Nexus Prime Specs are out!

[iamthedudeman]

First link: He didn't turn it off. He just enabled it on demand, which is not completely off. He should've turned it COMPLETELY off. Also, he didn't clear out cookies.

Second link: Benchmarks don't matter right now if we're trying to be fair, we should wait until later for better benchmarks. Since that benchmark was released the day of the iPhone 4S announcement, 3 days before it was released.

Third link: Benchmarks should not matter yet.

When you enable it on demand, that is the same as turning it off. You are reaching here. And he did clear cookies on both phones.

Benchmarks do matter. That is the whole reason for the thread. People got excited for the Nexus's specs, right?

The reason the iPhone is faster is hardware acceleration and grand central dispatch.

It uses the GPU to offset the CPU. iOS and OSX does this very well. The 4S has a dual core GPU and I don't see a android phone on the horizon match this GPU. So even with ICS, it will not be as fast because it doesn't have the hardware to back it up. My Galaxy S2 is better way better hardware wise, let alone against the 4S.

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...evealed-slower-than-the-iphone-4s-galaxy-s-ii

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/100553-why-the-galaxy-nexus-uses-omap-instead-of-exynos

How are those specs not weak? Compared to the iPhone 4S and Galaxy S2. Weaker CPU, GPU, Camera, Bluetooth. Screen Pentile Matrix. Bigger yes, but is it better? Bigger is a plus, face rec is a plus but not enough to off set the weak specs. Promised LTE, but not yet. Weak battery. Only 1750? WTH? With that screen? My Galaxy uses a 1650 and it is not enough, let alone add LTE and a larger screen. My 2000 battery and cover from Samsung lasts all day, on par with my old iPhone 4.

People are defending this? Good luck with that.

Galaxy S3 or Note anyone? If you want a big screen Android product, these will be the one to get, not the Nexus. I will wait for those two.

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find

http://www.mobilewhack.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-details-leaked/#.TqEZl2D3OGo

How are those specs impressive? Seriously, how can any Android fan not be disappointed? I am disappointed because I wanted a Android phone with a higher res screen. I will be keeping my Galaxy S2. No thanks Nexus.

 

[Vegastouch]

I posted a link about benchmarks in this thread explaining how and why they don't really mean anything. You will have to go back and find it. I cant do it right now.

As for the speeds, they are close enough. We are talking seconds here. There are other things i like much better in my choice of phone.

 

[thenerdal]

When you enable it on demand, that is the same as turning it off. You are reaching here. And he did clear cookies on both phones.

Benchmarks do matter. That is the whole reason for the thread. People got excited for the Nexus's specs, right?

The reason the iPhone is faster is hardware acceleration and grand central dispatch.

It uses the GPU to offset the CPU. iOS and OSX does this very well. The 4S has a dual core GPU and I don't see a android phone on the horizon match this GPU. So even with ICS, it will not be as fast because it doesn't have the hardware to back it up. My Galaxy S2 is better way better hardware wise, let alone against the 4S.

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...evealed-slower-than-the-iphone-4s-galaxy-s-ii

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/100553-why-the-galaxy-nexus-uses-omap-instead-of-exynos

How are those specs not weak? Compared to the iPhone 4S and Galaxy S2. Weaker CPU, GPU, Camera, Bluetooth. Screen Pentile Matrix. Bigger yes, but is it better? Bigger is a plus, face rec is a plus but not enough to off set the weak specs. Promised LTE, but not yet. Weak battery. Only 1750? WTH? With that screen? My Galaxy uses a 1650 and it is not enough, let alone add LTE and a larger screen. My 2000 battery and cover from Samsung lasts all day, on par with my old iPhone 4.

People are defending this? Good luck with that.

Galaxy S3 or Note anyone? If you want a big screen Android product, these will be the one to get, not the Nexus. I will wait for those two.

How are those specs impressive? Seriously, how can any Android fan not be disappointed? I am disappointed because I wanted a Android phone with a higher res screen. I will be keeping my Galaxy S2. No thanks Nexus.

When you enable it on demand, the phone still loads the content, just does not render it until clicked on, that is why there is an off option.

Benchmarks matter when done fairly, but let's wait until Galaxy Nexus benchmarks to come out if we want to be fair, shall we?

You forget that the GPU is overclocked on the Galaxy Nexus. You forgot that ICS has hardware acceleration, so it works with the hardware like iPhone devices. So, it does have the hardware to back it up.

First link is really stupid. Hardware on the Galaxy Nexus is better on the 4S, even the GPU since it's overclocked. OMAP 4460 is new. This is the first phone with that chipset.

I agree that Galaxy Nexus doesn't have better hardware than the SII, but it does have better hardware than the 4S, excluding the camera. Nexus phones aren't meant to have the best hardware on there, but hardware that works well with software, like iPhones.

Also, just because you have poor battery life on the GSII, doesn't mean the phone itself has poor battery life. Just like the iPhone 4S. Some people have poor battery life on it, some don't. Please don't call the battery life on the Nexus poor until it comes out.

 

[sentinelsx]

Pentile HD display is such a fail. Another rushed out launch. Just watch Apple show them how real HD is done.

Go on fandroids, attack!

 

[Thetonyk123]

Verizon? no Design? weird

 

[KurtangleTN]

It's funny, like a month ago when the 4 was out you had everyone and their grandmother here talking about how specs were not important to Apple and the user experience on the phone... now Apple fans are grasping onto a GPU.

Pentile is a bit of a disappointment but when your talking at that high of resolution you aren't even going to notice it without a macro lens. The Pentile in the Droid Bionic is different and is very noticeable without any of the benefits of the AMOLED like colors and contrast.

 

[iamthedudeman]

It's funny, like a month ago when the 4 was out you had everyone and their grandmother here talking about how specs were not important to Apple and the user experience on the phone... now Apple fans are grasping onto a GPU.

Pentile is a bit of a disappointment but when your talking at that high of resolution you aren't even going to notice it without a macro lens. The Pentile in the Droid Bionic is different and is very noticeable without any of the benefits of the AMOLED like colors and contrast.

Yes you will notice it.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/21/the-galaxy-nexus-super-amoled-display-is-a-minus-not-a-plus/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5000/galaxy-nexus-pentile-discussion-confirmed

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When you enable it on demand, the phone still loads the content, just does not render it until clicked on, that is why there is an off option.

Benchmarks matter when done fairly, but let's wait until Galaxy Nexus benchmarks to come out if we want to be fair, shall we?

You forget that the GPU is overclocked on the Galaxy Nexus. You forgot that ICS has hardware acceleration, so it works with the hardware like iPhone devices. So, it does have the hardware to back it up.

First link is really stupid. Hardware on the Galaxy Nexus is better on the 4S, even the GPU since it's overclocked. OMAP 4460 is new. This is the first phone with that chipset.

I agree that Galaxy Nexus doesn't have better hardware than the SII, but it does have better hardware than the 4S, excluding the camera. Nexus phones aren't meant to have the best hardware on there, but hardware that works well with software, like iPhones.

Also, just because you have poor battery life on the GSII, doesn't mean the phone itself has poor battery life. Just like the iPhone 4S. Some people have poor battery life on it, some don't. Please don't call the battery life on the Nexus poor until it comes out.

First link is stupid? Really how is that exactly? Why is it that the iphone 4S has better benchmarks, just not by a little mind you, but is literally destroying in benchmarks. As in not even close. How is that exactly?

Really? The Nexus has better hardware, tell me how that is exactly? Spec for Spec.
They both have weaker optical s than the iphone 4S, weaker SOC than the 4S, weaker quality screen, but bigger size, what am I missing here? How did you come to this conclusion? Honestly?

Android doesn't even come close in the hardware accelration dept. IOS has had this since the beginning. Android is just getting this now?

The A5 is what makes the difference, along with IOS agressive hardware accelration make the difference. There isn't a SOC out right now on a smartphone than compete with the A5. Not the Galaxy S2 and not the Nexus Prime.

Overclocked, lol. Ok that 384 MHz (compared to 304 MHz in the OMAP4430) will make it twice as fast sure it will. Sorry it doesn't work that way my friend. Sure you might get 5 GFLOPS instead of 3.2 and I am being generous here. The SGX 543MP2 does 14.4 GFLOPS. Like I said no comparison.

The Nexus Prime is a epic fail. Can a gimmick make up for it such as face rec, etc. I think not.


http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/100553-why-the-galaxy-nexus-uses-omap-instead-of-exynos

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...evealed-slower-than-the-iphone-4s-galaxy-s-ii

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...locked_at_800mhz_73_faster_than_iphone_4.html

The Galaxy Nexus has one, yes one antiquated GPU.

It is because of the OMAP4460 processor that the Galaxy Nexus will only have the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, an antiquated beast from 2007 that can actually be found underneath the hood of last year’s Nexus S, and in the Droid Bionic. The SGX540 is very weak compared to the Mali-400 GPU found in Samsung’s Exynos SoC (the one that powers the Galaxy S II), and it’s positively snail-paced against the Apple A5′s SGX543MP2.



Let this sink in:

That is the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Which is much weaker than a single PowerVR SGX 543 in a single core config, let alone to be compared to the The iphone's A5 processor that sports not one, but two PowerVR SGX543 GPU's. The A5 not only has a better GPU, but that GPU with Grand Central Dispatch allows the GPU to do most of the floating point calculations that the CPU would normally do under load.

The iphone 4S is the only smartphone on the market with a dual core GPU and with hardware acceleration on the market. Taking that into consideration, you can see why the 4S just is destroying all others in benchmarks currently. It's not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

Look at the SGX 540 compared to the SGX 543, now times that single core SGX 543 specs by two, basically double them.

That is the sole reason that the A5 is now the fastest SOC and with it the fastest smartphone on the planet. Even being clocked at a lower frequency at 800Mhz to save battery life. They are using the dual core GPU quite frequently to give better overall performance. The A5 almost acts like a quad core part under heavy load with hardware acceleration. The Galaxy S2 and Nexus has no such part, or one less core to speak of and one less core to aid in hardware acceleration even when ICS comes to town. You are comparing a 3 core SOC to a 4 core SOC paired with a OS that sports aggressive hardware accelration.

No where is this more evident thin the last gen iphone 4, even though it has lower specs than the comp, but the benchmarks say differently. It even keeps up with the newest Android handsets. The GPU in the iphone 4 is taking up alot of the processing load.


Of coarse they are going to have a faster SOC than Samsung, HTC, Google who ever. The 4s essentially has a extra processing core to aid in general computing. All of these smartphones use a very extensive graphical GUI and that requires alot of floating point calculations. The A5 dual core GPU takes the brunt of this work. And it is dual core.

No the 4S will not be obsolute in two months time, sorry to tell you.

 

[miggitymac]

The Nexus Prime is a epic fail. Can a gimmick make up for it such as face rec, etc. I think not.


http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/100553-why-the-galaxy-nexus-uses-omap-instead-of-exynos

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...evealed-slower-than-the-iphone-4s-galaxy-s-ii

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...locked_at_800mhz_73_faster_than_iphone_4.html

Your referenced links are epic fails.

First of all, the phone hasn't been released yet, so no one (no, not even you ) knows how the Nexus will run.

The first link you provided merely stated that the GPU used in the Nexus has been out for a while. No one knows why they chose it, and how it will affect performance yet. Maybe Samsung was worried about creating a "batterygate" so they used the less power-hungry GPU? Wouldn't that be awesome? A phone that can last the day so you can enjoy the "user experience", as described by some iFans?

The second link was to an article written BEFORE the launch of the Nexus. GOOD ONE. Again, until the phone is actually released, no one knows which will be "faster". And as many an Apple-fan has said...who the eff cares which is "faster" as long as it "just works"?

The third link had nothing to do with the Nexus, but yes, the iPhone 4S is faster than the 4. DURRR.

As for your research trail for GPU tech...way to wiki.

 

[lilo777]

The Nexus Prime is a epic fail.

We'll see about that. But your rant is clearly a fail for it contains too many incorrect statements.

First, in the Nexus S SGX 540 was clocked at 200 MHz. With 384 Mhz obviously it'll be almost twice faster. Nobody is claiming that Galaxy Nexus is going to beat iPhone 4S in GPU benchmarks but the performance should be adequate.

Second, your claims about A5 being the fastest ARM CPU are ridiculous. Galaxy SII has faster CPU. Sure A5 wins in GPU department but that matters only for a couple of games out there (then of course playing games on 3.5" screen is a questionable exercise). Howover when it comes to things like application loading, web browsing etc. Galaxy SII is faster.

Also, in Android 4.0, GUI will be hardware accelerated just like in iOS.

 

[iamthedudeman]

Your referenced links are epic fails.

First of all, the phone hasn't been released yet, so no one (no, not even you ) knows how the Nexus will run.

The first link you provided merely stated that the GPU used in the Nexus has been out for a while. No one knows why they chose it, and how it will affect performance yet. Maybe Samsung was worried about creating a "batterygate" so they used the less power-hungry GPU? Wouldn't that be awesome? A phone that can last the day so you can enjoy the "user experience", as described by some iFans?

The second link was to an article written BEFORE the launch of the Nexus. GOOD ONE. Again, until the phone is actually released, no one knows which will be "faster". And as many an Apple-fan has said...who the eff cares which is "faster" as long as it "just works"?

The third link had nothing to do with the Nexus, but yes, the iPhone 4S is faster than the 4. DURRR.


As for your research trail for GPU tech...way to wiki.

The third link was to back what I was saying. To show how iOS hardware accelration is quite agressive as it makes the iphone 4 faster than what its specs would indicate. The GPU of the previous gen iphone 4 plays a great deal in the overall processing power of the phone.

Not is the 4S only faster than the iphone 4. But faster than any Android handset currently in the market and the fastest shipping smartphone on the market.

My post it seems went over your head, and is beyond your understanding. DURR............which is appropriate term to describe yourself.

We have a good idea of how it will perform given the specs. You're delusional. We know exactly which will be faster. Are you trying to tell me that the Galaxy Nexus will have better hardware accelration, better and more agressive even though it has a weaker GPU and one less core? Really. How does that work exactly. Break it down for me? In detail.


Do the math for me? Please. The specs are not only weak, they are joke in comparison to the A5. Not even close. You can only do so much in software, you need the hardware to back it up. A single core is not faster than a dual core GPU, and a slower single core at that. I don't care how you want to spin it.

Here is some tests with the PowerVR 540.

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/10/11/early-benchmarks-declare-iphone-4s-fastest-smartphone-market/

PowerVR SGX540 graphical processing unit, which is the chip that powered the graphics of the Samsung Galaxy S and the LG Optimus 3D. Yes that is the first Galaxy, not the Galaxy S2.

Come back from fantasy land buddy.

Being a developer I have a good understanding of how the GPU works with the software.

Go back to eating your cookies jr.

 

[lilo777]

The third link was to back what I was saying. To show how iOS hardware accelration is quite agressive as it makes the iphone 4 faster than what its specs would indicate. The GPU of the previous gen iphone 4 plays a great deal in the overall processing power of the phone.

Not is the 4S only faster than the iphone 4. But faster than any Android handset currently in the market and the fastest shipping smartphone on the market.

My post it seems went over your head, and is beyond your understanding. DURR............which is appropriate term to describe yourself.

We have a good idea of how it will perform given the specs. You're delusional. We know exactly which will be faster. Are you trying to tell me that the Galaxy Nexus will have better hardware accelration, better and more agressive even though it has a weaker GPU and one less core? Really. How does that work exactly. Break it down for me? In detail.


Do the math for me? Please. The specs are not only weak, they are joke in comparison to the A5. Not even close. You can only do so much in software, you need the hardware to back it up. A single core is not faster than a dual core GPU, and a slower single core at that. I don't care how you want to spin it.

Here is some tests with the PowerVR 540.

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/10/11/early-benchmarks-declare-iphone-4s-fastest-smartphone-market/

PowerVR SGX540 graphical processing unit, which is the chip that powered the graphics of the Samsung Galaxy S and the LG Optimus 3D. Yes that is the first Galaxy, not the Galaxy S2.

Come back from fantasy land buddy.

Being a developer I have a good understanding of how the GPU works with the software.

Go back to eating your cookies jr.

Once again, iPhone 4S has the fastest GPU but it is not the fastest phone on the market. Galaxy SII is. It has faster CPU, faster WiFi, faster 3G and faster 4G. Live with that.

 

[iamthedudeman]

We'll see about that. But your rant is clearly a fail for it contains too many incorrect statements.

First, in the Nexus S SGX 540 was clocked at 200 MHz. With 384 Mhz obviously it'll be almost twice faster. Nobody is claiming that Galaxy Nexus is going to beat iPhone 4S in GPU benchmarks but the performance should be adequate.

Second, your claims about A5 being the fastest ARM CPU are ridiculous. Galaxy SII has faster CPU. Sure A5 wins in GPU department but that matters only for a couple of games out there (then of course playing games on 3.5" screen is a questionable exercise). Howover when it comes to things like application loading, web browsing etc. Galaxy SII is faster.

Also, in Android 4.0, GUI will be hardware accelerated just like in iOS.

A single core GPU will give better performance in hardware acceleration, meaning taking over floating point tasks from the CPU than a superior GPU and even better yet a dual core one to boot. How does that work exactly? Where is your logic behind that one.

Ghz doesn't mean squat. That is why they call them SOC. I explained why the A5 is faster and provided benchmarks to back up my claims. End of story.

The processing power of the Galaxy Nexus is a joke in comparison to the 4s. Live with it. Can you prove otherwise instead of giving your opinion. Benchmarks, hardware comparisons, anything?

I thought not.

Ridiculousness. Really. Are Android fanboys this delusional. Are you afraid to click on the links I provided. Are you just day dreaming or making this stuff up as you go along? Seriously.

Did you miss that the GPU plays a huge part of the overall processing power for the iphone 4s, and that it is dual core? Or the reasoning why. Do you not understand anything I said or clicked on the links provided?

What thread are you reading. Seriously. Did you come over from the Macbook threads and are confused/

Where are my incorrect statements. Name one. Back it up with benchmarks. Go ahead.

How isn't the A5 not the fastest shipping SOC right now. Give me one smartphone that is faster. I posted links to the contrary. The A5 is faster in the CPU and GPU dept. What links that I provided were you clicking on?

Are all Android fanboys in fantasyland? Haha. Oh wow. Amazing.

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Once again, iPhone 4S has the fastest GPU but it is not the fastest phone on the market. Galaxy SII is. It has faster CPU, faster WiFi, faster 3G and faster 4G. Live with that.

Really because you say so. Sorry buddy. Alice is calling, go back to fantasy land.

Ok Faster CPU, where are your benchmarks. Where?

Faster WiFi? Really.

Faster 3G yes. But we are talking about the overall performance of the phone Jr. Not it's connection speeds.

The 4S is the fastest most powerfull smartphone on the market right now.

Live with that. Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Post some benchmarks. Put your money where you mouth is.

I will wait. Lol.

Try again.

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I proved my point. Over and over. You Android fanboys are all living in fantasy land. In huge denial.

End of thread. You having nothing to stand on, no benchmarks to post, nothing.

Just endless drivel. Useless claims. Baseless opinions.

Seeya guys. The owning has been fun.

 

[ijohnbro]

Pentile HD display is such a fail. Another rushed out launch. Just watch Apple show them how real HD is done.

Go on fandroids, attack!

Show em how real HD is done? when? 2012? by then the leaders in screen technology (Samsung) will still be ahead of the game. LG does make a nice Retina display for iPhone though, but maybe Samsung will produce the screen for the iPhone 5? Samsung will produce a screen for iPhone to show Samsung a thing or two! Riiiiight

 

[lilo777]

A single core GPU will give better performance in hardware acceleration, meaning taking over floating point tasks from the CPU than a superior GPU and even better yet a dual core one to boot. How does that work exactly? Where is your logic behind that one.

Ghz doesn't mean squat. That is why they call them SOC. I explained why the A5 is faster and provided benchmarks to back up my claims. End of story.

The processing power of the Galaxy Nexus is a joke in comparison to the 4s. Live with it. Can you prove otherwise instead of giving your opinion. Benchmarks, hardware comparisons, anything?

I thought not.

Ridiculousness. Really. Are Android fanboys this delusional. Are you afraid to click on the links I provided. Are you just day dreaming or making this stuff up as you go along? Seriously.

Did you miss that the GPU plays a huge part of the overall processing power for the iphone 4s, and that it is dual core? Or the reasoning why. Do you not understand anything I said or clicked on the links provided?

What thread are you reading. Seriously. Did you come over from the Macbook threads and are confused/

Where are my incorrect statements. Name one. Back it up with benchmarks. Go ahead.

How isn't the A5 not the fastest shipping SOC right now. Give me one smartphone that is faster. I posted links to the contrary. The A5 is faster in the CPU and GPU dept. What links that I provided were you clicking on?

Are all Android fanboys in fantasyland? Haha. Oh wow. Amazing.

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Really because you say so. Sorry buddy. Alice is calling, go back to fantasy land.

Ok Faster CPU, where are your benchmarks. Where?

Faster WiFi? Really.

Faster 3G yes. But we are talking about the overall performance of the phone Jr. Not it's connection speeds.

The 4S is the fastest most powerfull smartphone on the market right now.

Live with that. Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Post some benchmarks. Put your money where you mouth is.

I will wait. Lol.

Try again.

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I proved my point. Over and over. You Android fanboys are all living in fantasy land. In huge denial.

End of thread. You having nothing to stand on, no benchmarks to post, nothing.

Just endless drivel. Useless claims. Baseless opinions.

Seeya guys. The owning has been fun.

Here is a link for you. Anandtech's article benchmarked iPhone 4S against other phones including Galaxy SII. While SGSII loses in SunSpider benchmark in the article's chart it's only because Anandtech only used the stock browser which in case of Android 3.* uses only one CPU core. When the same test is run on SGSII in Firefox or Opera, SGSII delivers much higher scores than iPhone 4S. This was reported by many SGSII owners. Here is one message in this article's comment section:

I just honestly couldn't believe these benchmarks, so I went ahead and tested them out myself for verification on my GS2 w/ 2.3.4 on AT&T.

SunSpider 9.1 w/ firefox beta = 1412.9 ms

Given it's not the stock browser, but why does that matter when your comparing graphical benchmarks on a a screen resolution higher than your device?


This is not surprising given the fact that CPU parts of both phones SOC are very similar but the one in SGSII is clocked 50% higher.

Also notice that SGSII has dual band WiFI vs single band for iPhone 4S

You can also check performance comparison between the two phones in these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp0HlX1ySGg&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1EBlCWBHHs&feature=relmfu

You'll see that SGSII is faster at browsing and app loading.

 

[ctbear]

Just stop feeding the troll people...we are excited about a new phone, and that's all we need. We gain little by proving that our choices are right.

 

[thenerdal]

First link is stupid? Really how is that exactly? Why is it that the iphone 4S has better benchmarks, just not by a little mind you, but is literally destroying in benchmarks. As in not even close. How is that exactly?

Really? The Nexus has better hardware, tell me how that is exactly? Spec for Spec.
They both have weaker optical s than the iphone 4S, weaker SOC than the 4S, weaker quality screen, but bigger size, what am I missing here? How did you come to this conclusion? Honestly?

Android doesn't even come close in the hardware accelration dept. IOS has had this since the beginning. Android is just getting this now?

The A5 is what makes the difference, along with IOS agressive hardware accelration make the difference. There isn't a SOC out right now on a smartphone than compete with the A5. Not the Galaxy S2 and not the Nexus Prime.

Overclocked, lol. Ok that 384 MHz (compared to 304 MHz in the OMAP4430) will make it twice as fast sure it will. Sorry it doesn't work that way my friend. Sure you might get 5 GFLOPS instead of 3.2 and I am being generous here. The SGX 543MP2 does 14.4 GFLOPS. Like I said no comparison.

The Nexus Prime is a epic fail. Can a gimmick make up for it such as face rec, etc. I think not.


http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/100553-why-the-galaxy-nexus-uses-omap-instead-of-exynos

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...evealed-slower-than-the-iphone-4s-galaxy-s-ii

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...locked_at_800mhz_73_faster_than_iphone_4.html

The Galaxy Nexus has one, yes one antiquated GPU.

It is because of the OMAP4460 processor that the Galaxy Nexus will only have the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, an antiquated beast from 2007 that can actually be found underneath the hood of last year’s Nexus S, and in the Droid Bionic. The SGX540 is very weak compared to the Mali-400 GPU found in Samsung’s Exynos SoC (the one that powers the Galaxy S II), and it’s positively snail-paced against the Apple A5′s SGX543MP2.



Let this sink in:

That is the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Which is much weaker than a single PowerVR SGX 543 in a single core config, let alone to be compared to the The iphone's A5 processor that sports not one, but two PowerVR SGX543 GPU's. The A5 not only has a better GPU, but that GPU with Grand Central Dispatch allows the GPU to do most of the floating point calculations that the CPU would normally do under load.

The iphone 4S is the only smartphone on the market with a dual core GPU and with hardware acceleration on the market. Taking that into consideration, you can see why the 4S just is destroying all others in benchmarks currently. It's not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

Look at the SGX 540 compared to the SGX 543, now times that single core SGX 543 specs by two, basically double them.

That is the sole reason that the A5 is now the fastest SOC and with it the fastest smartphone on the planet. Even being clocked at a lower frequency at 800Mhz to save battery life. They are using the dual core GPU quite frequently to give better overall performance. The A5 almost acts like a quad core part under heavy load with hardware acceleration. The Galaxy S2 and Nexus has no such part, or one less core to speak of and one less core to aid in hardware acceleration even when ICS comes to town. You are comparing a 3 core SOC to a 4 core SOC paired with a OS that sports aggressive hardware accelration.

No where is this more evident thin the last gen iphone 4, even though it has lower specs than the comp, but the benchmarks say differently. It even keeps up with the newest Android handsets. The GPU in the iphone 4 is taking up alot of the processing load.


Of coarse they are going to have a faster SOC than Samsung, HTC, Google who ever. The 4s essentially has a extra processing core to aid in general computing. All of these smartphones use a very extensive graphical GUI and that requires alot of floating point calculations. The A5 dual core GPU takes the brunt of this work. And it is dual core.

No the 4S will not be obsolute in two months time, sorry to tell you.

Can we please wait until ICS comes out for the fair benchmarks?

And here you go:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/iphone-4s-vs-galaxy-nexus-how-the-specs-compare-20111020/

ICS has hardware acceleration.........But yes, they're getting it now. iPhone just got Siri, which Android had for 2 years, now.

Siri is also a gimmick......

 

[mysterioustko]

Yes you will notice it.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/21/the-galaxy-nexus-super-amoled-display-is-a-minus-not-a-plus/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5000/galaxy-nexus-pentile-discussion-confirmed

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And these links prove what? Your first link says "We saw the difference clearly enough when Engadget Spanish microscopically compared the original non-Plus Galaxy S against the GS II, and now the folks at FlatPanelsHD have undertaken a more up-to-date comparison at the source link. " I don't know about you but I tend to not use a microscope on my phone. Your second link just discusses possibilities, as they state very clearly that they haven't even seen the screen in person to see how it looks. Engadget however has, and has stated in their first hand impression that the screen was very clear and text was clear and sharp. Seems like a lot of Apple fanboys are really searching for a reason to discount the screen of the galaxy nexus...screen insecurities maybe? Of all the first hand accounts, not one has had anything negative to say about the screen..pentile or not, in this case it doesn't matter.

 

[miggitymac]

BLAH BLAH GRUNT BLAH BLAH DURRR

Haha you keep focusing on the theoretical...like I said, who the eff cares about the theoretical specs, and that one phone is theoretically .5 secs faster than the other and blah times more powerful.

Samsung obviously had a reason for using the older GPU....again, maybe the "better" GPU would have eaten the battery up in 6 hours (go see the thread called "BATTERYGATE" if you need a better understanding of what I mean).

Basically, you're saying better hardware = better phone right? I'm saying that you're wrong. Why? The same reason I chose to buy a Mac over a PC. There are PC computers out there that will DESTROY most of the Mac lineup on paper, and for quite a bit cheaper too. But because I value more than just pure specs in computers, and the theoretical advantages those specs may offer, I don't really give a flying eff.

If you still don't get it, then you're really hopeless.

 

[Vegastouch]

A single core GPU will give better performance in hardware acceleration, meaning taking over floating point tasks from the CPU than a superior GPU and even better yet a dual core one to boot. How does that work exactly? Where is your logic behind that one.

Ghz doesn't mean squat. That is why they call them SOC. I explained why the A5 is faster and provided benchmarks to back up my claims. End of story.

The processing power of the Galaxy Nexus is a joke in comparison to the 4s. Live with it. Can you prove otherwise instead of giving your opinion. Benchmarks, hardware comparisons, anything?

I thought not.

Ridiculousness. Really. Are Android fanboys this delusional. Are you afraid to click on the links I provided. Are you just day dreaming or making this stuff up as you go along? Seriously.

Did you miss that the GPU plays a huge part of the overall processing power for the iphone 4s, and that it is dual core? Or the reasoning why. Do you not understand anything I said or clicked on the links provided?

What thread are you reading. Seriously. Did you come over from the Macbook threads and are confused/

Where are my incorrect statements. Name one. Back it up with benchmarks. Go ahead.

How isn't the A5 not the fastest shipping SOC right now. Give me one smartphone that is faster. I posted links to the contrary. The A5 is faster in the CPU and GPU dept. What links that I provided were you clicking on?

Are all Android fanboys in fantasyland? Haha. Oh wow. Amazing.

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Really because you say so. Sorry buddy. Alice is calling, go back to fantasy land.

Ok Faster CPU, where are your benchmarks. Where?

Faster WiFi? Really.

Faster 3G yes. But we are talking about the overall performance of the phone Jr. Not it's connection speeds.

The 4S is the fastest most powerfull smartphone on the market right now.

Live with that. Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Post some benchmarks. Put your money where you mouth is.

I will wait. Lol.

Try again.

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I proved my point. Over and over. You Android fanboys are all living in fantasy land. In huge denial.

End of thread. You having nothing to stand on, no benchmarks to post, nothing.

Just endless drivel. Useless claims. Baseless opinions.

Seeya guys. The owning has been fun.

Please just shut up. You come off just sounding like a Teenager who cant stand being told no. Your links dont work half the time and some arent even valid. Your ranting about some specs when the phone isnt even out yet and your calling out android fanboys? Your calling a gpu slow when videos show the gs2 to be faster in loading pages so the only epic fail are your childish arguments. Just go away because you arent swaying anybody on your pathetic side.

 

[bobTX10]

 

[iamthedudeman]

Can we please wait until ICS comes out for the fair benchmarks?

And here you go:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/iphone-4s-vs-galaxy-nexus-how-the-specs-compare-20111020/

ICS has hardware acceleration.........But yes, they're getting it now. iPhone just got Siri, which Android had for 2 years, now.

Siri is also a gimmick......

Ok, we will wait. How is that. Since you guy's have nothing else. And no what Android has isn't the same, you know that. I have the Galaxy S2, not even in the same league. No comparison to be made.

Here you go, what is that site supposed to tell anything that we don't already know. Benchmarks. There are benchmarks that can be compared. We know the hardware specs, so there will not be any suprises here.

Also Siri is not a gimmick, I gave examples, I will not do so again, since you guys inject in the middle of the thread without reading anything.

You fanboys are reaching hard here. Lol. Way to go.

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Haha you keep focusing on the theoretical...like I said, who the eff cares about the theoretical specs, and that one phone is theoretically .5 secs faster than the other and blah times more powerful.

Samsung obviously had a reason for using the older GPU....again, maybe the "better" GPU would have eaten the battery up in 6 hours (go see the thread called "BATTERYGATE" if you need a better understanding of what I mean).

Basically, you're saying better hardware = better phone right? I'm saying that you're wrong. Why? The same reason I chose to buy a Mac over a PC. There are PC computers out there that will DESTROY most of the Mac lineup on paper, and for quite a bit cheaper too. But because I value more than just pure specs in computers, and the theoretical advantages those specs may offer, I don't really give a flying eff.



If you still don't get it, then you're really hopeless.

The whole reason this thread was started was because of the proposed specs of the nexus phone. Specs don't mean better try following along. I am saying the complete opposite if you follow the thread. Specs don't mean squat, performance does. All you knuckleheads were spewing the downfall of the 4S, Apple sucks this and that. Now that the specs are official and they suck, specs not don't matter. Give me a break.

Try following along.

 

[nfl46]

Who's winning the argument? The amount of text in this thread may be enough for a few chapters in a book.

 

[iamthedudeman]

Please just shut up. You come off just sounding lik a Teenager who cant stand being td no. Your links dont work half the time and some arent even valid. Your ranring about some specs when the phone isnt even out yet and ykur calling oit android fanboys? Your calling a gpu slow wben videos show the gs2 faster in loading pages so the onky epic fail are your childish arguments. Just go away because you arent swaying anybody on your pathetic side

We know the GPU in the 4S is the fastest on the market. We know by benchmarks that the 4S is the fastest phone on the market right now. There is no debate, no speculation to be made. Period. End of story. The bench marks back this up time after time. I provided the links multiple times, a dozen times in this thread. The debate is over.

We can only speculate on if and when the Nexus is released weather it will be as fast as the 4S, and judging by the specs alone, and benchmarks of individual parts like the qualcomm SOC that came before it, and the GPU of what they will be. A ballpark figure. The 4S is faster than the Galaxy S2, alot faster. Not even close. Click on the links, or do a search. The Galaxy Nexus has weaker specs than the S2, and the 4S literally destroys the S2 in benchmarks.

Is this hard for you to comprehend? Is it really. That video you posted did not say what connection they were on, what carrier and the apps were dependent on a connection. Even the Calendar. Get out of here what that garbage.



You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to know these facts. Or Einstein. I know quite a bit more than you do on the subject so you might want to educate yourself before getting into a debate on which is better. You sound like a broken record.

You cannot comprehend anything. Your reasoning and arguments are a joke and you resort to name calling when you don't have a leg to stand on? Nice.

Ok Jr. Your argument is a joke, you sound like the kid who was short ten cents on his candy bar. I have yet any one of you Android fanboys show one benchmark where the Galaxy S2 beats the 4S or any Android phone for that matter. Where is it? You're saying the GPU from the original Galaxy is as fast as the SGX 543MP2 dual core GPU because it is overclocked?

Yeah makes sense.

I gave my points on the matter and all the responses were from second graders who can't provide any benchmarks whatsoever to back up their claims. None, Zero, Zilch. Back up what you say. How hard is this?


Doesn't matter if the phone isn't out yet. We know the specs, ICS can only provide HWA if the hardware exists on the phone to prove the HWA. You are comparing phones with SOC's with three cores to one that has four with agressive HWA. It isn't rocket science sherlock. But it seems it is to you.

I own the Galaxy S2. And the 4S. I know which is quicker jr.

Go back and eat your cookies and drink your milk. You're out of your league here.

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I will post back on this thread when the benchmarks are out for the Nexus. Then you can all hide under a rock. Lol.

 

[thenerdal]

We know the GPU in the 4S is the fastest on the market. We know by benchmarks that the 4S is the fastest phone on the market right now. There is no debate, no speculation to be made. Period. End of story. The bench marks back this up time after time. I provided the links multiple times, a dozen times in this thread. The debate is over.

Actually, the GPU in the 4S is not the fastest on the market. And if you use a different browser on the GSII, it beats the 4S.

 

[miggitymac]

The whole reason this thread was started was because of the proposed specs of the nexus phone. Specs don't mean better try following along. I am saying the complete opposite if you follow the thread. Specs don't mean squat, performance does. All you knuckleheads were spewing the downfall of the 4S, Apple sucks this and that. Now that the specs are official and they suck, specs not don't matter. Give me a break.

Try following along.

I have been following along.

How can you say "specs don't mean squat, performance does", then subsequently base your entire argument on specs? Are you a complete moron?

Early on in the thread, you were preaching Apple > Nexus because of OS + hardware integration, user experience, iOS, blah blah blah, so specs didn't mean squat to you BACK THEN.

And now, all you've been talking about are specs. Look back at the last few pages of this thread...tell me if you've talked about anything other than GPU, specs and theoretical performance.

I'm not arguing with you that the specs are better on the 4S. I'm not even going to speculate that the benchmarks will have better scores for the Nexus than the 4S. I'm just saying, specs really REALLY don't matter as long as it does what you want it to do. The same reason why I have a 1.86 GHz C2D Macbook Air...it's perfect for my needs, even though THEORETICALLY it's underspeced to hell.

Some people like iOS, some people prefer Android. I for one am excited about ICS. It is what it is.

For that reason, it really doesn't matter what the hardware specs are, as long as it doesn't stop people from doing what they want to do on the device. Live with it and stop spreading your fanboy propaganda. You're just coming across as a fool.