Nexus 5

[strausd]

Now you are clearly just trying to get in an argument. And when you say stuff like this, it sure doesn't help you.

which seems to be the tune Straus is constantly singing.

Not to mention that isn't the "tune" that I am "constantly singing". So you might want to make sure you understand the discussion before going down that route.

So basically, what I'm getting is that you don't know the reason the Nexus 4 battery is poor.

It is either stock Android or bad drivers. Another device exists with the same exact hardware, different OS, and likely different drivers and gets better battery life.

And not only are you not sure, your basis that the Nexus 5 battery will be poor due to it being stock Android is unfounded.

No. Read above.

The Nexus 5 battery life may very well end up poor. I don't want the same mistakes repeated by Google either. But you're the only one that seems confident it will be and it will be because of stock Android, which you've implied multiple times.

Come on, you are more intelligent than this. Don't pull a bmac. No where did I say definitively one way or the other. It has all been speculation based on Google and other manufacturers history. Don't put words in my mouth.

It doesn't explain the GPE editions. And if all it takes is to tweak the drivers to get better battery life, it's perplexing why Google wouldn't ask LG to tweak the drivers for the Nexus device.

We don't know the exact reason. But we can get a good idea. It is pinned to either stock Android or Google providing bad drivers. In the case of GPE phones, it runs stock Android yet has enough time for manufacturers to put on their own optimized drivers. And they get similar battery life to their skinned version. So the more I think about, the more it looks like Google's bad drivers are at fault of the Nexus 4 having bad battery life. The reason GPE devices get decent battery life could very well be because the manufacturer put better drivers on before pushing it out. Who knows what battery life would have been like if GPE updates were instant and didn't go through manufacturers.

I agree that there is cause for concern with the nexus 5 beyond the smaller battery. I think I just disagree with the semantics on why. I don't know what to blame, but it's hard for me to blame stock android itself as the majority factor.

As explained above, I think the options are limited as to what the culprit could be.

I still want to believe there are other factors at play in the OG vs N4 case, software aside.

That might help explain things, but the evidence sure doesn't point that way.

I wouldnt be surprised if there actually is some good battery management code in the skin, but 2+ hours screen time worth, no way!

Well considering there is 2+ hours worth of difference, it very well could be the skin. But I think evidence points to drivers more than anything.

 

[gotluck]

Well considering there is 2+ hours worth of difference, it very well could be the skin. But I think evidence points to drivers more than anything.

I hear you, but I still don't agree that they have the same exact hardware, or production process, or some other external factor.

Never knew the OG officially had LTE (with amplifier I would assume), but there are some differences. GPS.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Optimus-G,Google-Nexus-4/phones/7458,7531

 

[onthecouchagain]

We don't know the exact reason. But we can get a good idea. It is pinned to either stock Android or Google providing bad drivers. In the case of GPE phones, it runs stock Android yet has enough time for manufacturers to put on their own optimized drivers. And they get similar battery life to their skinned version. So the more I think about, the more it looks like Google's bad drivers are at fault of the Nexus 4 having bad battery life. The reason GPE devices get decent battery life could very well be because the manufacturer put better drivers on before pushing it out. Who knows what battery life would have been like if GPE updates were instant and didn't go through manufacturers.

All I'm asking for is where the evidence is that proves it's stock Android and/or bad drivers. You seem so sure in your previous posts -- now, not as much when pressed for proof. In matters of battery discussion, you seem to like pointing out that despite the Nexus 4 and Optimus G having the same specs, one's running a skin and the other stock Android.

If there is proof that it's these two things, it'd be very well worth sharing and discussing as then I can see why you'd carry that concern over to the Nexus 5.

Maybe it's the back button causing the battery woes.

 

[bmac4]

All I'm asking for is where the evidence is that proves it's stock Android and/or bad drivers. You seem so sure in your previous posts -- now, not as much when pressed for proof. In matters of battery discussion, you seem to like pointing out that despite the Nexus 4 and Optimus G having the same specs, one's running a skin and the other stock Android.

If there is proof that it's these two things, it'd be very well worth sharing and discussing as then I can see why you'd carry that concern over to the Nexus 5.

Maybe it's the back button causing the battery woes.

Couch this is a battle that is never ending. I gave up because he never truly gives you evidence for his position. In this case with the battery all he can say is the N4 and Optimus G have the same hardware, and the G gets better battery life. That means stock android has to be the cause in his mind.

I have given up ever holding a discussion with him on this site again. It may start out fine, but at some point when you don't see things the same way then things get ugly.

I am with you that the N5 may very well have poor battery life, but saying it has something to do with stock android is not a given. Yes the N4 had poor battery life, but the Gnex, Nexus S, and Nexus One all had battery life very close if not the same as there skinned brothers (from other mothers). If we go based on history stock android is just as good. N4 was just a different story.

 

[onthecouchagain]

If Evleaks is saying November 1st, then something's happening November 1st.

 

[WhackyNinja]

Assuming the Nexus 5 is a dud for you, what phone will you all go with then?

In other words, what is your backup phone? G2? S4?

Moto X thats my second option

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If Evleaks is saying November 1st, then something's happening November 1st.

I 100% trust Evleaks...I never have recalled them being wrong before so I won't doubt the November 1st date. And the fact that its coming to Sprint C:

 

[onthecouchagain]

Assuming the Nexus 5 is a dud for you, what phone will you all go with then?

In other words, what is your backup phone? G2? S4?

Fun thing to discuss while we wait for news.

I'll probably just keep my HTC one until flagships start coming out in 2014. I highly doubt I'll ever be won over by touch wiz but I'd wait for the Google play edition of the s5.

It'll also be interesting to see what HTC comes up with following the HTC one.

Then there's Sony. And the moto x2. And I think the iPhone 6 will be REALLY interesting.

And finally, who might nexus 5 2014's manufacturer be? Moto? Sony?

 

[Vegastouch]

Fun thing to discuss while we wait for news.

I'll probably just keep my HTC one until flagships start coming out in 2014. I highly doubt I'll ever be won over by touch wiz but I'd wait for the Google play edition of the s5.

It'll also be interesting to see what HTC comes up with following the HTC one.

Then there's Sony. And the moto x2. And I think the iPhone 6 will be REALLY interesting.

And finally, who might nexus 5 2014's manufacturer be? Moto? Sony?

Geez, this is so far down the road. I dont buy multiple phones. Just not my thing. I do homework and go from here.

So for me-

I have a GS3 and ive mentioned couple times already that its going to be the G2 or N5 for me.

The above you mention-
Not interested in a iPhone. 3 years running with nothing that interesting and now ive lost all interest and Android is just so good.

Not a Sony fan so no interest there...but never say never,... wasnt much of a LG fan either but they have come to compete.

The Moto X is very interesting to me but im not going to pay $600 to get one( $200 more than a 32GB N5) and ill assume that ill still be the case w/ the M2...which is a bummer for T-Mobile users. I just dont pay that for phones upfront but ill do $400 for the N5.

Not a HTC fan either but they are worth keeping an eye out but they havent come close to reeling me in again. Dont care for aluminum backs and their batteries suck( in my experience)

S5 i think will be interesting im sure Not interested in paying $629 for a Google addition. For now im looking forward to getting my new G2 or N5...preferably the N5 if the battery is good.

 

[macred]

If Evleaks is saying November 1st, then something's happening November 1st.

Yes there is, it's the date I order my Nexus 5

 

[WhackyNinja]

And I think the iPhone 6 will be REALLY interesting.

And finally, who might nexus 5 2014's manufacturer be? Moto? Sony?

I agree with you on the iPhone 6 statement. Even though by the time of the iPhone 6's release I will be on Android and on break from iOS in total, it will be interesting to see what Apple has in store for the iPhone 6. Obviously a 5-inch screen is going to happen and maybe a new design, with iOS 8. Assuming iOS 8 will be an improvement from iOS 7 UI-wise but thats a whole other discussion.

And for who the Nexus 5 (2014)'s manufacturer will be...I think it will be Motorola. Given that Motorola is now a Google company, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Nexus will be made by Motorola come next year, but its going to be a wait and see situation.

 

[atticus27]

I'm pretty excited about the "rumored" pure google launcher. Having that on a s4 would be awesome (as ugly as touch wiz is I like most of the features on it enough to just hide its UI under a different launcher. I've tried different Roms, but always go back to touch wiz).
The big draw for the nexus 5 to me is immeadiate OS updates. My s3 is still on 4.1 through at&t

 

[strausd]

I hear you, but I still don't agree that they have the same exact hardware, or production process, or some other external factor.

Never knew the OG officially had LTE (with amplifier I would assume), but there are some differences. GPS.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Optimus-G,Google-Nexus-4/phones/7458,7531

That actually doesn't help as the GPS in the OG would use up more power, not less. That only makes it look worse for Google in terms of stock android/drivers.

All I'm asking for is where the evidence is that proves it's stock Android and/or bad drivers. You seem so sure in your previous posts -- now, not as much when pressed for proof. In matters of battery discussion, you seem to like pointing out that despite the Nexus 4 and Optimus G having the same specs, one's running a skin and the other stock Android.

If there is proof that it's these two things, it'd be very well worth sharing and discussing as then I can see why you'd carry that concern over to the Nexus 5.

Maybe it's the back button causing the battery woes.

What do you mean I'm not sure when "pressed for proof"? I have been consistent this whole time. I have only been voicing my speculation. If you want to force your view of me speaking definitively, go right ahead. But that is not what happened. Also, don't talk like I am being all confident and then run away when pressed for proof. I have laid out the logic of it plainly for you. And if I remember correctly, this isn't the first time you disregard logic as reasoning for an argument.

Whether or not you understand the simplest of logic behind this argument is on you. You can skim over my posts and read what you want. But I have been very clear about my evidence supporting my speculation.

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Couch this is a battle that is never ending. I gave up

You give up yet you indirectly join the conversation? Typical.

because he never truly gives you evidence for his position.

So you don't like to consider logic either?

In this case with the battery all he can say is the N4 and Optimus G have the same hardware, and the G gets better battery life. That means stock android has to be the cause in his mind.

Wrong again. You have to look a little wider to see what is going on. Look at GPE phones and see how they stack up to their skinned cousins. Compare the OG and N4. Then see what the differences are. GPE phones spend time with the manufacturer before being pushed out. Nexus devices don't. Simple logic tells us something goes on at that point where Nexus devices don't have that extra step. Hopefully that is simple enough for you.

I have given up ever holding a discussion with him on this site again. It may start out fine, but at some point when you don't see things the same way then things get ugly.

So you try and bash me in a discussion with someone else? How proper of you.

 

[F123D]

At this point, I'm going to wait for reviews and decide if I'm even going to order. I'll just suffer with my Note 3 for now..

The first half of next year, I'll be interested to see the S5 and HTC Two(?)

Second half of the year, it'll be Note 4, next Nexus, LG G3(?) and iPhone 6.

 

[Technarchy]

As a precursor, can someone tell me if there are headphones with volume control for the Nexus 4.

If so I assume it will be the same for the Nexus 5.

 

[JH-]

As a precursor, can someone tell me if there are headphones with volume control for the Nexus 4.

If so I assume it will be the same for the Nexus 5.

Yes. Klipsch S4a

 

[MRU]

Yes. Klipsch S4a

They don't work well with 4.2 and up. I have a pair and they have been painful to use with both my Nexus 7, HTC 1, S4 and Note 3.

The S4a has one button only unlike the iPhone variant. You are supposed to press twice for forward, three times for rewind, four times for automatic volume.
Reality is even with the klipsch app installed it will rarely recognise anything other than one press.

 

[lighthouse_man]

Unboxed by someone somewhere.

 

[Faux Carnival]

Unboxed by someone somewhere.

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Holy ****!

 

[lighthouse_man]

Holy ****!

It was taken by Nickyyy. She's planning on more pictures later on.

 

[jdlindsey7]

Unboxed by someone somewhere.

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Hopefully this means we are close enough to get an announcement today or tomorrow.

 

[bmac4]

That actually doesn't help as the GPS in the OG would use up more power, not less. That only makes it look worse for Google in terms of stock android/drivers.



What do you mean I'm not sure when "pressed for proof"? I have been consistent this whole time. I have only been voicing my speculation. If you want to force your view of me speaking definitively, go right ahead. But that is not what happened. Also, don't talk like I am being all confident and then run away when pressed for proof. I have laid out the logic of it plainly for you. And if I remember correctly, this isn't the first time you disregard logic as reasoning for an argument.

Whether or not you understand the simplest of logic behind this argument is on you. You can skim over my posts and read what you want. But I have been very clear about my evidence supporting my speculation.

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You give up yet you indirectly join the conversation? Typical.


So you don't like to consider logic either?


Wrong again. You have to look a little wider to see what is going on. Look at GPE phones and see how they stack up to their skinned cousins. Compare the OG and N4. Then see what the differences are. GPE phones spend time with the manufacturer before being pushed out. Nexus devices don't. Simple logic tells us something goes on at that point where Nexus devices don't have that extra step. Hopefully that is simple enough for you.


So you try and bash me in a discussion with someone else? How proper of you.

I don't recall saying I would not discuss something with someone on this site again bashing someone. In my experience with you no matter how smooth the discussion is going. If at any point you disagree. It starts a long back and forth of you trying to prove me, or anyone else how they are wrong. Implying they are stupid without using any term like that. If you want to call me being responsible, and understanding that arguing with you accomplishes nothing bashing you. Then go right ahead.

All I will say about the battery is that GPE prove nothing. Just because they take a week longer to see the new update means nothing. Some of the N4 take longer to update then others. Does not mean anything special was done to them. The reason the GPE take longer is because Google gets the update pushed to Nexus user first. Then it goes to GPE. I highly doubt Samsung and HTC in a week have time to optimize a battery for the new update.

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Unboxed by someone somewhere.

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Well I hope we will be the one taking these pictures soon.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I agree with you on the iPhone 6 statement. Even though by the time of the iPhone 6's release I will be on Android and on break from iOS in total, it will be interesting to see what Apple has in store for the iPhone 6. Obviously a 5-inch screen is going to happen and maybe a new design, with iOS 8. Assuming iOS 8 will be an improvement from iOS 7 UI-wise but thats a whole other discussion.

And for who the Nexus 5 (2014)'s manufacturer will be...I think it will be Motorola. Given that Motorola is now a Google company, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Nexus will be made by Motorola come next year, but its going to be a wait and see situation.

I wouldn't mind if it was Moto.

Imagine it's Xiaomi that gets chosen, where former Googler Hugo Berra went? Wouldn't that be interesting? They make pretty nice devices.

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Unboxed by someone somewhere.

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She's a beauty. I see the photo was taken by an HTC One (in that it's blurry and it sucks).

 

[nfl46]

Hmm, announcement is coming "soon".

If I were you, I would get those accounts set up and ready for Google Play. This weekend will be fun.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I have laid out the logic of it plainly for you. And if I remember correctly, this isn't the first time you disregard logic as reasoning for an argument.

Whether or not you understand the simplest of logic behind this argument is on you. You can skim over my posts and read what you want. But I have been very clear about my evidence supporting my speculation.

I'm assuming this is referring to your highway analogy? If so, no one said it wasn't logical, only that it was irrelevant.

And speaking about logic, the moment I pointed out that your "solution" to the Back button would put us in an infinite loop between two screens should have been the logical moment when you gave up your argument. You sort of did by saying "well, then there's no real way to make the Back button work right." But there is. And it's Google's way. The issue comes when developers don't follow the guidelines of the Back button. This is partly to blame on Google, too, but it doesn't mean the Back button in itself is "broken." You keep talking about logic -- why are you having so much trouble understanding it here?

As I've said, even while the Back button is once in a rare while inconsistent, it's still leagues better than what you want the Back button to do.

Also...

Since our conversation about the Back button, I've been paying close attention to what the Back button does. It makes perfect sense. There are many examples where apps have to launch another app, wherein if you press the back button, it goes back to the previous app. For example? Say you're browsing Flipboard and you want to "View on Web." When you click that, what does it launch? Chrome (or whatever default browser you use). Why? Because Flipboard is not a web browser. It has to, in essence, "borrow" another app to accomplish the task. And so, when you hit the Back button after it launches Chrome, it goes back to Flipboard. This makes perfect sense because the OS still assumes you are using Flipboard. It must still assume you're using Flipboard because all you asked was to view an article on the web via Flipboard. There are many many examples of apps doing this, "borrowing" another app to accomplish a task because the original app can't.

However, if you actually chose the App Switcher (like in your original example) and switch from Flipboard to Chrome, and hit the Back button then, it takes you back within Chrome. The OS now assumes, per your command of using the App Switcher, that you're essentially done with Flipboard and want to use Chrome actively.

I've used Google's own description to explain this, others have pointed to Google's own developer guidelines for the Back button to demonstrate this, and I've used countless examples (including your own) to demonstrate why the Back button, at its core, works and works brilliantly and logically. But you don't get it. Not only do you not get it, but you want the Back button to do something inherently illogical, which undermines the App Switcher button, and essentially destroys the point of the back button. So, are you sure I'm the one having trouble grasping logic here? Might want to reflect on that, Captain-of-Logic.

 

[jdlindsey7]

Hmm, announcement is coming "soon".

If I were you, I would get those accounts set up and ready for Google Play. This weekend will be fun.

At one point there were rumors of Best Buy potentially carrying the Nexus 5. Does anyone know if that's still being talked about as a possibility?