Yeah I tested it too and I only have battery issues when I use the wireless charger.
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Yeah I tested it too and I only have battery issues when I use the wireless charger.
So if you stop using the wireless charger, this doesn't happen? Have you tested it? And is it specifically with the Nexus Orb?
I have not heard of this. Very peculiar.
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Wow. Bizarre. Well, all the more reason for me to wait on reviews of the Nexus 5.
It is with the charging orb. When I use it my battery is usually at 30% by mid day with light usage.
Just read up on it. Sounds like it's on the software side of things, where the wakelock doesn't detect you've detached from the charging orb.
Hopefully Google addresses this in 4.4.
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I'm amazed I haven't heard/read more about this. It must not be wide-spread? The article says it's affecting some users, not all. Bizarre.
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https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=52034
It appears Google at least knows about it and is looking into it. Also, if you read through the reports, there's a very wide range of this bug sometimes happening, sometimes not happening, happening randomly, etc. In other articles, it doesn't happen at all for some users.
Very bizarre. Thankfully it's on the software side. It's up to Google to address.
Hopefully Google addresses this in 4.4.
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I'm amazed I haven't heard/read more about this. It must not be wide-spread? The article says it's affecting some users, not all. Bizarre.
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https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=52034
It appears Google at least knows about it and is looking into it. Also, if you read through the reports, there's a very wide range of this bug sometimes happening, sometimes not happening, happening randomly, etc. In other articles, it doesn't happen at all for some users.
Very bizarre. Thankfully it's on the software side. It's up to Google to address.
Hopefully that's fixed soon because I really want to utilize wireless charging on this upcoming Nexus 5.
This is totally wrong. Optimus G gets better batter life than a phone with the same specs running stock Android. Simple fact.
Stock Android is a base OS with no true optimizations for hardware. A manufacturer skin is where the optimizations take place. The Moto X gets good battery life because the light "skin" takes advantage of the low power cores. I don't know how many times I have to tell you the same thing in order for you to understand.
Never said it will be worse for sure. It has all been speculation so far and I have just voiced my skepticism. I never said anything concrete, yet you are talking like I have.
Ooooooooooooooh is that what you've been trying to do?
Maybe take a look around. Multiple people have been voicing concerns over battery. I am not the only skeptical one here. You seem to be the only one who thinks it will have fantastic battery life when the fact is many people don't blindly believe that. You are alone in that.
Definitely not. Still sub-par. I was lucky enough to get order a Nexus 4 right away and got one fairly quickly. There has been no major change in power drain during use. Is it a little better at not being suck a power sucker while not in use? A little. But when actually using the phone, where it is most important, no major change at all.
And the weirdest thing is that the Optimus G, despite running a manufacturer skin and having the same specs actuallysgets much better battery life than the Nexus 4 running stock Android. It seems stock Android isn't very good with power. The manufacturer skin seems to be where all the optimizations take place.
If Google's history has shown us anything, it is that we shouldn't bank of them offering great optimizations for Nexus battery life through any sort of OS update.
This is totally wrong. Optimus G gets better batter life than a phone with the same specs running stock Android. Simple fact.
Stock Android is a base OS with no true optimizations for hardware. A manufacturer skin is where the optimizations take place. The Moto X gets good battery life because the light "skin" takes advantage of the low power cores. I don't know how many times I have to tell you the same thing in order for you to understand.
Never said it will be worse for sure. It has all been speculation so far and I have just voiced my skepticism. I never said anything concrete, yet you are talking like I have.
Ooooooooooooooh is that what you've been trying to do?
Maybe take a look around. Multiple people have been voicing concerns over battery. I am not the only skeptical one here. You seem to be the only one who thinks it will have fantastic battery life when the fact is many people don't blindly believe that. You are alone in that.
Definitely not. Still sub-par. I was lucky enough to get order a Nexus 4 right away and got one fairly quickly. There has been no major change in power drain during use. Is it a little better at not being suck a power sucker while not in use? A little. But when actually using the phone, where it is most important, no major change at all.
And the weirdest thing is that the Optimus G, despite running a manufacturer skin and having the same specs actuallysgets much better battery life than the Nexus 4 running stock Android. It seems stock Android isn't very good with power. The manufacturer skin seems to be where all the optimizations take place.
If Google's history has shown us anything, it is that we shouldn't bank of them offering great optimizations for Nexus battery life through any sort of OS update.
Yes, they have not yet. That conversation was about the wireless charging bug though.
Of the four guys at work that have the Orb chargers, just one had the problem. Google replaced the charger and that fixed it. I was impressed, they got it done in just four days. The general consensus is that Google's customer service is improving.
Weird. I thought it was a software problem, not hardware. Glad to see it's not happening to everyone though.
And my experience has been pretty good with google customer service. They are however very slow with refunding money to your account.
This is totally wrong. Optimus G gets better batter life than a phone with the same specs running stock Android. Simple fact.
Stock Android is a base OS with no true optimizations for hardware. A manufacturer skin is where the optimizations take place. The Moto X gets good battery life because the light "skin" takes advantage of the low power cores. I don't know how many times I have to tell you the same thing in order for you to understand.
Never said it will be worse for sure. It has all been speculation so far and I have just voiced my skepticism. I never said anything concrete, yet you are talking like I have.
Ooooooooooooooh is that what you've been trying to do?
Maybe take a look around. Multiple people have been voicing concerns over battery. I am not the only skeptical one here. You seem to be the only one who thinks it will have fantastic battery life when the fact is many people don't blindly believe that. You are alone in that.
Never said stock android had the optimization in it. I said they have worked over the years to make it better by app running in the background, and making it more power efficient. If you took what I said in any other way. I am sorry, but I am saying Google has evolved android over the years. Yes things like Sense, Touchwiz, and whatever the crap LG calls their junk of a skin are were optimization is. They have to because if they did not. The battery would not last 2 seconds. Having to run android, and then a skin on top of that will kill a battery.
I also never once said the battery would be fantastic. Again putting words in my mouth. If you read my last post you would see that I said no smartphone has had good battery life in the last 5 or so years. We as consumers have gotten to the point were we would rather see thinner phones than good battery life. I in no way shape or form think the N5 will have great battery life, but it will have good battery life. I am saying you writing off because it has the same battery size as the One, but a bigger screen is jumping the gun.
And yes I am arguing with you because you are wrong. You talk as if android has done nothing in terms of battery management, but that is just because you have don't have enough experience. Had you been using android 3 or 4 years ago you would now how far android has come battery management. Again not optimization just management. I am not sure how many times I have to tell you this, but I will continue until you get it.
I agree that there are optimizations included in the actual software skin and that examples of superior battery life exist. A certain degree of optimization must be attributed to the drivers though, which are the same regardless of the ROM. Like how the all the nexus, GE images are different.
Power management features may be available in the skin that are not in stock, but referring to stock devices as having no true optimizations for hardware is too much, they have the same correct hardware drivers as their skinned counterparts. Android is made to run on different hardware by default, its full intention.
I would word it as the stock device lacking 'software' optimizations (which yes, were designed with the specific hardware in mind), so I suppose I'm just arguing semantics.
The Moto X is an anomaly, if a GE existed(which makes no sense), the low power cores would have to be supported, similar to IR blaster & SD card in S4 GE.
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Voicing skepticism does not equal writing it off. It is just me simply voicing my skepticism. I don't know why you fail to see the simple fact that I am not saying anything concrete, just voicing skepticism. Why are you not understanding something so simple?
And what exactly have I been wrong about? Because I can list tons of things you have been completely wrong about. In fact, I just did in that last post and you completely ignored me setting you straight.
You are wrong again (surprise). I have been talking about major optimizations that are specific to certain hardware. Not overarching changes in how multitasking works. You are clearly just trying to change the topic so you can put words in my mouth.
It is simply management, not optimizations. Why you bring this up as if I have been wrong about is beyond me when we are clearly talking about optimizations and here you are confirming that I am right, no major optimizations. You are just talking about something off topic.
Funny, I have been thinking the same thing. But there comes a point when you realize someone is just a waste of time. But I just think some people deserve the benefit of the doubt every now and then
I have said it multiple times, this is pure speculation. Yet you say I am being concrete. You are wrong. Get it through your head.
You say the Nexus 5 will have good battery life. There is no way to know and you are just speculating. Yet you get mad at me for doing the same thing.
History has shown that stock Android does not offer great battery optimizations. The Optimus G is a perfect example of this as I have stated it multiple times. Yet you keep ignoring how you are wrong about this.
The screen uses more power in a phone in use than a CPU. Why do you not get it?
A larger screen size means a larger backlight. A larger backlight means it will use more power. Why do you not get it?
You say I am jumping the gun on Nexus 5 battery life yet all I have done is voice my skepticism. Why do you not get it?
Motorola has shown true optimizations for battery life, yet you talk as if stock Android has been having these all the time, specifically pointing out 4.3. Yet this isn't true. Why do you not get it?
Then when we are clearly talking about optimizations you try and change the topic to battery management. Maybe you are hoping to make a good point in that area, I don't know. But the fact is stock Android has not offered any major battery optimizations. Manufacturer skins have. Why do you not get it?
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Which makes the Optimus G and Nexus 4 battery discrepancies so interesting. It shows how much of a difference in battery life a skin can make. Either it shows how great of a job LG did or how bad of a job Google does with stock Android.
But ultimately it makes sense to not have major optimizations in stock Android because it is a base OS for manufacturers to build on. Having specific optimizations in stock Android can just be a hassle for other manufacturers to take out/change for their own hardware.
IMO it shows LG did a good job on battery with the skin. I thought there was a little more to the N4 OG story than just the skin - are there really no hardware differences? I wouldn't know if the OG suffered from the same QA problems either.
If it was the same hardware, without the QA problems - that's even more interesting.
Your skepticism is not misplaced, and there isn't much to debate, but we can look at the current and past playing field to try and get an idea of what the Nexus 5 might offer in terms of battery life.
And what many see is simply concerning. Not a big deal, or pissing match worthy.
How many 5" screens ship with 2300 MaH batteries and have great battery life? How many devices with screens that size have a battery that size at all. I'm sure this is no accident.
Big screens need big batteries. The Nexus 5 is the first device that I know of in recent memory that says otherwise. Guess we will see in a few days.
Voicing skepticism does not equal writing it off. It is just me simply voicing my skepticism. I don't know why you fail to see the simple fact that I am not saying anything concrete, just voicing skepticism. Why are you not understanding something so simple?
And what exactly have I been wrong about? Because I can list tons of things you have been completely wrong about. In fact, I just did in that last post and you completely ignored me setting you straight.
You are wrong again (surprise). I have been talking about major optimizations that are specific to certain hardware. Not overarching changes in how multitasking works. You are clearly just trying to change the topic so you can put words in my mouth.
It is simply management, not optimizations. Why you bring this up as if I have been wrong about is beyond me when we are clearly talking about optimizations and here you are confirming that I am right, no major optimizations. You are just talking about something off topic.
Funny, I have been thinking the same thing. But there comes a point when you realize someone is just a waste of time. But I just think some people deserve the benefit of the doubt every now and then
I have said it multiple times, this is pure speculation. Yet you say I am being concrete. You are wrong. Get it through your head.
You say the Nexus 5 will have good battery life. There is no way to know and you are just speculating. Yet you get mad at me for doing the same thing.
History has shown that stock Android does not offer great battery optimizations. The Optimus G is a perfect example of this as I have stated it multiple times. Yet you keep ignoring how you are wrong about this.
The screen uses more power in a phone in use than a CPU. Why do you not get it?
A larger screen size means a larger backlight. A larger backlight means it will use more power. Why do you not get it?
You say I am jumping the gun on Nexus 5 battery life yet all I have done is voice my skepticism. Why do you not get it?
Motorola has shown true optimizations for battery life, yet you talk as if stock Android has been having these all the time, specifically pointing out 4.3. Yet this isn't true. Why do you not get it?
Then when we are clearly talking about optimizations you try and change the topic to battery management. Maybe you are hoping to make a good point in that area, I don't know. But the fact is stock Android has not offered any major battery optimizations. Manufacturer skins have. Why do you not get it?
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Which makes the Optimus G and Nexus 4 battery discrepancies so interesting. It shows how much of a difference in battery life a skin can make. Either it shows how great of a job LG did or how bad of a job Google does with stock Android.
But ultimately it makes sense to not have major optimizations in stock Android because it is a base OS for manufacturers to build on. Having specific optimizations in stock Android can just be a hassle for other manufacturers to take out/change for their own hardware.
Whatever. I am done reading your crap. Think what you want to think. You think the battery life will not be very good. I believe it has a chance to be enough for daily use.
All I will say is you seem to think skinned android phones have it down in terms of optimization. I don't understand why you want a phone that you feel will be inferior in terms of battery life. Does not really make any sense. You complain about the camera, battery life, and screen of the N4, and feel like the N5 will follow suite in some of those categories. Yet you are planning on buying, and are joined in a thread about it. There are 3 android phones on the market right now will have a better camera, bigger battery, and maybe a better screen. Which all seem very important to you. Why wait on the N5 that will surely disappoint you?
Im guessing you are getting the Nexus 5
Im very excited for it, hopefully I'll get it right away but maybe not
Totally agree. Big screens need big batteries to power it. I think it is fairly simple. The reason the Moto X has good battery life is smaller screen, smaller backlight, less pixels, AMOLED screen, and specific cores for specific tasks. Nexus 5 will have none of that and a tiny bit bigger battery.
Honestly, the thing I am really interested in knowing is whether or not the Nexus 5 will have GRAM like the G2. That can really help cut down on power going to the screen.
No.Based on your individual experience with one Nexus phone.
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I have already responded to everything in this post multiple times, yet you continually fail to comprehend. Not to mention this is probably like the 7th time you've told me you are done talking to me, yet you continually want to argue with me.
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Yea I said would stop before, and I should have. All you do is twist people's words, and put words in people's mouths to fit your argument. Case in point our argument right now. I first called you out on the your thoughts that if the N5 has the same battery size as the HTC One. It will in your "speculation" have worse battery life than the HTC One because of the screen difference. I said there are many more factors than just screen size. I then listed some of them, and OS optimization was one of them. Now some how based on your last post that is all we are talking about. I never was exclusively talking about OS optimization. You want to because that best fits your argument. I have been talking about battery management in android, and android battery optimization this own time, and specifically app management. But again that does not work into your argument well, so of course we can't be talking about that.
I will say this for the last time. We have no idea what sort of efficiency 4.4 will be running. You always want to look at history. If we do that each new update for android has gotten better battery life. Should we not expect the same for 4.4? How much who knows. Will this help the N5 have fantastic battery life? No way, but I would not expect it to. Nexus phones have never had first in class battery life, and I do not expect that to start now. What I do expect is to have better battery life than the N4. I do not believe that is unrealistic to think.
If lay my expectations out as plain as I can. Here is what I would say. So my N4 can gets between 2 hours and 2 1/2 hours screen time. Maybe on a good day 3. Not great by any means, but usable none the less. My HTC One gets about 3 1/2 to 4 hours screen time. Not much more than 4. I consider that very usable for a smartphone. I can hope the N5 will get 3 to 3 1/2, 4 hours screen time. If that is the case for me that is very usable. I am not sure what your expectations are for battery life, but I could deal with that. I also don't see that being far beyond what we should see. I also would call that "good" battery life.
Wouldn't that be great... it would be the first time for a lot of people to go back to Best Buy in a long time I'm sure.
Not only are you twisting my words from previous posts, you are flat out ignoring parts of it. Everything you have said I have already discussed and shown why you are wrong. If you want to continue this discussion, go back and read my posts before responding with nonsense. Otherwise don't bother wasting my time.
I still wouldn't buy from best buy. If something goes wrong on your phone after 30 days, you will have to send it to LG. If you buy from the Play Store and something happens, they will send you a new device before you have to send yours back.
Something similar happened with my Nexus 7. I bought it at best buy and quickly noticed a weird rebooting problem. Of course at the time I could have just exchanged it because it was within the 30 day period, but I was thinking further down the road about what would happen. So after contacting Google and Asus, I found out that since it was not bought from Google, I would have to send it to Asus after the 30 day period. I would have to pay to ship it to them, and they wouldn't send me another device until they receive mine and confirm something is wrong. Ultimately this means that I would go 2-3 weeks without a device. However, with Google they pay for you to ship it and you don't have to send yours in until after you receive the new unit. So I returned my Nexus 7 to best buy and bought one on Google Play. I will never buy another Nexus device from anywhere but Google Play because of Google's support.
You proved nothing wrong. If you want to ignore post that prove you wrong then go right ahead. I am sorry you have this need to be right all the time, and if you are not then you would either tell someone that the discussion was not even about that topic. Or you won't even respond to it.
I can't imagine I am the only person that feels this way, but I have no idea how anyone has a single discussion with you on here. Every single simple discussion turns into an argument with you. If you can't win an argument. You just say you have proven someone wrong before, and you want discuss anymore.
All I can say is I have never run into anyone on this site like you, and I hope I never do. I hope Google will hurry up and release the N5, so I can't stop even looking at this thread. There has not been much time at all on this thread that you are not arguing with someone. I just hope you are never part of any other thread I am. There is only one other person I feel this way about on here. I have had heated discussions with people on here, but never gotten to this point before. Ask Couch we had a heated disagreement about the return policy of the iPhone, but we figured it out. I am very surprised more people have not posted something similar about you.