I think part of it is because components over time have gotten more efficient. Screens, CPU, radios, everything. Not to mention back then they didn't try and cram as big of batteries in the phones that they do now (2600+). Sure, the OS can play a part in it. But how much we don't know.
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I think part of it is because components over time have gotten more efficient. Screens, CPU, radios, everything. Not to mention back then they didn't try and cram as big of batteries in the phones that they do now (2600+). Sure, the OS can play a part in it. But how much we don't know.
That may have played a very small part, but android optimization is the main reason. If you don't believe me. Go look it up. Android was notorious for allowing apps to keep running in the background after they had been closed it. You would have to go to the play store and buy a task manager to stop them. Now Google has optimized android to do those things on it's own. Just like Apple does with the iPhone.
The difference with Apple is. The iPhone started out as a phone that could only run one at a time. As they have evolved they have had to make changes to save battery life because you can multitask on an iphone. Android on the other hand started out multitasking, but over time has tried to optimize android to be more efficient about it. Android has grown a lot in the past 3 or so years, and I see no reason why 4.4 can't do the same.
Read this:
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-2.3-highlights.html
I am a skeptic a well with that 2300 mAh battery. Was hoping for a 3000 like the G2 or at least 2700 like i read on the rumor mill. Im going to wait a bit to see what kind of battery life gets reported here before i get one. If it sucks then G2 here i come.
Went to Best Buy yesterday and they have ther Google stands set up. Two of them , one with Chromebooks and the bigger tablets and one with the N7's.
Asked the rep if they will have the N5's on the displays and they said they cant talk about whats not out yet. Seemed to me they will carry the phones there as well which is good news. Just hope it is the same price as the Playstore.
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That would make my day. But IF they sell them at all will the sell them right at launch??
If you want pure specs and a beastly phone, the G2 is the way to go. If you want more of a Nexus experience that's one of the most solid phones I've ever used, go with the Moto X. Or you can go with the Maxx, though the battery life on the Moto X is incredible as well.
All that does is simply mention that they improved battery life slightly with better background management. That was years ago. What you are talking about is an overarching change that encompasses every device it runs on. Optimization, like the Moto X for example, is specific to certain hardware the software is run on. Sure, either one would be great. But let's remember we are talking about optimization for specific hardware.
Look at when ICS came out with the Gnex. Horrible battery life, no optimizations to make it better. 4.1 rolled out, still no optimizations for the specific hardware in the Gnex. Then the Nexus 4 with 4.2. No optimizations. Same with 4.3. But with the Moto X and 4.2, it gets MUCH better battery life than the Nexus 4. Why? Because Motorola paid special attention to the hardware that the software would run on. Having this special attention to the hardware allowed them to optimize the OS to make better use of the available resources. Even the Optimus G did that with LGs skin more than Google did with the Nexus 4. If history has shown us anything, which I think it has, then it showed us that Google wants to build a base OS. A base that other manufacturers can build on. However, because they are making a base, it makes it difficult for their base to be optimized for specific hardware when other manufacturers won't run their version on that hardware.
That is another reason Apple gets good battery life on their iOS devices. They don't have to worry about making a base OS for others to build on. They do all the optimizations for their hardware themselves. Essentially, Apple makes the base OS and optimizes it themselves for their hardware. This is split up with Android. Google makes the base and slaps it on a Nexus device. They send out the base OS to other manufacturers and they do the optimizations for their own devices (think HTC One, Moto X, Optimus G). So there is a big disconnect between the Nexus smartphone and where optimizations truly occur.
History has shown us that there likely won't be any major battery optimizations in stock Android for Nexus smartphones. I don't know how else to say the same thing to you. It seems like whenever I say something, you just want to argue with me for the sake of arguing. Maybe you don't like that I am skeptical of the Nexus 5s battery life. I don't know. But I am not the only one here who is skeptical of a measly 2300 mAh battery powering a 5" 1080p phone with a Snapdragon 800. You seem to think battery life will be fantastic. And that's great, think whatever you want. But I think it's important to manager our expectations and draw from Google's history and other devices to get an idea as to what we can expect. And I can honestly say I do not think we can expect anything mind blowing.
No it seems you argue with me on everything. Saying that the android battery management was years ago is crazy. They fixed battery management across all of android. Which in turn fixed battery life on the nexus phones. Seeing that they run stock android it helped their battery.
Sure Google has done nothing to optimize battery life on nexus devices because they do that with android updates. The nexus 4 came out with android 4.2. They released updates to that which helped the battery life. 4.3 being the best for my N4. I am not sure what else I am suppose to say. Each update seems to increase battery life. What else can Google do but update android? Yes they could put a bigger battery, but that has nothing to do with the OS.
I don't think the N5 is going to have great battery life because I don't remember the last smartphone to have that. But I also don't think it is just going to be garbage. You keep repeating that the 2300 mAh won't be enough because that is what the HTC One has, and the screen is going to be bigger, so the battery will be worse. What I have been saying all along that the battery life is effected by more things than just the screen. Saying that just because it has a bigger screen than the One and the same battery size. It will be worse in battery life is not necessarily true.
I don't enjoy arguing, or for that matter even exchanging post with you. You seem to argue with everyone that post on here. I get along with others on here just fine, but I just choose to let people like you know when they are wrong.
Dont know since they wouldnt discuss it. However, they have all their products on those displays including the Google Chromecast that turns your TV into a smart TV. If it isnt there on Launch day, thats ok. Gives me a little time to see how the battery life is in here and if its good , ill just go down there and get one. Shouldnt be hard to get one if they are stocking them there.
That will be awesome if they sell the N5 at best buy. I hate ordering things online. I guess the only thing holding people is the battery life. I'm going to be realistic and not expect G2 like battery life.
Would using the nova launcher with the G2 be just as good as with the Moto X?
Nexus 5 review embargo to be lifted in 6 days? : shrug :
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/20/ama...-of-nexus-5-embargo-on-october-25-seems-fake/
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/20/ama...-of-nexus-5-embargo-on-october-25-seems-fake/
This is true. I do have patients with these things. I dont just go out and impulse buy when it comes to these things. I usually keep my phones for a while and dont like wasting money on restocking fees and such so i do my homework.
We all know the phone won't be perfect.
There has to be something negative about it, and I bet it will be battery.
Camera seems to be improved, great CPU + GPU, 2GB RAM, again 32GB option, 5 inch full hd screen, great back material, again LTE, etc
Seems like everything is perfect, but there will be something bad, and that only leaves us the battery life.
There has to be something negative about it, and I bet it will be battery.
Camera seems to be improved, great CPU + GPU, 2GB RAM, again 32GB option, 5 inch full hd screen, great back material, again LTE, etc
Seems like everything is perfect, but there will be something bad, and that only leaves us the battery life.
I would sacrifice battery for a good camera. I usually have access to a charger between my car and the office. A bad camera really cannot be fixed. I really just wish the price of the Google play S4 would drop.
Same. As I said before, I'm way more worried about whether the camera can deliver or not. How many times have cameras been hyped up with pixel this and optical that and wider this-and-that, and not actually deliver.
I think people are mostly overreacting to the battery size. 2300 mAh is a bit on the lower end, sure, but still relatively comparable to today's crop of 5" phones. It's definitely something to keep an eye on, too, though, but I'm way more worried about the camera.
Agreed and I had fine battery life with the HTC one. I think the nexus 4 had a lot of factors contributing to its poor battery... Not the size.
Same here. I never worry about my One's battery. If the N5 can get anything like that (even if it takes a few .1 software updates), I'd be happy.
The camera, however, even after the supposedly camera software update from HTC, still fails me.
Isn't the Nexus 4 battery good now? After the software updates? I don't know.
Mine is still pretty crappy and it's b.c I use the wireless charger. There are threads on the Internet about the wireless charging causing wake locks. I just do a restart first thing in the morning and it fixes it.
Really? I haven't heard about this. I'm not sure I know what you mean. How can a charger cause wake locks? I thought apps did that.
4.3 didn't fix it either
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-for-keeping-your-nexus-4-awake-indefinitely/
Wow, thanks for the link. That's pretty much sucks. I'll cross my fingers for 4.4.