Nexus 5

[THE JUICEMAN]

I still wouldn't buy from best buy. If something goes wrong on your phone after 30 days, you will have to send it to LG. If you buy from the Play Store and something happens, they will send you a new device before you have to send yours back.

Something similar happened with my Nexus 7. I bought it at best buy and quickly noticed a weird rebooting problem. Of course at the time I could have just exchanged it because it was within the 30 day period, but I was thinking further down the road about what would happen. So after contacting Google and Asus, I found out that since it was not bought from Google, I would have to send it to Asus after the 30 day period. I would have to pay to ship it to them, and they wouldn't send me another device until they receive mine and confirm something is wrong. Ultimately this means that I would go 2-3 weeks without a device. However, with Google they pay for you to ship it and you don't have to send yours in until after you receive the new unit. So I returned my Nexus 7 to best buy and bought one on Google Play. I will never buy another Nexus device from anywhere but Google Play because of Google's support.

GREAT to know. This is very important. I don't know if I want to purchase from best buy anymore knowing this.

 

[Stooby Mcdoobie]

GREAT to know. This is very important. I don't know if I want to purchase from best buy anymore knowing this.

Agreed. Was also considering a purchase from BB (assuming they have stock on release day), but think I'll just stick with the Play store instead.

 

[strausd]

You proved nothing wrong. If you want to ignore post that prove you wrong then go right ahead. I am sorry you have this need to be right all the time, and if you are not then you would either tell someone that the discussion was not even about that topic. Or you won't even respond to it.

I can't imagine I am the only person that feels this way, but I have no idea how anyone has a single discussion with you on here. Every single simple discussion turns into an argument with you. If you can't win an argument. You just say you have proven someone wrong before, and you want discuss anymore.

All I can say is I have never run into anyone on this site like you, and I hope I never do. I hope Google will hurry up and release the N5, so I can't stop even looking at this thread. There has not been much time at all on this thread that you are not arguing with someone. I just hope you are never part of any other thread I am. There is only one other person I feel this way about on here. I have had heated discussions with people on here, but never gotten to this point before. Ask Couch we had a heated disagreement about the return policy of the iPhone, but we figured it out. I am very surprised more people have not posted something similar about you.

I don't know why you hate me so much. Just because I disagree with you and can backup my opinion? I seem to be getting along just fine with plenty of other people on here. You seem to be the only one that has a problem with me. Look around. I'm talking with other people just fine. And here you are saying you hope you never talk to anyone like me again? Chill with the personal attacks. If you want to keep this discussion going that's fine, but keep it civil and don't respond until you understand what I have already posted.

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GREAT to know. This is very important. I don't know if I want to purchase from best buy anymore knowing this.

Agreed. Was also considering a purchase from BB (assuming they have stock on release day), but think I'll just stick with the Play store instead.

With the Nexus 7, the only benefit to buying from Best Buy was because they got it earlier. But I certainly don't plan on making that mistake again this time around. I'm all Google Play, even if it takes a couple extra days to get the device.

 

[bmac4]

I don't know why you hate me so much. Just because I disagree with you and can backup my opinion? I seem to be getting along just fine with plenty of other people on here. You seem to be the only one that has a problem with me. Look around. I'm talking with other people just fine. And here you are saying you hope you never talk to anyone like me again? Chill with the personal attacks. If you want to keep this discussion going that's fine, but keep it civil and don't respond until you understand what I have already posted.

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With the Nexus 7, the only benefit to buying from Best Buy was because they got it earlier. But I certainly don't plan on making that mistake again this time around. I'm all Google Play, even if it takes a couple extra days to get the device.

I understand what you said. You font get what I said. You choose to ignore or throw out what I said about battery management because in your words we were not talking about that. We clearly were, or at least I was. Look at some of your post to me, and tell me who had been making personal attacks.

Also you can't backup crap. You choose to ignore the facts that don't agree with yours. Sorry, but you have done is prove that you only see things one way.

 

[strausd]

I understand what you said. You font get what I said. You choose to ignore or throw out what I said about battery management because in your words we were not talking about that. We clearly were, or at least I was. Look at some of your post to me, and tell me who had been making personal attacks.

Also you can't backup crap. You choose to ignore the facts that don't agree with yours. Sorry, but you have done is prove that you only see things one way.

Changing the way multitasking works != specific optimization for specific hardware

Stock android being more energy efficient than skins is not true and evidence points to the opposite

Moto X shows true optimizations

Google's history has shown they have implemented no major battery optimizations in stock android

Stock Android serves as a base OS and optimization typically takes place in skins

Screen takes up more power in use than CPU

Bigger screen means bigger backlight which means higher power drain

That's all the stuff I have brought up and backed up as well. And you say I ignore facts? You don't even realize that the screen is the biggest power drain in a phone in use! Above are perfect examples of what I have been talking about and what you have been ignoring. You keep posting to me as if I haven't said anything of value. But there is everything I have talked about, none of which you have been able to adequately counter. Maybe you are ignoring my points because you don't like that I'm right, or maybe you just don't understand the simple facts. Either way, if you can't respond to what we are talking about and stay on topic without understanding a simple comment, don't waste anymore of my time. I'm getting along fine with other people, yet in your last post you said I wasn't. Funny how you ignore that this time around. Maybe you should take a second to realize that I am having perfectly fine discussions with multiple other people who are staying on topic. The only problem is you. I tried to tell you that you didn't understand what we were talking about and that you just argue for the sake of arguing. How did you respond? By trying to argue with me and tell me I don't backup "crap." Grow up man. Try and have a civil discussion and stay on topic. If you can't understand what is being discussed, instead of just making stuff up just don't respond.

 

[nospleen]

Hopefully we can get back on topic. Anyone have any updates on the estimated release date?

 

[bmac4]

Changing the way multitasking works != specific optimization for specific hardware

Stock android being more energy efficient than skins is not true and evidence points to the opposite

Moto X shows true optimizations

Google's history has shown they have implemented no major battery optimizations in stock android

Stock Android serves as a base OS and optimization typically takes place in skins

Screen takes up more power in use than CPU

Bigger screen means bigger backlight which means higher power drain

That's all the stuff I have brought up and backed up as well. And you say I ignore facts? You don't even realize that the screen is the biggest power drain in a phone in use! Above are perfect examples of what I have been talking about and what you have been ignoring. You keep posting to me as if I haven't said anything of value. But there is everything I have talked about, none of which you have been able to adequately counter. Maybe you are ignoring my points because you don't like that I'm right, or maybe you just don't understand the simple facts. Either way, if you can't respond to what we are talking about and stay on topic without understanding a simple comment, don't waste anymore of my time. I'm getting along fine with other people, yet in your last post you said I wasn't. Funny how you ignore that this time around. Maybe you should take a second to realize that I am having perfectly fine discussions with multiple other people who are staying on topic. The only problem is you. I tried to tell you that you didn't understand what we were talking about and that you just argue for the sake of arguing. How did you respond? By trying to argue with me and tell me I don't backup "crap." Grow up man. Try and have a civil discussion and stay on topic. If you can't understand what is being discussed, instead of just making stuff up just don't respond.

Alright first you started the argument about the back button with Couch and others. Then you argued with me about screw ups in nexus phones. Then you started arguing about Siri and Google now, and made at least one other person mad. Now this one. That would be be 4 that I have seen. So no I am not arguing for the sake of arguing.

Power optimization does come from skins. I said that I agreed. I said power management from android not skins. Google has changed the way android handles power management over the years. No that is not optimization, but I don't care about that. I am strictly talking about anything that helps battery life.

Screen size I told yes that I agree the screen is the biggest battery drain. Again you choose not see that. I also said the screen is not the only thing that drains battery, but again all you say is the screen is the biggest.

All you are going to say over and over is that the screen is big so it will take up power, and it want be any good. Sure what ever you want to say. You also missed what I suggested as good enough battery, but again that seems to be the theme with you.

I am not sure there is anything left to say. You have been really rude which is nothing different from what you have been doing all along. I have pointed out 4 times that you were the cause of the argument, so sire you can hold a conversation with others, but any argument on this theme you are in the middle of it. I am not sure how else to put it.

 

[iEnvy]

Hopefully we can get back on topic. Anyone have any updates on the estimated release date?

Hear ye. Most likely a week after the "announcement" on the 24th.

 

[strausd]

Alright first you started the argument about the back button with Couch and others.

I stated the inconsistencies. Go back, even he admitted to the back button being inconsistent. Here you are twisting things again.

Then you argued with me about screw ups in nexus phones.

Yes, I said the Nexus 4 has screw ups. Even more recently on this thread there has been discussion of the Nexus 4 problem with wireless charging and wakelocks. It has problems. I was right. You were wrong.

Then you started arguing about Siri and Google now,

I stated my opinion on the issues with Google Now. In the alternatives section there is even a whole thread dedicated to this issue where others mention the issues with Google Now. I am clearly not alone.

and made at least one other person mad.

Since when is me pointing out the issues in a software program something for people to get mad about? Most people involved in that discussion where in agreement: Google Now has problems. One other person just didn't agree with the rest. Then you jumped in just for the sake of arguing with me.

Now this one.

All I did was speculate about battery life. You are the one making it a big deal and saying I start arguments with everyone when that is not true. You just enjoy twisting reality.

That would be be 4 that I have seen. So no I am not arguing for the sake of arguing.

Explained above.

Power optimization does come from skins. I said that I agreed. I said power management from android not skins. Google has changed the way android handles power management over the years. No that is not optimization, but I don't care about that. I am strictly talking about anything that helps battery life.

Then we can agree that you agreed that I was right and then you tried to change the topic.

Screen size I told yes that I agree the screen is the biggest battery drain. Again you choose not see that. I also said the screen is not the only thing that drains battery, but again all you say is the screen is the biggest.

Wrong. The screen is not "all" I talk about.

The screen is typically the biggest power drain. Heck with some usage the LTE radio might even come second before the CPU. The fact is, you shouldn't be banking on great battery life just because it has a more efficient CPU. The CPU takes up a fraction of power compared to the screen in normal usage.

All you are going to say over and over is that the screen is big so it will take up power, and it want be any good. Sure what ever you want to say.

Never said it won't be any good. All I have said is I am skeptical. Multiple people have also chimed in and voiced their skepticism.

You also missed what I suggested as good enough battery, but again that seems to be the theme with you.

I didn't miss it. You just failed to define "good enough." And with no definition as to what that means to you, there is no point talking about it until you define it.

I am not sure there is anything left to say.

Don't worry. You always seem to find something.

You have been really rude which is nothing different from what you have been doing all along.

Shall I pull up quotes of you using personal attacks?

I have pointed out 4 times that you were the cause of the argument,

1. Stated inconsistencies
2. Nexus 4 has issues
3. Google Now has issues
4. 2300 mAh battery + Snapdragon 800 does not automatically mean good battery life

Looks like all that really happened is me stating either facts (1-3) or skepticism with battery life (4) and other people jumped the gun and decided to make it into an argument.

so sire you can hold a conversation with others, but any argument on this theme you are in the middle of it. I am not sure how else to put it.

Yes, I am involved in discussions on battery life because that is an area of interest. So sue me.

 

[Lava Lamp Freak]

Hear ye. Most likely a week after the "announcement" on the 24th.

I still think it'll be the 31st. The original sources who were considered trustworthy said that it would be the 31st, and there haven't been any trustworthy leaks since then. The event on the 24th has nothing to do with Android. Not even a single Android publication got an invitation for that event. Russell Holly, the person from Geek.com who posted the invitation for the 24th, removed it at Google's request and said that it has absolutely nothing to do with Android. That wasn't speculation -- it was what he was told by Google. He said it was a mistake, and he apologized.

https://plus.google.com/106631699076927387965/posts/3KgVSjsrc99

 

[THE JUICEMAN]

Have there been anymore "hints" from kit kat on google+?

 

[onthecouchagain]

Since it was the end of October last year, and we've had no credible sources/leaks telling us otherwise, I'm going to say it'll be end of October this year, too, along with the mid-November "street date" like last year.

The wait continues. Oh well.

 

[Razeus]

Well if that supposed event is true (why only Geek.com had it) and no hardware is release, I guess that's that. It'll come when it comes. I figured Google would hold an event for Nexus 5, Nexus 10, and KitKat 4.4.

Google, please don't make an announcement about a new OS with a big fuss and not release the details.

 

[bmac4]

I stated the inconsistencies. Go back, even he admitted to the back button being inconsistent. Here you are twisting things again.


Yes, I said the Nexus 4 has screw ups. Even more recently on this thread there has been discussion of the Nexus 4 problem with wireless charging and wakelocks. It has problems. I was right. You were wrong.


I stated my opinion on the issues with Google Now. In the alternatives section there is even a whole thread dedicated to this issue where others mention the issues with Google Now. I am clearly not alone.


Since when is me pointing out the issues in a software program something for people to get mad about? Most people involved in that discussion where in agreement: Google Now has problems. One other person just didn't agree with the rest. Then you jumped in just for the sake of arguing with me.


All I did was speculate about battery life. You are the one making it a big deal and saying I start arguments with everyone when that is not true. You just enjoy twisting reality.


Explained above.


Then we can agree that you agreed that I was right and then you tried to change the topic.


Wrong. The screen is not "all" I talk about.



Never said it won't be any good. All I have said is I am skeptical. Multiple people have also chimed in and voiced their skepticism.


I didn't miss it. You just failed to define "good enough." And with no definition as to what that means to you, there is no point talking about it until you define it.


Don't worry. You always seem to find something.


Shall I pull up quotes of you using personal attacks?


1. Stated inconsistencies
2. Nexus 4 has issues
3. Google Now has issues
4. 2300 mAh battery + Snapdragon 800 does not automatically mean good battery life

Looks like all that really happened is me stating either facts (1-3) or skepticism with battery life (4) and other people jumped the gun and decided to make it into an argument.


Yes, I am involved in discussions on battery life because that is an area of interest. So sue me.

No I did say what was good enough yet again you missed that because you were too busy trying to point out different things. So here we go again.

I said the N4 had ok battery life, and I got about 2 to maybe 3 hours screen time. My HTC one I get about 3 to 4 hours screen time which I feel is pretty reasonable in a smartphone right now. Now for the N5. I feel like it will be better than the N4, and maybe closer to the HTC One. If I get 3 1/2 maybe 4 hours screen time that would be fine with me. Not sure what you are looking for, or what you consider good. But I would say you are being completely unrealistic if you think a smartphone right now gets much more than 4 hours screen time. Unless you are talking about something like the Note 2 or 3.

So if you choose to ignore that again. That is all on you. If you would like you can go back a couple of pages and see the same thing, but I don't expect you will cause then that would mean you were wrong.

 

[strausd]

Google has been going quite a while now without being able to sell any smartphones. You'd think they would want to hurry up the update so they can start selling some phones. At least I wouldn't want to have a big period of time where I can't sell any products.

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No I did say what was good enough yet again you missed that because you were too busy trying to point out different things. So here we go again.

I said the N4 had ok battery life, and I got about 2 to maybe 3 hours screen time. My HTC one I get about 3 to 4 hours screen time which I feel is pretty reasonable in a smartphone right now. Now for the N5. I feel like it will be better than the N4, and maybe closer to the HTC One. If I get 3 1/2 maybe 4 hours screen time that would be fine with me. Not sure what you are looking for, or what you consider good. But I would say you are being completely unrealistic if you think a smartphone right now gets much more than 4 hours screen time. Unless you are talking about something like the Note 2 or 3.

So if you choose to ignore that again. That is all on you. If you would like you can go back a couple of pages and see the same thing, but I don't expect you will cause then that would mean you were wrong.

I find it funny you ignored how I proved you wrong in everything in that post. Then all you do now is ignore it and just tell me your definition of "reasonable" and "ok" battery life. And you say I'm the one who ignores stuff?

If you consider 2-3 hours of SOT to be "ok battery life," then that is where the discrepancy lies. Having a smartphone that you can only look at for 2-3 hours before dying is quite pathetic if you ask me. We rely on our phones for so much now. They have gotten so advanced. Yet we get 2-3 hours and say it is "ok battery life"?

I want a phone where I don't have to worry about charging my battery mid day. I don't want to come home with 20% left and it be 4 in the afternoon. That is what happens on the Nexus 4 right now. And with a slight battery capacity bump and major hardware bump, a major battery improvement over the Nexus 4 is not guaranteed, yet you seem to think it is. That is why I am skeptical.

 

[jamojamo]

I have a honest question for Strausd and Bmac4.

Do either of you think you are going to "magically" change the other person's mind?

If not, can you please stop bickering on this thread? Maybe make a new one?

It would be great if this thread could focus on news about the Nexus, and granted you are talking about the Nexus, but both of you are just quoting and rebutting each other on battery life for the last few pages and it is getting stale.

Can we just call you both winners and you move on?

Don't mean to be a forum policeman but I am just asking nicely.

 

[THE JUICEMAN]

Nexus 5

Would you guys mind talking via PM? This is getting to be a bit much. We are having to scroll forever to get past the arguments. Would be much appreciated. If it was a bunch of people in discussion it would be different but it's just you two.

Edit: I see someone beat me too it. I'll just leave this here for emphasis

 

[strausd]

I have a honest question for Strausd and Bmac4.

Do either of you think you are going to "magically" change the other person's mind?

If not, can you please stop bickering on this thread? Maybe make a new one?

It would be great if this thread could focus on news about the Nexus, and granted you are talking about the Nexus, but both of you are just quoting and rebutting each other on battery life for the last few pages and it is getting stale.

Can we just call you both winners and you move on?

Don't mean to be a forum policeman but I am just asking nicely.

I have tried to stop it. Told him multiple times to not respond until he could understand what was being discussed.

Would you guys mind talking via PM? This is getting to be a bit much. We are having to scroll forever to get past the arguments. Would be much appreciated. If it was a bunch of people in discussion it would be different but it's just you two.

Tried that. After ending a long PM exchange, he starts arguing with me on here after I voice my skepticism on battery life and the issues with Google Now.

 

[thecurryman]

So I was thinking about last years "launch" and how it was terribly managed and I got to thinking

What if this year, Google has been stockpiling N5's somewhere (i mean they dont have any more n4's so they must have warehouse space or somewhere available). Then by stockpiling the phones, when the launch happens, it wont be a cluster **** like has time.

Also the leaks for the n5 started happening over a month ago meaning the phone is probably under mass production. Google probably realized that from last years over-expected demand that quite a few people want the n5 so they will build enough stock for it.

What do you guys think?

 

[THE JUICEMAN]

I have tried to stop it. Told him multiple times to not respond until he could understand what was being discussed.



Tried that. After ending a long PM exchange, he starts arguing with me on here after I voice my skepticism on battery life and the issues with Google Now.

Okay be the bigger person and don't respond and or block him. That will clear up our nexus 5 thread easily. Sorry to sound like a damn teacher or parent or something lol

 

[nospleen]

So I was thinking about last years "launch" and how it was terribly managed and I got to thinking

What if this year, Google has been stockpiling N5's somewhere (i mean they dont have any more n4's so they must have warehouse space or somewhere available). Then by stockpiling the phones, when the launch happens, it wont be a cluster **** like has time.

Also the leaks for the n5 started happening over a month ago meaning the phone is probably under mass production. Google probably realized that from last years over-expected demand that quite a few people want the n5 so they will build enough stock for it.

What do you guys think?

I hope that's the case. But I have a feeling the launch will make the obamacare site look like a success.

 

[strausd]

Okay be the bigger person and don't respond and or block him. That will clear up our nexus 5 thread easily. Sorry to sound like a damn teacher or parent or something lol

You're right. Let's get back to some real Nexus 5 news.

With the potential event coming the 28th, is anyone legitimately expecting invites to go out today? Or are we expecting the 31st and invites after Apple's event? Or straight up no invites?

 

[jamezr]

I hope that's the case. But I have a feeling the launch will make the obamacare site look like a success.

that made me LOL

 

[THE JUICEMAN]

You're right. Let's get back to some real Nexus 5 news.

With the potential event coming the 28th, is anyone legitimately expecting invites to go out today? Or are we expecting the 31st and invites after Apple's event? Or straight up no invites?

I'm still expecting invites for sure. 4.4, Nexus 5 and nexus 10 are too much for no event.

 

[strausd]

I'm still expecting invites for sure. 4.4, Nexus 5 and nexus 10 are too much for no event.

Even more so if the rumors of a smartwatch are true.