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Next Version of Windows to Incorporate Advanced Touch Features

pmoeser said:
system specs for XP and Vista?
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System-specs for Tiger and Leopard? Looking at official docs, I notice that HD-requirements were tripled, memory-requirements were doubled, support for G3 was dropped entirely....

And note: Tiger was released in april 2005, so that increase in specs took place in about 2.5 years, whereas the increase from XP-specs to Vista-specs took about 6 years. So is it any wonder that system-specs increased more in XP to Vista-transition, than they did in Tiger to Leopard-transition?

Leopard is running (very quickly) on a machine built in April 2004 with only 768MB Ram
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Good for you! But your claim that you need a new computer every time you upgrade Windows is false. No, you do not. here's an article about Vista on an older machine.

And what about the claim that "you need to buy more Microsoft-software in order to do anything with your computer"? Are you claiming that you do not need to buy ANY additional software for OS X? So far, I have bought Aperture, Pixelmator, iWork and Cha-Ching for OS X, and I thinking about buying Scrivener. Are you saying that OS X has all that functionality built in, and that I wouldn't have had to buy all that software?

And unless you never connect it to the internet ( or are happy to ghost an image back onto a new drive every few weeks) the virus definitions are downloading quietly in the background to keep your computing experience "safe and secure"
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Well, XP running on my MBP back home has no antivirus installed at all, and I routinely connect to the internet with it. And, FWIW, OS X on that very same machine installs security-updates every now and then. So what exactly is your point?

Or you've signed up and paid for the new MS solution which for an extra payment on top of the exorbitant price for the OS will protect you from the viruses and worms that their poor product development allowed to be created in the first place!
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Um, I haven't done that either. Any additional BS-guesses you would like to make?

Did quillz change his user name or is this Bill now posting because Steve has gone to have a swim in his pool full of ill gotten cash...
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Yeah, I'm the ultimate Windows-fanboy. As evidence to support my fanboyishness I preset you with this and this

Seriously, is your way of thinking that if someone posts utter BS about Windows and/or Microsoft, and I dare to question that BS, I'm obviously a "Microsoft-fanboy" or something like that? That in order to be objective, I should just accept all the BS flinged at Windows? If I say something like "you know, that isn't actually true....", I'm being a Mac-hating Window-fanboy?

Would you believe that I actually use OS X at home and it's my OS of choice? But that can't be, since I'm a Windows-fanboy!

:rolleyes:
 
Europe calling said:
One of the main touch features will probably be 'control-alt-delete' replaced by a single wipe of your index finger? :D
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Tell that to our director at work, who is using finger swipe technology on a Toshiba laptop. If you listen carefully, you can hear him swearing at it from here :D


As for the troll, it openly admitted to trolling back on page 3 or so. Don't feed it.


I think Microsoft actually did quite well with 2000 and XP (don't kill me). But they somehow really messed things up with Vista. I don't honestly think it's that bad, it works for me (when I'm not using my Mac) but I guess all the delays and dropped features along with the naggy security just put a bitter taste in people's mouths.
 
Can't this MS people do anything else than copy Apple and Google, and tell us how we are going to be "blown-away" by the next years-from-now bloated piece of vaporware?
 
Smaugg said:
Can't this MS people do anything else than copy Apple and Google, and tell us how we are going to be "blown-away" by the next years-from-now bloated piece of vaporware?
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What have they copied now? THis touchscreen-technology sounds to me like extension of the technology in the Surface. And that was actually released before iPhone was released....
 
Evangelion said:
System-specs for Tiger and Leopard? Looking at official docs, I notice that HD-requirements were tripled, memory-requirements were doubled, support for G3 was dropped entirely....

And note: Tiger was released in april 2005, so that increase in specs took place in about 2.5 years, whereas the increase from XP-specs to Vista-specs took about 6 years. So is it any wonder that system-specs increased more in XP to Vista-transition, than they did in Tiger to Leopard-transition?
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Note to you: It may have escaped you but Apple is primarely a hardware company. Services (iTunes) come next and then software.

The specs for Leo were upped because of two reasons:
1) To sell more hardware
2) To save on software development (being able to cut really old hardware out)

Try and get your head around those facts. You winboys are really starting to look like douches commenting here based on random observations and feelings. :D
 
Curious, why are drivers brought up as a bad thing of Windows?


Lets pretend that all video cards were EFI compatible, wouldn't Apple still need drivers to actually talk to all the different hardware? Wouldn't Apple need drivers to talk to say a X-Fi?

I mean most things that Mac users would plug in (mostly USB or Firewire based) wouldn't require drivers to be installed. The things like the eLegato eyeTV have sotware that runs. It isn't like you can plug it in and use iMovie to record stuff.

Anyhow, the main topic really isn't that interesting. It will be at least 3 years before MS lets W7 out of the gates. And even then we are not likely to see all the features they are boasting about now.
boer said:
Note to you: It may have escaped you but Apple is primarely a hardware company. Services (iTunes) come next and then software.

The specs for Leo were upped because of two reasons:
1) To sell more hardware
2) To save on software development (being able to cut really old hardware out)

Try and get your head around those facts. You winboys are really starting to look like douches commenting here based on random observations and feelings. :D
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So you are saying Apple upping specs is okay, but MS upping specs is screwing their users?
 
Quillz said:
And it's funny how Apple was talking about Leopard more than a year before its original release date of spring, only for it be delayed. And then delayed again, all while crippling some features and removing others.
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You do know that Apple, in fact,didn't remove any features, right?

Now, if you're a typical Apple fanboy (as you say some of the other site users are), you probably heard about ZFS support, etc... but Apple never claimed to have these features implemented. Having someone else report on a feature being worked on in OSX doesn't mean Apple announced they'd include the feature.

Methinks you're confusing Apple with Microsoft; Microsoft's Vista was supposed to have 'WinFS' and a thousand and one other revolutionary features that were nothing but vaporware.
 
God I love these forums, to finally be somewhere where people hate m$ just as much as I do. And what brings me the most deliciously delightful pleasure is to see some whiny pathetic m$ guy come here and stick his d*** in the hornets nest by actually trying to do the impossible and argue how "good" m$ is.

Kind of reminds me of a funny T-shirt I once saw where there was a picture of Hitler holding a bundle of flowers in his hand with the subtitle "But what about all the good things Hitler did?".

Go on, we are all giddy, continue to squirt out "all the good things m$ did." we are all ears, I assure you.
 
geerlingguy said:
You do know that Apple, in fact,didn't remove any features, right?

Now, if you're a typical Apple fanboy (as you say some of the other site users are), you probably heard about ZFS support, etc... but Apple never claimed to have these features implemented. Having someone else report on a feature being worked on in OSX doesn't mean Apple announced they'd include the feature.

Methinks you're confusing Apple with Microsoft; Microsoft's Vista was supposed to have 'WinFS' and a thousand and one other revolutionary features that were nothing but vaporware.
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Wireless TimeMachine backups disagrees with you.
 
iCantwait said:
wikipedia that
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Let me repeat: what has Microsoft copied now? I'm not disputing the fact that MS has spent large part of their time copying others, but what have they copied now? We get a piece of news that say that next version of Windows will have advanced touch-screen features. And people start screaming that Microsoft is copying Apple. Well, here are few facts: Microsoft demoed their multi-touch technology before Apple demoed theirs. So how exactly could it be claimed that Microsofts multi-touch is a copy of Apple's implementation? This latest announcement seems like extension of Surface, which is already running a modified version of Windows.

Why isn't anyone whining how Apple copied Jeff Han?
 
boer said:
Note to you: It may have escaped you but Apple is primarely a hardware company. Services (iTunes) come next and then software.

The specs for Leo were upped because of two reasons:
1) To sell more hardware
2) To save on software development (being able to cut really old hardware out)

Try and get your head around those facts.
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Oh, I see.... It's bad for Microsoft to increase hardware-requirements of their new OS when compared to their previous, 6 year old OS, but it's perfectly OK for Apple to increase their hardware-requirements when compared to their previous, 2.5 years old OS because that helps them sell more hardware? Did I get that right?

You winboys are really starting to look like douches commenting here based on random observations and feelings. :D
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The fact I dispute BS does not make me a "winboy". Like I said, my OS of choice is OS X. The difference between me and likes of you is that I don't have to resort to lies about other Os'es in order to justify my choice of OS.

And "douche" could be considered a personal attack. you can't present your arguments without resorting to attacking me personally?
 
geerlingguy said:
You do know that Apple, in fact,didn't remove any features, right?
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Well, yeah they did. We were supposed to get wireless TimeMachine. Nowhere to be seen. Some of the photobooth videoeffects they demoed during the keynote mysteriously vanished before ship-date, apple.com told of feature that "deep-freezes" OS X and boots in to Boot Camp-Windows, but that feature vanished before ship-date. Where is resolution-independence?

then there are features which were implemented, but which function differently from what they were described earlier. In the keynote it was said that when you change a file, it gets automatically backed up. Only later did we find out that it's not continuous backup, it's hourly backup.

Now, if you're a typical Apple fanboy (as you say some of the other site users are), you probably heard about ZFS support, etc... but Apple never claimed to have these features implemented. Having someone else report on a feature being worked on in OSX doesn't mean Apple announced they'd include
the feature.
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How about features that were demoed to thousands of people during the keynote?

Methinks you're confusing Apple with Microsoft; Microsoft's Vista was supposed to have 'WinFS' and a thousand and one other revolutionary features that were nothing but vaporware.
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No arguments here.
 
Evangelion said:
Let me repeat: what has Microsoft copied now? I'm not disputing the fact that MS has spent large part of their time copying others, but what have they copied now? We get a piece of news that say that next version of Windows will have advanced touch-screen features. And people start screaming that Microsoft is copying Apple. Well, here are few facts: Microsoft demoed their multi-touch technology before Apple demoed theirs. So how exactly could it be claimed that Microsofts multi-touch is a copy of Apple's implementation? This latest announcement seems like extension of Surface, which is already running a modified version of Windows.

Why isn't anyone whining how Apple copied Jeff Han?
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His point was that Microsoft Surface is still largely a prototype product with nothing shipped to date while the iPhone is an actual product with units shipped to consumers, which is why he was saying "wikipedia that."

I am interested, though, why so many people are comparing Surface and these supposed forthcoming multitouch capabilities in Windows 7. Surely you don't want an input device as bulky as Surface needs to be to incorporate its veritable mashup of components to perform simple tasks like barcode reading and object tracking, in which case the technology behind this rumored stuff would be completely different in every element besides the fact that its some type of multitouch device.
 
Evangelion said:
How about features that were demoed to thousands of people during the keynote?
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Can you actually name anything? Certainly Stacks' functionality was changed from the demo at Macworld, but I don't think anyone is questioning a software developer's free license to make design changes to their OS. There's no use in nitpicking things to try and come up for a comparison with what is complete feature removal like was necessary with Longhorn/Vista to get it out even as late as it was. I'm sure there are some other things, but I'm sure you'll excuse me for not having a perfect memory for boding on every little change.
 
Evangelion said:
Would you believe that I actually use OS X at home and it's my OS of choice? But that can't be, since I'm a Windows-fanboy!

:rolleyes:
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I believe that I don't give a flying what you use at home or work and that as you are prepared to waste more of your time than mine defending the indefensible, and you also use emoticons to prop up an argument, I'm off to bed

rolleyes, rollonfloorlaughingatthetwatwhothinkshessuperiorbecausehelikesmsaswellticon
 
Evangelion said:
Oh, I see.... It's bad for Microsoft to increase hardware-requirements of their new OS when compared to their previous, 6 year old OS, but it's perfectly OK for Apple to increase their hardware-requirements when compared to their previous, 2.5 years old OS because that helps them sell more hardware? Did I get that right?
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There are couple of points here. First of all, anyone with a computer more than 3 years old is not in a position to assume full support from new commercial software (from Microsoft or Apple).

Secondly, Vista is bloated and runs worse on same hardware compared to XP. I think everyone on the internet agrees on this. When you compare this to Leopard it actually runs the same if not better than Tiger on supported hardware. I can say this from my experiences on iMacs (G5 and Intel C2D).

So what Microsoft basically did was an engineering failure. What Apple did by cutting out the old hardware was by choice. And in case you did not know, they have already announced OS X 10.6 will not support G5. There are four core G5 systems out there that could easily run 10.6 in a few years, but will not be supported by choice made by Apple.

Of course there are those who think this kind of behaviour from Apple is not acceptable but I for one welcome the future not the past.
 
Quillz said:
Vista isn't a colossal failure. It's actually selling better than XP. And corporations aren't supposed to be talking about their next products? And it's funny how Apple was talking about Leopard more than a year before its original release date of spring, only for it be delayed. And then delayed again, all while crippling some features and removing others.

And the Surface is quite revolutionary, but dumb Apple fanboys wouldn't understand that.
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Question for you: What do you think the percentage of new Mac purchases are that will uninstall Leopard to reinstall Tiger?

Now answer the question for Vista.

I'm glad you think the fact that Vista is selling _better_ than XP is progress, but the problem for Microsoft is that XP is selling _at all_. Vista took 10 nearly years worth of R&D out of Microsoft - when do you think they'll get paid back for it?

Sure, they can afford to take ridiculous losses, but that isn't the point. Vista is a failure from just about any perspective you can look at - except for one - people are buying new PCs so they are also buying Vista. The fact that a significant number are then installing Vista and reinstalling XP can be shown in one significant statistic; the cost of a new Windows XP license hasn't dropped a penny, and it's sales figures are still pretty high.
 
Quillz said:
Do you think Microsoft cares that people are re-installing XP after buying Vista? The key thing is they are buying Vista. A sale is a sale, it doesn't matter what the end user does with the end product.
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Yep. Companies should keep making terrible products so that customers can keep buying terrible products. Most people are smart enough to stop buying from a company when they realize their end product is a piece. Yes, Microsoft is making money from Vista everyday, but how many of those customers are switching everyday?
 
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