Nexus Prime Specs are out!

[JazzyGB1]

You are too intense. Relax. You are no even paying attention to what other post. I did say 5 million computers in a quarter. And yeas Apple's share is about 5% worldwide which the article that you referenced perfectly illustrates. Sure, it's higher in Iceland (15%) but Iceland population is whopping 300K yet their share in China is 1.5% (population 1.5 billion).

until Android improves it'll always play second fiddle to IOS

Who exactly is a second fiddle? Android phones sell at the 2 to 1 ration to iPhones. And yes, just like Android phones, iPhones may be had for free here in U.S..



Think. Here is what you said:

However one of the most over looked [Android] failings is the lack of in integration for MAC computers.


This is why this comparison of sale volumes makes sense. Once again. Neither Google nor most other companies really care about Apple computers as long as Apple's share stays as low as it is. It is just not worth their investment. That is why you get new versions of Chrome browser way later than PC users.

You conveniently forgot to mention USA, Canada and Australia - all of whose Mac market share is over 14%. Even averaged out with Asia it still comes to nearly 7% - 40% more than the figure you originally claimed.

However Mac market share is irrelevant.

Poor Mac support in Google's Android OS, has absolutely nothing to do with how many handsets Samsung sell - that you should try to link the two is quite bizarre.

And to then blame the poor support in Android on Mac unit sales, just acknowledges that it is true - glad we can agree on something!

Android OS is still a way behind IOS for all the reasons I've previously mentioned.

Android may have recently exceeded Apple's IOS as the most used OS, but I'd contest your figures.
Do you have a link?
That Android is double IOS as you claim seems grossly exaggerated. The last report I read (here http://www.christianpost.com/news/iphone-5-release-date-googles-android-beats-apples-ios-as-most-popular-platform-56686/) had Android only 15% up and the iPhone 4s hadn't been released yet.
IOS and the iPhone handsets it runs on are the most expensive on the market, so it shows how far ahead the user experience must be for them to be as popular as they are.
IOS is still considerably ahead of Android OS in almost every respect - especially in the quality of it's third party apps, which contributes massively to the experience of using the handset and one of the reasons the iPhone is still the crown being chased by the pack.
The problem has never been the hardware - in fact its the recent excellent hardware (Galaxy S2, Sony Arc, HTC desire etc) that has driven up Androids market share - not the OS.
The reason the Nexus Prime will be another 'nearly' handset is because that's what all the best Android handsets can ever be.

It still runs Android which (unless improved), will always be a little disjointed and antiquated and ultimately dissatisfying for most end users - especially for those who (as millions do) use a Mac!

And although unimportant for the plethora of low end, cheap Android handsets, when it comes to comparing the best handsets on the Market, Android is at present the weak point for the manufacturers to over come (hence why there are so many 'skins').

If it was specs alone that made a hansdet good to use, Apple's iPhone would have been toppled long ago!

 

[pastelsoda]

How can you take seriously a company that names their OS, Ice Cream Sandwich?

Every time I read an article referring to ice cream sandwiches it seems so childish and immature, perfect descriptions for Android users I guess.

and how do you take seriously to the company thats named apple, i mean its a fruit for god sakes

 

[miggitymac]

You conveniently forgot to mention USA, Canada and Australia - all of whose Mac market share is over 14%. Even averaged out with Asia it still comes to nearly 7% - 40% more than the figure you originally claimed.

A 7-40% jump in marketshare? Seems like an accurate and well-educated estimate to me.

However Mac market share is irrelevant.

[...]

It still runs Android which (unless improved), will always be a little disjointed and antiquated and ultimately dissatisfying for most end users - especially for those who (as millions do) use a Mac!

If Mac marketshare is irrelevant, then why does it matter that Android will be dissatisfying for the millions of Mac users? And when did millions of user ever become irrelevant in any marketshare analysis?

Android may have recently exceeded Apple's IOS as the most used OS, but I'd contest your figures.
Do you have a link?

Actually iOS was never the most used OS. Before Android, it was Nokia's Symbian. Link. The link you referenced had a confusing title, but it never actually goes out and says that Apple used to be #1. It just said that Android beat Apple.

That Android is double IOS as you claim seems grossly exaggerated. The last report I read (here http://www.christianpost.com/news/iphone-5-release-date-googles-android-beats-apples-ios-as-most-popular-platform-56686/) had Android only 15% up and the iPhone 4s hadn't been released yet.

That maybe true, but as you can see from my link, as of Q4 in 2010, Android had more than double the marketshare of Apple....it seems Apple is catching up though.

IOS and the iPhone handsets it runs on are the most expensive on the market, so it shows how far ahead the user experience must be for them to be as popular as they are.

They're right up there, but the Galaxy S2 was starting at $699.99 (unlocked) in the US when it was first released. The 4S is $649.00 (unlocked). But since most people buy with a contract term, their prices were probably the same if not very similar.

IOS is still considerably ahead of Android OS in almost every respect - especially in the quality of it's third party apps, which contributes massively to the experience of using the handset and one of the reasons the iPhone is still the crown being chased by the pack.

As I said above, they're the ones chasing Android. If you mean that the iPhone is on top in terms of quality, that's a matter of opinion. And with ICS looking good, Apple needs to step up their game, regardless of whether they have the crown or not.

The problem has never been the hardware - in fact its the recent excellent hardware (Galaxy S2, Sony Arc, HTC desire etc) that has driven up Androids market share - not the OS.

Even if this is true, Android has been improved, and it looks like Google's addressing the fragmenting of their systems by trying to merge everything together eventually. ICS was their first step.

The reason the Nexus Prime will be another 'nearly' handset is because that's what all the best Android handsets can ever be.

It still runs Android which (unless improved), will always be a little disjointed and antiquated and ultimately dissatisfying for most end users - especially for those who (as millions do) use a Mac!

Time will tell. Pointless speculation won't.

And although unimportant for the plethora of low end, cheap Android handsets, when it comes to comparing the best handsets on the Market, Android is at present the weak point for the manufacturers to over come (hence why there are so many 'skins').

If it was specs alone that made a hansdet good to use, Apple's iPhone would have been toppled long ago!

Again, I don't know how you can topple someone that's never been on top. You mean, someone would have toppled them from 2nd or 3rd place long ago?

 

[Picka]

@JazzyGB1

Both iOS5 and Android ICS have strengths and weaknesses, but to say iOS5 is better at this point is way off the mark.

The main strength advantage of iOS5 over Android is, as you said, it's tight integration of the Apple ecosystem and ease of use, and that's fine if you have a lot of Apple products and like to do things their way.

But on pretty much everything else, Android has surpassed it. First off on usability, not everyone needs Apple to hold their hands to do things. GB and ICS are by no means far behind iOS5 in the usability department, they can be as easy or as hard as the user wants it to be. Unlike Apple products, the user has a choice of how they want to use their product. If you have a Gmail account, then Android integration is much tighter than iOS5, so it really depends which ecosystem you want to use.

There is no excuse for the lack of inclusions of basic things from iOS5 such as a file system, Flash (shock, most of the internet still uses it!!!), widgets, sending files through BT, USB mass storage when plugging into comp, over the air updates, no tab browsing etc etc, and this is just off the top of my head. I haven't checked recently, but can you now attach files to emails without the cumbersome cut & paste method? It boggles the mind that such basic things are still missing from an OS in 2011. Being forced to use iTunes is a big nono for a lot more people than Apple realise aswell.

iOS5 200 new features were basically things that Android has been able to do for 1 year now, and ICS puts Android even further ahead. Simple things like face recognition to unlock your phone, a new payment system such with NFC, cools ways of sharing links/apps/webpages/photos etc by simply putting 2 phones together, much better voice recognition (better as in more accurate than iOS), turn by turn directions, better camera software... the list goes on and on.

More importantly than all of the above, Android gives you freedom to use the phone as you like, not how Apple wants you to.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

and how do you take seriously to the company thats named apple, i mean its a fruit for god sakes

Apple is a simple effective name .... same with it's logo.

It's not some crazy name like "Apple Conentrated Juice" or "Apple Fermenting Cider" or "Apple Jacks Snackbar".

 

[hot spare]

People say that iOS apps are great (which is true), and Android apps are all horrible. I donot agree to this part. Maybe there are some apps which are not properly compatible with certain previous version of the Android. But that does not mean it's same for all apps. There are so many wonderful applications on Android too. Android market has also started to get more games. Google is updating the market to make it more "easier" to navigate. With release of ICS, things would get even better. No fragmentation in terms of tablets/phones and native hardware acceleration.

Some of the nice apps which I have seen lately:

Canon DSLR Controller by Chainfire, one of the best-known names in Android world (http://dslrcontroller.com). Still in Beta, but definitely shaping up nicely. Works only on devices with USB host support.

Adobe touch apps for Android: http://www.adobe.com/products/touchapps.html

Now ICS also supports USB game controllers:

https://twitter.com/#!/romainguy/status/127449572845957120

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/ice-cream-sandwich-supports-usb-game-controllers-and-hdmi-turns/

 

[JazzyGB1]

A 7-40% jump in marketshare? Seems like an accurate and well-educated estimate to me.

Again, you misread my answer (sigh).
Okay I'll make it simpler....
You said Apple had a 5% Market share, I was pointing out that it was as high as 15% in some countries and taking the average from the figures from all the countries it comes to nearly 7%.
7% is 40% more than 5%.

If Mac marketshare is irrelevant, then why does it matter that Android will be dissatisfying for the millions of Mac users? And when did millions of user ever become irrelevant in any marketshare analysis?

Mac market share is irrelevant because we are talking about phones...not Macs. It was only because you bizarrely decided to compare the sale of Samsung phones to Macs that it is even in the discussion.

They're right up there, but the Galaxy S2 was starting at $699.99 (unlocked) in the US when it was first released. The 4S is $649.00 (unlocked). But since most people buy with a contract term, their prices were probably the same if not very similar.

In the UK the iPhone 4s starts from £499 for the 16GB model, rising to £699 for the 64GB model. The Galaxy S2 can be purchased brand new and sim free for £395, that's £304 less than the most expensive iPhone. In the UK you cannot find a more expensive handset that the iPhone 4s.
I use Galaxy S2 (a very good phone) as the Android example, as at the time of writing I cannot find a more expensive Android handset currently on sale in the UK.

Even if this is true, Android has been improved, and it looks like Google's addressing the fragmenting of their systems by trying to merge everything together eventually. ICS was their first step.

Well great. When they do merge and address the fragmentation it'll be a different story, but they haven't yet and until that time arrives Android and 3rd party development on it, will remain behind IOS.


Time will tell. Pointless speculation won't.

Time has already told. The iPhone has been the Market leading smart phone since its introduction in 2007.

Again, I don't know how you can topple someone that's never been on top. You mean, someone would have toppled them from 2nd or 3rd place long ago?

lol - as stated in my previous answer, the iPhone has consistently been the best selling smart phone since it's introduction, despite some of the Android handsets having a higher spec.
If that's not confirmation of which is the leading OS, I don't know what is!

 

[Tarzanman]

If you want to believe that IOS is the leading OS, then you are entitled to your...skewed perception.

However, according to companies whose job it is to count these things, Android surpassed iOS on smartphones a while ago.

iOS is still more widespread on tablets, of course... but I suspect that will change with time.

Regarding features, that's a no brainer. Android has more of them. iOS is in the wierd position of playing catch up. Notifications, iCloud, voice recognition are all examples of Apple emulating google's offeriings.

 

[JazzyGB1]

@JazzyGB1

Both iOS5 and Android ICS have strengths and weaknesses, but to say iOS5 is better at this point is way off the mark.

The main strength advantage of iOS5 over Android is, as you said, it's tight integration of the Apple ecosystem and ease of use, and that's fine if you have a lot of Apple products and like to do things their way.

But on pretty much everything else, Android has surpassed it. First off on usability, not everyone needs Apple to hold their hands to do things. GB and ICS are by no means far behind iOS5 in the usability department, they can be as easy or as hard as the user wants it to be. Unlike Apple products, the user has a choice of how they want to use their product. If you have a Gmail account, then Android integration is much tighter than iOS5, so it really depends which ecosystem you want to use.

There is no excuse for the lack of inclusions of basic things from iOS5 such as a file system, Flash (shock, most of the internet still uses it!!!), widgets, sending files through BT, USB mass storage when plugging into comp, over the air updates, no tab browsing etc etc, and this is just off the top of my head. I haven't checked recently, but can you now attach files to emails without the cumbersome cut & paste method? It boggles the mind that such basic things are still missing from an OS in 2011. Being forced to use iTunes is a big nono for a lot more people than Apple realise aswell.

iOS5 200 new features were basically things that Android has been able to do for 1 year now, and ICS puts Android even further ahead. Simple things like face recognition to unlock your phone, a new payment system such with NFC, cools ways of sharing links/apps/webpages/photos etc by simply putting 2 phones together, much better voice recognition (better as in more accurate than iOS), turn by turn directions, better camera software... the list goes on and on.

More importantly than all of the above, Android gives you freedom to use the phone as you like, not how Apple wants you to.

It's funny isn't it how people try and spin a positive into a negative.
'Not everyone needs Apple to hold their hands to do things' is just another way of admitting Apple's IOS is much easier to use - which it is.

IOS is consistent across all devices. An iPhone works and integrates exactly the same way on a Windows PC as it does on a Mac - something that certainly cannot be said about an Android phone.

Add to this Android's inconsistency in features, software versions and then the 'skinning' by manufacturers, it's no surprise that Android cannot achieve the end user experience that IOS delivers.

It's not coincidence that Apple also dominates the tablet sector too - it's just further proof of how much better IOS is to use.

And your point about File structures is exactly why IOS is so much better - you don't need file structures on a phone!!!

There's a plethora of online storage solutions (Dropbox, iCloud etc etc), for those few who want 'file systems' and 3rd party solutions in the app store for those wanting file systems on the iPhone itself...most users though won't care.

As for putting two phones together to transfer files...that'll be so rarely used as to become a gimmick - as anyone who has 'bump' on their iPhone (which does a similar thing in IOS) will tell you.

Better camera software and voice recognition?

What's better about Android's camera software exactly?

And how do you know the voice recognition is better, the Nexus Prime isn't even available yet?

Siri voice recognition is far superior to that found on my Galaxy S2, so they will have to have raised their game significantly for the Nexus Prime to have bettered it.

Of course individually isolated I'm sure Android does some things better, but the overall user experience of Android is still behind IOS and always will be while there is such inconsistency and fragmentation in its OS. Some Android handsets can be updated, others wait for Updates that never come - it's all very confusing.

Hi specs are only part of the story when using a phone. As powerful as these new handsets might be, it'll always be an inferior overall experience until Android catches up with IOS...and it hasn't done so yet.

 

[Vegastouch]

Again, you misread my answer (sigh).
Okay I'll make it simpler....
You said Apple had a 5% Market share, I was pointing out that it was as high as 15% in some countries and taking the average from the figures from all the countries it comes to nearly 7%.
7% is 40% more than 5%.



Mac market share is irrelevant because we are talking about phones...not Macs. It was only because you bizarrely decided to compare the sale of Samsung phones to Macs that it is even in the discussion.




In the UK the iPhone 4s starts from £499 for the 16GB model, rising to £699 for the 64GB model. The Galaxy S2 can be purchased brand new and sim free for £395, that's £304 less than the most expensive iPhone. In the UK you cannot find a more expensive handset that the iPhone 4s.
I use Galaxy S2 (a very good phone) as the Android example, as at the time of writing I cannot find a more expensive Android handset currently on sale in the UK.





Well great. When they do merge and address the fragmentation it'll be a different story, but they haven't yet and until that time arrives Android and 3rd party development on it, will remain behind IOS.


Time will tell. Pointless speculation won't.

Time has already told. The iPhone has been the Market leading smart phone since its introduction in 2007.




lol - as stated in my previous answer, the iPhone has consistently been the best selling smart phone since it's introduction, despite some of the Android handsets having a higher spec.
If that's not confirmation of which is the leading OS, I don't know what is!

Im sorry bro but anybody who would say Apple is ahead of Android is just a fanboy. ANYBODY who doesnt care one way or the other would never agree with that. Not anymore. After a two year headstart, Android has already passed them up. iOS hasnt caught up yet. They merely got closer with the newest phone but still lack some things and will be behind again in about a month from now.

I also find it hilarious that in the other post you made, you used how much an iPhone costs as a reason it is better. I mean really? ALL of Apples products are higher priced than everybody elses, and that makes then better? Id say that is probably the biggest reason why they dont sell more of them but if some fool wants to spend $1200 on a phone that is on ebay or where ever,,....hey more power to him. People spend their money foolishly everyday. Does mean anything.

I like Apples products so dont get me wrong and i have spent money on a few but please......Android is ahead of them as far as the phone in concerned and will contnue to be sinc it takes them a year to put out something new.

 

[Picka]

@JazzyGB1 - I gave you a list of things which make Android superior to to iOS and what is behind. You are just repeating the same thing in pretty much every post, that iOS experience is better so it will always be the best OS, without really answering any of my points.

If, as you clearly do, apple integration and ease of use is your main priority, then yes, it will remain the best OS out there. If however, you want to be able to use your phone in a way which suits you rather than how Apple wants you to then Android is stretching it's lead over iOS every day of the week.

To answer your question regarding voice control, here's a simple video describing the Voice controls that Android has had for the last year or so (this is in Gingerbread, not ICS which is much improved, fastforward to get to it if you don't want to watch the full review). It's simply more accurate. Also, ICS types every word as you dictate, rather than wait for you to stop talking and then making a sentence.

As for the camera software, ICS has a nice panoramic feature which works very well, it provides 0 shutter lag on supported phones such as the Nexus, automatic face recognition, real time application of filters and other basic goodies such as image stabilization and so on. Here's a review of comparison between the camera on the iP4S and SGS2 (with Gingerbread not ICS).

Also, you forgot to mention, can you attach a simple file to an email or is that too much of a challenge for iOS5 still?

 

[JazzyGB1]

Im sorry bro but anybody who would say Apple is ahead of Android is just a fanboy. ANYBODY who doesnt care one way or the other would never agree with that. Not anymore. After a two year headstart, Android has already passed them up. iOS hasnt caught up yet. They merely got closer with the newest phone but still lack some things and will be behind again in about a month from now.

I also find it hilarious that in the other post you made, you used how much an iPhone costs as a reason it is better. I mean really? ALL of Apples products are higher priced than everybody elses, and that makes then better? Id say that is probably the biggest reason why they dont sell more of them but if some fool wants to spend $1200 on a phone that is on ebay or where ever,,....hey more power to him. People spend their money foolishly everyday. Does mean anything.

I like Apples products so dont get me wrong and i have spent money on a few but please......Android is ahead of them as far as the phone in concerned and will contnue to be sinc it takes them a year to put out something new.

I wasn't claiming the iPhone to be the best because it's the most expensive, I was merely highlighting that despite it being the most expensive handset on the market, it's also the biggest selling.
As you know the most expensive items aren't usually the biggest seller.
So to ignore this and put it down to 'fanboys' is ridiculous.

Android proliferates as it is used by just about every other phone manufacturer.
However, a great deal of these sales will be a compromise purchase by the customer and purely dictated by price.
Handsets a quarter of the cost of an iPhone are obviously more attainable, more easily afforded and so should ultimately sell more...but they don't!
That's your proof. It's not Fanboy or anything else, it's simply a fact.
I owned a Galaxy S2 for 2 months and its a very good phone, but it's not as good as the iPhone because of the OS it runs.
Until Android standardises it's OS to be compatible across all the handsets and gives both the PC & Mac user the same experience (as the iPhone does), it will always be 'the next best' choice.

 

[Tarzanman]

And your point about File structures is exactly why IOS is so much better - you don't need file structures on a phone!!!

How are you going to choose which file to attach to an email without a filing system?

Some of us use our phones for more than just sending camera shots via MMS.

 

[diamond.g]

Until Android standardises it's OS to be compatible across all the handsets and gives both the PC & Mac user the same experience (as the iPhone does), it will always be 'the next best' choice.

Um, why does there need to be a Mac or PC in the equation at all?

 

[Vegastouch]

I wasn't claiming the iPhone to be the best because it's the most expensive, I was merely highlighting that despite it being the most expensive handset on the market, it's also the biggest selling.
As you know the most expensive items aren't usually the biggest seller.
So to ignore this and put it down to 'fanboys' is ridiculous.

Android proliferates as it is used by just about every other phone manufacturer.
However, a great deal of these sales will be a compromise purchase by the customer and purely dictated by price.
Handsets a quarter of the cost of an iPhone are obviously more attainable, more easily afforded and so should ultimately sell more...but they don't!
That's your proof. It's not Fanboy or anything else, it's simply a fact.
I owned a Galaxy S2 for 2 months and its a very good phone, but it's not as good as the iPhone because of the OS it runs.
Until Android standardises it's OS to be compatible across all the handsets and gives both the PC & Mac user the same experience (as the iPhone does), it will always be 'the next best' choice.

We will have to see how ICS does this but for me it dont matter. Android as far as a phone is concerned is already the best choice for me. I have a Mac and a PC so i dont have an issue with how it works there.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Anyway, I wonder if non-Apple manufacturers are intentionally making larger phones to indirectly combat the lack of a tablet challenge to the iPad. Let's face it, there's little competition in terms of tablets. Not only do they capture people who want larger screens, but this way they get those people who are also considering a tablet too and may find that a larger phone is the best solution; it's a sort of "best of both worlds" type of deal.

I'm sure manufacturers are aware of people who have bought the iPad, fell in love with Apple's ecosystem, then gone onto get an iPhone.

That's how I'm viewing this influx of large phones.

 

[Young Spade]

Anyway, I wonder if non-Apple manufacturers are intentionally making larger phones to indirectly combat the lack of a tablet challenge to the iPad. Let's face it, there's little competition in terms of tablets. Not only do they capture people who want larger screens, but this way they get those people who are also considering a tablet too and may find that a larger phone is the best solution; it's a sort of "best of both worlds" type of deal.

I'm sure manufacturers are aware of people who have bought the iPad, fell in love with Apple's ecosystem, then gone onto get an iPhone.

That's how I'm viewing this influx of large phones.

Interesting; I never thought of it like that.

Personally, I take it as the incentive to consume more media, which is what the average consumer is using these phones for. Games, social media, and the Internet along with texting. That is what the majority of consumers do on their smart phone.

Now with that said, it's a very easy sell to offer a bigger, brighter screen along with the idea that games will be bigger, and video will be more involving.

Personally, as a fellow nerd and past hardcore gamer (semipro in H3), I love the idea of a larger screen. My first phone (Att) was a Captivate cause that's the largest screen they had at the time, followed by an Atrix (which I took back), and then a Nexus 1 which I sold a few months back for the IPhone.

All in all, the 3.5 on the iPhone is not lacking at all, and although I don't like the idea of the smaller screen, I have no gripes using this phone and now use it nonstop all day in place of my laptop for everything sans video and school work.

 

[Vegastouch]

Anyway, I wonder if non-Apple manufacturers are intentionally making larger phones to indirectly combat the lack of a tablet challenge to the iPad. Let's face it, there's little competition in terms of tablets. Not only do they capture people who want larger screens, but this way they get those people who are also considering a tablet too and may find that a larger phone is the best solution; it's a sort of "best of both worlds" type of deal.

I'm sure manufacturers are aware of people who have bought the iPad, fell in love with Apple's ecosystem, then gone onto get an iPhone.

That's how I'm viewing this influx of large phones.

I can only speak for me. I have no use for a tablet but if i did, there are like three different sizes that the android tabs come in so i dont see your logic.

 

[miggitymac]

Again, you misread my answer (sigh).
Okay I'll make it simpler....
....
7% is 40% more than 5%.

LOL! Really!? C'mon...REALLY?! You took a percentage of a percentage? Dude...7% is 2% more than 5%. If you need me to explain, I'll call over my 4 year old nephew.

Mac market share is irrelevant because we are talking about phones...not Macs. It was only because you bizarrely decided to compare the sale of Samsung phones to Macs that it is even in the discussion.

I did nothing of the sort. Are you aware of who you're addressing or replying to on these forums?

In the UK the iPhone 4s starts from £499 for the 16GB model, rising to £699 for the 64GB model. The Galaxy S2 can be purchased brand new and sim free for £395, that's £304 less than the most expensive iPhone. In the UK you cannot find a more expensive handset that the iPhone 4s.
I use Galaxy S2 (a very good phone) as the Android example, as at the time of writing I cannot find a more expensive Android handset currently on sale in the UK.

Yea, and the SGS2 was officially released in the UK on May 1, 2011. Way to compare the price of a brand new phone with the price of one that was released almost 6 months ago.

If you're not gonna bother doing basic research or even basic maths and you don't even know who you're responding to, how are people going to take you seriously?

 

[Certinfy]

You could pre-order the SGS2 for £399.99 though on O2 and an unlock costed like £15 so...

 

[JazzyGB1]

LOL! Really!? C'mon...REALLY?! You took a percentage of a percentage? Dude...7% is 2% more than 5%. If you need me to explain, I'll call over my 4 year old nephew.



I did nothing of the sort. Are you aware of who you're addressing or replying to on these forums?



Yea, and the SGS2 was officially released in the UK on May 1, 2011. Way to compare the price of a brand new phone with the price of one that was released almost 6 months ago.

If you're not gonna bother doing basic research or even basic maths and you don't even know who you're responding to, how are people going to take you seriously?

You're right, I did confuse you with another poster (lilo777). It was he who bizarrely compared apple desktop sales to Samsung phones.

However that was the only error - my maths was sound.

You see 7% is 40% more than 5%, that's as basic as maths gets, sorry if you find it confusing.
I used percentages to highlight how significant the difference is. An increase from 5% - 7% doesn't necessarily sound like a lot, but a 40% increase shows just how significant it really is.

As for the price comparison...I could find no other Android phone currently selling that is more expensive than the Galaxy S2.

If there is a better comparison I'd be happy to use it, what handset would you suggest?

 

[chakraj]

thats kind of like when I am sick of everyone fighting in this thread, then if someone else is also sick of everyone fighting in this thread that would be a 100% increase in people who are sick of everyone fighting in this thread. Wow 100% increase, thats a lot!

 

[miggitymac]

However that was the only error - my maths was sound.

You see 7% is 40% more than 5%, that's as basic as maths gets, sorry if you find it confusing.
I used percentages to highlight how significant the difference is. An increase from 5% - 7% doesn't necessarily sound like a lot, but a 40% increase shows just how significant it really is.

No. That is not correct.

What you're doing is finding the percentage increase between the numbers 5 and 7 right? Normally, that would be fine, except you're neglecting the fact that the numbers are ALREADY in percentages.

A percentage is a proportion of the total, right? For example, if you have 5 apples out of a total of 10 apples, you have 50% of the apples. If you add 2 more apples, you now have 7 out of 10 apples, or 70%. YOU HAVE ONLY GAINED 20% of the TOTAL amount of apples. In other words, 7/10 apples is not 40% more than having 5/10 apples...it's 20% more!

As I said, your maths would be ok if the numbers weren't percentages to start. But since they are, you MUST take into account the fact that they are part of a TOTAL figure. Otherwise you're completely ignoring the definition of a percentage.

EDIT: think of it this way....if you have 5 people in a room and add 2 more people into the room, the number of people in that room has increased by 40%.

But if you have 5% of the world's population in a room, and add 2% of the word's population to the room, you now have 7% of the world's population in the room. An increase of only 2%. Not an increase of 40%.



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thats kind of like when I am sick of everyone fighting in this thread, then if someone else is also sick of everyone fighting in this thread that would be a 100% increase in people who are sick of everyone fighting in this thread. Wow 100% increase, thats a lot!

That's exactly what he's doing...finding a percentage increase. Except that the figures are already in percentages, which by definition, are proportions of a total. Saying that you've gained 40% of the total by gaining 2% of the total is just dumb.

 

[JazzyGB1]

No. That is not correct.

What you're doing is finding the percentage increase between the numbers 5 and 7 right? Normally, that would be fine, except you're neglecting the fact that the numbers are ALREADY in percentages.

A percentage is a proportion of the total, right? For example, if you have 5 apples out of a total of 10 apples, you have 50% of the apples. If you add 2 more apples, you now have 7 out of 10 apples, or 70%. YOU HAVE ONLY GAINED 20% of the TOTAL amount of apples. In other words, 7/10 apples is not 40% more than having 5/10 apples...it's 20% more!

As I said, your maths would be ok if the numbers weren't percentages to start. But since they are, you MUST take into account the fact that they are part of a TOTAL figure. Otherwise you're completely ignoring the definition of a percentage.

EDIT: think of it this way....if you have 5 people in a room and add 2 more people into the room, the number of people in that room has increased by 40%.

But if you have 5% of the world's population in a room, and add 2% of the word's population to the room, you now have 7% of the world's population in the room. An increase of only 2%. Not an increase of 40%.



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That's exactly what he's doing...finding a percentage increase. Except that the figures are already in percentages, which by definition, are proportions of a total. Saying that you've gained 40% of the total by gaining 2% of the total is just dumb.

An increase from 5% - 7% is a 40% increase.

it's only 2% more of the total, but it still a 40% increase - exactly as I had stated in my original post.

Re read the thread and you'll see I was discussing the difference between 5 and 7 and that the difference between the two was more significant than it might first appear.

At no point did I ever say Apple had gained 40% of the total as you're trying to imply I did.

Oh and by the way, if one person doubles to 2, that IS an increase of 100% and is also a totally valid and correct statement..well done!

 

[miggitymac]

An increase from 5% - 7% is a 40% increase.

it's only 2% more of the total, but it still a 40% increase - exactly as I had stated in my original post.

Re read the thread and you'll see I was discussing the difference between 5 and 7 and that the difference between the two was more significant than it might first appear.

At no point did I ever say Apple had gained 40% of the total as you're trying to imply I did.

Oh and by the way, if one person doubles to 2, that IS an increase of 100% and is also a totally valid and correct statement..well done!

Man..you're dense. Yes, if a person doubles to 2, it's a 100% increase. That part is right.

But if 1% doubles to 2%, it's a 1% increase. You've gone from 1/100 to 2/100. Still with me? Now make it 2% doubling to 4%. By your maths, you have an increase of 100%, yea? But 100% = 100/100....still with me?

NOW PAY ATTENTION: a 100% increase would mean that you've got 2/100 + 100/100 = 102/100. THAT'S WRONG! You've gone from 2/100 to 4/100...an increase of 2%!!!

Like I said, you're forgetting that you're dealing with percentages. If you go from 2 people to 4 people, YES, you've increased the number of people by 100%. But if you go from 2% of people to 4% of people, then YOU HAVEN'T INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BY 100%. You've just added 2% of the number of people!

Try to remember your school days...if you write a test and score 5/10 marks, that's 50% no? If someone else scores 6/10, then they've got 60%. Does that mean they've given 20% (i.e. 2/10) more correct answers than you have? NO! It means they've 10% (i.e. 1/10) more correct answers than you have.

I've tried to explain it as best I can. If you don't get it, then you just don't get it. I just hope you have a good accountant.

EDIT: here's my very last attempt to get you to understand. Let's say the market is composed of 100 people.

5% of that market would be 5 people. 7% of that market would be 7 people. 40% of the market would be 40 people. Still with me?

When you go from 5% of the market to 7% of the market, do you go from having 5 people in the market to 45 people in the market? NO! You haven't increased the number of people you have in the market by 40%! You've increased the number of people you have by 2 (i.e. only 2%)!!!!!