secure"
Or you've signed up and paid for the new MS solution which for an extra payment on top of the exorbitant price for the OS will protect you from the viruses and worms that their poor product development allowed to be created in the first place!
Did quillz change his user name or is this Bill now posting because Steve has gone to have a swim in his pool full of ill gotten cash...
Alert to the obvious...
Uhh, Quillz, in case you missed it, the site is called Mac Rumors.com.
You're not providing any sort of balanced, fair commentary, despite your claims to the contrary. You are a MS fanboy, an apologist who deems it necessary to come to a site devoted to the Mac and other Apple products and defend what many people see as being indefensible. Not only does that make you look foolish, but you obviously are a sucker for pain.
You are the classic example of the pot calling the kettle black, a model of hypocrisy that is unfortunately very typical of the vast majority of MS apologists.You are fooling no one here. Please troll somewhere else.
Uhh, Quillz, in case you missed it, the site is called Mac Rumors.com.
You're not providing any sort of balanced, fair commentary, despite your claims to the contrary. You are a MS fanboy, an apologist who deems it necessary to come to a site devoted to the Mac and other Apple products and defend what many people see as being indefensible. Not only does that make you look foolish, but you obviously are a sucker for pain.
You are the classic example of the pot calling the kettle black, a model of hypocrisy that is unfortunately very typical of the vast majority of MS apologists.You are fooling no one here. Please troll somewhere else.
Yeah right, I'll believe this when I see it. Anyone remember all the features that were supposed to go into Vista? By the time they'd cut everything out in order to release it within this century, we ended up with basically XP with Spotlight, a pretty interface and security in the form of "pester the hell out of the user until he gets frustrated and turns it off". None of the "exciting groundbreaking technology" like the database filesystem made it.
I don't know how long this is supposed to take, but they need to do something sharpish. I don't actually think it's all that bad personally (though not groundbreaking) but in terms of reputation, Vista is a bigger train wreck than even Windows Millennium, and I don't think even Microsoft are completely invulnerable if they're going to take another 5 years to produce the next version. People might be a bit sick of the sight of XP by 2012.
P.S. the mouse is not dead As long as there are people in the world who like to sit back at more than arm's length away from their screen, and can't be bothered to keep reaching up to scroll down for example, the mouse is very much alive.
I don't know how long this is supposed to take, but they need to do something sharpish. I don't actually think it's all that bad personally (though not groundbreaking) but in terms of reputation, Vista is a bigger train wreck than even Windows Millennium, and I don't think even Microsoft are completely invulnerable if they're going to take another 5 years to produce the next version. People might be a bit sick of the sight of XP by 2012.
P.S. the mouse is not dead
As long as there are people in the world who like to sit back at more than arm's length away from their screen, and can't be bothered to keep reaching up to scroll down for example, the mouse is very much alive.
Yeah, disappointing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPEypljdPNQ
I feel bad. Microsoft does great work and aspires high.
Something has happened to them somewhere. I think they need a sofware evangelist, and it absolutely CANNOT be Steve Ballmer. Maybe they can get Guy Kawasaki...?
They need to treat the existance of OS X with an open hand too. If Vista is better than OSX, then it should be simple to show it off (better in principle if not reality).~ CB
What the heck are you talking about? Vista was talked about for almost 2 years before it finally came! Yes, I think Leopard was probably rushed a bit, but it's not as bad as Vista is in it's first release (I have both). But Within the time that MS started talking about Vista, Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel, Revamped every piece of hardware in it's line-up. No matter what you think, also shipped a revolutionary new product with the iPhone and did a major release with it's OS.... whew... I'm worn out just typing it.
All I got to say to the Windoze Fan Boys that make their way on this thread is just stick with your platform and we'll stick with ours... then we're both happy right? UGH!
As for the MS touch tech.... honestly... I'll believe it when I see it. And besides... who cares???? I'm sure Apple is not sitting back taking a vacation yet and MS will have plenty to mimic by the time Windows 7 is out. I thought I heard it's going to be called MSOSVII.
Anyone know if Quillz is a "dvorakian" or an "enderlean", or maybe a straight-up msft employee? Back to the seminal post, if the Beta version is due in 2010, any idea when a functional product might be out?