Nexus 5

onthecouchagain

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I think this is where we need to make a distinction. I don't feel the Nexus 5 is based off the G2 at all...no rear buttons, slightly smaller screen, the cameras and flash are in completely different places on the back of the phone.

This phone seems to be going back to the pre-Nexus 4 way of doing things. A device unto itself, not based off another device in the pipeline. I may be wrong, but isn't the Nexus 4 the only Nexus actually based off another device? I don't think the N1, Nexus S, or Galaxy Nexus had sister phones, correct?

I'm really excited about this Nexus. Hopefully Google doesn't prove me wrong, but I really think this is going to have all the bells and whistles. Big screen, great camera, decent battery. All in a beautiful package that allows you to tinker until your heart's content. You know, since the carriers have all decided to embrace the locked bootloader crap.

I could be very wrong, but I thought the Nexus S was based on the Galaxy S1 (thus the S) and the Galaxy Nexus was based on the Galaxy SII (thus the Galaxy, I guess?), no? Again, not sure.

In any case, I think the Nexus 5 could be considered based on the G2 even if it's dramatically different. The Nexus 4 was based on the G1 and was pretty different, too, though admittedly not as much so as the speculated G2-to-Nexus 5, but that may be because the G2 is particularly unique (back buttons and all).

And I'm with you -- I'm as hopeful as you are about this year's Nexus. The main reason I feel hopeful this time around is because of the Nexus 7 (they even got the launch right). Google really gave it everything it needed and did so with only a moderate price bump. I hope they repeat this for the Nexus 5.
 

strausd

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I think this is where we need to make a distinction. I don't feel the Nexus 5 is based off the G2 at all...no rear buttons, slightly smaller screen, the cameras and flash are in completely different places on the back of the phone.

This phone seems to be going back to the pre-Nexus 4 way of doing things. A device unto itself, not based off another device in the pipeline. I may be wrong, but isn't the Nexus 4 the only Nexus actually based off another device? I don't think the N1, Nexus S, or Galaxy Nexus had sister phones, correct?

I'm really excited about this Nexus. Hopefully Google doesn't prove me wrong, but I really think this is going to have all the bells and whistles. Big screen, great camera, decent battery. All in a beautiful package that allows you to tinker until your heart's content. You know, since the carriers have all decided to embrace the locked bootloader crap.
I guess it depends on what the exact specs end up being and your definition of "based on" is.

If the Nexus 5 is made by LG, includes the same SoC as the G2, same amount of RAM, same screen technology, same camera, same flash, and same NAND technology, would you consider it being based on the G2 even if the screen was slightly smaller and all in a different external design?

The Nexus 4 is a little different. It was basically the exact same as the Optimus G, just in a different enclosure. The Nexus 5 looks to be a phone that is based on the G2 with minor differences. According to current rumors that is.

And I do think the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus were both loosely based on Samsung phones much like the Nexus 5 is looking to be based on the G2.

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And I do think the Nexus 5 will have fairly decent battery life.
 

strausd

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If Googlorola can figure out the battery life for the MX, I hope they can for the Nexus 5.
It's not so much a matter of Motorola figuring out battery life as it is them simply using a low power CPU, low power screen tech, and a lower resolution compared to most flagships.

I'm not so sure Google had a big influence as that as they used the same stuff in their Droid lineup. And it wasn't until the Moto X that Google had major input. And since the Droid lineup and Moto X use similar components, I am thinking Google had more influence on design and OS than they did with internal hardware.

With the rumors of the Nexus 5, it looks like it will for sure have the first one, a lower power CPU. The second one is not for certain yet as they will likely be using an IPS panel but we don't know if they will include GRAM. And the third one we know won't happen.
 

zbarvian

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If Googlorola can figure out the battery life for the MX, I hope they can for the Nexus 5.
I played with a Moto X today, and I must say I was very impressed. The fluidity, responsiveness, and performance were better than almost all Android phones I've tried and that was with a somewhat old dual-core. Hopefully Google can provide the Nexus 5 with some sweet optimizations, too.
 

strausd

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Hopefully Google can provide the Nexus 5 with some sweet optimizations, too.
Google didn't provide Motorola with specific software optimizations. All Motorola did was include a low-energy CPU, low-energy AMOLED screen, and offered a 720p screen as opposed to a 1080p screen.
 

THE JUICEMAN

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Google didn't provide Motorola with specific software optimizations. All Motorola did was include a low-energy CPU, low-energy AMOLED screen, and offered a 720p screen as opposed to a 1080p screen.
Well hopefully Motorola provides google with software optimizations then! Lol Because that moto x is super fast with great battery life.
 

onthecouchagain

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I played with a Moto X today, and I must say I was very impressed. The fluidity, responsiveness, and performance were better than almost all Android phones I've tried and that was with a somewhat old dual-core. Hopefully Google can provide the Nexus 5 with some sweet optimizations, too.

I'm a little over the MX, but it def. sounds like a nice option for those who are looking for a smaller form factor.
 

strausd

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Well hopefully Motorola provides google with software optimizations then! Lol Because that moto x is super fast with great battery life.
Well I'm sure the dual core CPU on a newer architecture helps out. But looking at anandtech reviews with Moto X battery benchmarks, the battery life isn't that great. More what I would consider average, Nexus 4 bad, LG G2 good, and new DROID Maxx great.
 

AutoUnion39

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Well I'm sure the dual core CPU on a newer architecture helps out. But looking at anandtech reviews with Moto X battery benchmarks, the battery life isn't that great. More what I would consider average, Nexus 4 bad, LG G2 good, and new DROID Maxx great.
Benchmarks mean jack **** in the real world.

Those same benchmarks claimed the HTC One X and One have good battery life, but they don't. Doesn't last a day of heavy use, like the Moto X or GS4 can.
 

onthecouchagain

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My One easily lasts a full day on moderate-to-heavy use. In fact, it's the first smartphone I've owned where I genuinely don't worry about the battery anymore; I've stopped keeping an eye on it.
 

onthecouchagain

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What's your screen on time?

I'm around 5.5 hours. The One is usually dead by 4-4.5.
How do i check? It doesn't show screen on time anywhere. I'm not comparing as I don't own a GS4 or an MX. Just saying, my One lasts me the entire day.

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I found out how to check it.

So far, screen on time is at 37+ minutes and I'm at 90% battery. Been off charge for 4 hours 10 mins.
 

tbayrgs

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How do i check? It doesn't show screen on time anywhere. I'm not comparing as I don't own a GS4 or an MX. Just saying, my One lasts me the entire day.
Yeah, unfortunately HTC modified the stock power setting tool and it doesn't include on screen time. However, I also have no difficulty getting a full day of use out of mine and that's my only real requirement. Would I like more? Sure, but the number of times per year where I'm not near a charger and have been using it more than usual I can count on one hand. Otherwise it comes off the charger in the morning and goes back on at night--cover the time in between and I'm good to go.
 

onthecouchagain

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Yeah, unfortunately HTC modified the stock power setting tool and it doesn't include on screen time. However, I also have no difficulty getting a full day of use out of mine and that's my only real requirement. Would I like more? Sure, but the number of times per year where I'm not near a charger and have been using it more than usual I can count on one hand. Otherwise it comes off the charger in the morning and goes back on at night--cover the time in between and I'm good to go.
You have to install GSAM Battery monitor app to check screen on time, but as you said, it's not even necessary unless you're just curious.

So far, my screen on time today is at 37+ minutes and I'm at 90% battery. Been off charge for 4 hours 10 mins.
 

strausd

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Benchmarks mean jack **** in the real world.

Those same benchmarks claimed the HTC One X and One have good battery life, but they don't. Doesn't last a day of heavy use, like the Moto X or GS4 can.
That's an exaggeration.

Battery benchmarks do quite a good job at telling you what you can expect from a phone. Go look at Nexus 4 battery benchmarks and then ask people who have a Nexus 4 how the battery is. It follows what anandtech says quite well.

Battery benchmarks also show the Moto X and GS4 having decent battery life and that is true.

Not sure why you are so upset. But when people do battery benchmarks that show average 3G Web browsing time, wifi Web browsing time, talk time, and idle time all separately, you can get a good idea as to how good battery life will be.
 

Savor

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That's an exaggeration.

Battery benchmarks do quite a good job at telling you what you can expect from a phone. Go look at Nexus 4 battery benchmarks and then ask people who have a Nexus 4 how the battery is. It follows what anandtech says quite well.

Battery benchmarks also show the Moto X and GS4 having decent battery life and that is true.

Not sure why you are so upset. But when people do battery benchmarks that show average 3G Web browsing time, wifi Web browsing time, talk time, and idle time all separately, you can get a good idea as to how good battery life will be.
A pretty good job but NOT the most accurate either. Remember this testing is based on a fairly clean slate. We dont know exactly what is running in the background when they do these tests or what they have disabled.

Anandtech and GSMARena claimed over 10+ Wi-Fi browsing with the One and all I get is about 5 hr screen time browsing. This is with many bloatware apps disabled. Even with a static wallpaper, I still get 18-20% drainage per hour on Wi-Fi. And I dont use FB app either. Texting mostly or lower res videos is abt 6-7 hrs screen time. Play 1080p, and it drains faster. I never trust it because it varies with the actual user's usage.
 

Switchback666

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A pretty good job but NOT the most accurate either. Remember this testing is based on a fairly clean slate. We dont know exactly what is running in the background when they do these tests or what they have disabled.

Anandtech and GSMARena claimed over 10+ Wi-Fi browsing with the One and all I get is about 5 hr screen time browsing. This is with many bloatware apps disabled. Even with a static wallpaper, I still get 18-20% drainage per hour on Wi-Fi. And I dont use FB app either. Texting mostly or lower res videos is abt 6-7 hrs screen time. Play 1080p, and it drains faster. I never trust it because it varies with the actual user's usage.
Dont even get me started on my iphone 4s and anandtech review :eek: never got those results, not even close.

I dont trust reviews, rather see/read about the phones on forums like this one and get a real usage experience, besides with Couch here whe dont need to look elsewere!
 

adder7712

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LG D820 isn't the Nexus 5. It's just the CDMA variant of the G2.
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_d820_is_cdma_g2_model_not_the_nexus_5-news-6749.php
 

tbayrgs

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LG D820 isn't the Nexus 5. It's just the CDMA variant of the G2.
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_d820_is_cdma_g2_model_not_the_nexus_5-news-6749.php
You mean to tell us that a device with completely different dimensions, a different size display, a different size battery is actually just the CDMA version of the G2? A different radio, sure. Different CPU, OK. Completely different is all other regards? I don't think so. I call BS on this tweet from evleaks. I'm actually a bit stunned that gsmarena believes this and passed it along.
 

adder7712

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You mean to tell us that a device with completely different dimensions, a different size display, a different size battery is actually just the CDMA version of the G2? A different radio, sure. Different CPU, OK. Completely different is all other regards? I don't think so. I call BS on this tweet from evleaks. I'm actually a bit stunned that gsmarena believes this and passed it along.
I thought evleaks is somewhat...reputable. I might be wrong however.
 

tbayrgs

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I thought evleaks is somewhat...reputable. I might be wrong however.
Evleaks has been correct in the past. I just find it hard to believe that LG's CDMA version of the G2 would be entirely different. Why reinvent the wheel, so to speak, for a device that will only be released to one or two carriers in the US? I'll believe it only when I see it.
 

mattopotamus

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Evleaks has been correct in the past. I just find it hard to believe that LG's CDMA version of the G2 would be entirely different. Why reinvent the wheel, so to speak, for a device that will only be released to one or two carriers in the US? I'll believe it only when I see it.
I agree. Why introduce a phone with certain features and then release a totally different one for just one carrier