Nexus Prime Specs are out!

The Droid Razr containing the OMAP 4430 and a newer build of android gets the following score in sunspider:


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The situation will only get better for android as javascript engine is further improved in ICS as the following chart shows:


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http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0-highlights.html

BrowserMark scores will simillarly improve with newer builds. Notice the difference in score between GSII and Droid Razr In the following chart:

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I personally get a score of over 100,000 on my GSII with the latest build of android.


The A5 certainly has the far superior GPU but the SGX 540 running at 384mhz is no slouch it self. The difference should only be noticeable in the high end games as UI acceleration is not all that taxing. The Iphone 4 manages a smooth UI with just a SGX 535 running at only 200mhz(?) and Windows Phone 7 manages it with an even wimpier Adreno 200.

On the CPU side the A5, Exynos and Omap 44xx all use dual core A9 and have dual 32bit memory channels (unlike tegra), so we can in fact state that the Exynos and the the Omap at 1.2ghz are as fast as an A5 at 1.2ghz therefore approximately 50% faster than the A5 in the Iphone (800mhz) assuming linear scaling.
 
Ok, we will wait. How is that. Since you guy's have nothing else. And no what Android has isn't the same, you know that. I have the Galaxy S2, not even in the same league. No comparison to be made.

Here you go, what is that site supposed to tell anything that we don't already know. Benchmarks. There are benchmarks that can be compared. We know the hardware specs, so there will not be any suprises here.

Also Siri is not a gimmick, I gave examples, I will not do so again, since you guys inject in the middle of the thread without reading anything.

You fanboys are reaching hard here. Lol. Way to go. :apple:

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The whole reason this thread was started was because of the proposed specs of the nexus phone. Specs don't mean better try following along. I am saying the complete opposite if you follow the thread. Specs don't mean squat, performance does. All you knuckleheads were spewing the downfall of the 4S, Apple sucks this and that. Now that the specs are official and they suck, specs not don't matter. Give me a break.

Try following along.

You can read HERE how and why benchmarks really dont mean a whole lot(scroll down to "last thoughts") but im sure you will disregard it. All i know is i saw a video of the GS2 beating the 4S the majority of the time in loading pages and thats all that matters to me.

The iPhone could have a 1 million benchmark to the GS2 or the Nexus' 100 benchmark but if they are loading stuff faster, who gives a damn? And you know, i dont even know what the benchmarks were for either phone so for all i know, the Androids could be higher and im still going to say this.
 
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And these links prove what? Your first link says "We saw the difference clearly enough when Engadget Spanish microscopically compared the original non-Plus Galaxy S against the GS II, and now the folks at FlatPanelsHD have undertaken a more up-to-date comparison at the source link. " I don't know about you but I tend to not use a microscope on my phone. Your second link just discusses possibilities, as they state very clearly that they haven't even seen the screen in person to see how it looks. Engadget however has, and has stated in their first hand impression that the screen was very clear and text was clear and sharp. Seems like a lot of Apple fanboys are really searching for a reason to discount the screen of the galaxy nexus...screen insecurities maybe? Of all the first hand accounts, not one has had anything negative to say about the screen..pentile or not, in this case it doesn't matter.

Well it all comes down to the iPhone has had little hardware advantages over most of the top Android competitors. The screen was always a selling point, since it was so high res (even if it was practically useless at 3.5 inches). Now that we have a phone with a higher res and a useable size they've lost another bullet point to use in debates.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134

I'll just repeat, after about say 10 months straight of "Specs don't matter in a phone" it's hilarious the Apple warriors here are clinging onto a GPU advantage.
 
I always had faith that Matias Duarte would make Android look better given some time with it. ICS copied how to unlock it from webOS, but considering Duarte used to work for Palm and was the webOS UI mastermind, that is fine by me. ;)

After four years, Google finally made Android pretty to look at. It took over 20 years for Microsoft to do this with Windows.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-with-a-soul/2011/10/19/gIQArrKryL_story.html
Google’s new Galaxy Nexus: a phone with a soul
By Joshua Topolsky, Published: October 19

Google wants your phone to make you a superhero, to make you more powerful and to make you smarter.

On top of all that, Google wants you to love your phone, too. Apparently, love is an emotion the company has found lacking when it comes to its Android line of smartphones.

I know what you’re thinking: How is it possible the public has failed to fall in love with devices called Droids? Devices that are advertised primarily in violent television spots that seem to indicate the phone is as likely to put you in a meat grinder as it is to help you find directions to the nearest deli?

According to the head of user experience for Android — a man named Matias Duarte — for people to love their devices, the company had to figure out what the “soul” of Android was. “I don’t think anybody ever asked about the soul,” he tells me. “This was my question. It was the question I challenged the team with.”

The answer to Duarte’s question — the romantically named Galaxy Nexus, which was built in partnership with Samsung — was revealed this week at an event in Hong Kong. Literally a huge slab of a device, the Galaxy Nexus comes with all the fixings: a nearly five-inch HD display, a fast dual-core processor and Verizon’s 4G LTE service. But what is the soul of the new machine? It’s a new, more lovable version of the Android operating system dubbed Ice Cream Sandwich.

Duarte says that his team studied the current crop of competitors — most notably Apple’s iPhone operating system iOS and Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7 — and found their visual ideas lacking. Apple’s iOS deals in the re-creation of real-world objects in almost cartoonish ways — the calendar with leather edges, for instance. Windows Phone 7, Duarte says, is stark and cold, like “airport lavatory signage.”

The new Ice Cream Sandwich software is an evolution of the tablet operating system the company announced in January nicknamed “Honeycomb.” But, Duarte says, “we wanted to do more than just bring Honeycomb to phones.”

So while the Honeycomb interface had a cold futurism to it, Google wanted to use the Web as a basis for design in Ice Cream Sandwich — meaning the company needed to find a consistent language and layout, but not stay lassoed to a particular style. The Galaxy Nexus’s interface is still plenty futuristic, but it eschews the familiarity of Apple’s cartoonish icons, the flatness of Microsoft’s OS and the hard lines of Honeycomb. It’s friendly without being exaggerated, modern without feeling overly synthetic.

In Duarte’s words, the company “pumped up the snooty design quotient” and “toned down the geeky nerd quotient.”

For a company known for data rather than design, Ice Cream Sandwich is a big step in the right direction. While Apple has known all along that the experience and feel of a device can be more important than its abilities or specifications like memory capacity or weight, Google is just starting to play catch-up in the world of aesthetics.


But what about your phone making you feel like a superhero? There are tricks for that, too.

The phone can now unlock itself just by seeing you using facial recognition. It can take nearly instant dictation for
e-mails, messages and more. It can take photos with zero shutter lag (meaning you never have to wait for the picture to save to keep snapping). It can “beam” files back and forth to other Galaxy Nexuses just by tapping the two devices together — a neat trick made possible through the use of NFC (near-field communication) technology. The phone can even tell you when you’re using too much data on your plan — and cut you off if you want it to.

Google’s Ice Cream Sandwich also includes a new “People” application, which is meant to help you stay more connected to friends and family.

I’ve seen and used the device, and I can say that it really is a big change for the Android that most people know. Not only is the Galaxy Nexus a serious competitor to the best-in-breed iPhone 4S, but in many ways, it feels like Google is purposefully attacking the hard, masculine branding of its devices that Verizon has been keen to push in its advertising and partners such as Motorola have heartily embraced.

Instead, Google seems to be saying these aren’t just devices for the bleeding edge, but for the center. It’s an ironic statement for Google to make, since it currently has a larger market share in smartphones than any of the other players in the game.

When I talked to Duarte about his vision for this new device, he told me that long ago he’d decided that smartphones weren’t for a certain kind of person. “They were for everyone,” he says. “Smartphones were the way phones were supposed to be.”

With Ice Cream Sandwich and the Galaxy Nexus, it looks like Google is starting to believe that, too.
 
I always had faith that Matias Duarte would make Android look better given some time with it. ICS copied how to unlock it from webOS, but considering Duarte used to work for Palm and was the webOS UI mastermind, that is fine by me. ;)

After four years, Google finally made Android pretty to look at. It took over 20 years for Microsoft to do this with Windows.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-with-a-soul/2011/10/19/gIQArrKryL_story.html

Can't wait for the 10th.:D All Apple had to do was keep me interested. Maybe a year or so from now, but for now looks like I will be giving Android and test run.
 
The problem with other phones isn't the specs (they are impressive), it's the operating system.
Android is okay, but that's all.
It's certainly not up to spec with IOS with it's user friendliness - especially for those of us who use a Mac.
So even if the most powerful, high spec handset ever made ran Android, it's still going to ultimately be dissatisfying to use - and I say that as someone who owned a Galaxy S2 (a very good phone), but had to sell it to get an iPhone to easily sync with my Mac and run business software.
There is still too much software that isn't out for Android yet - largely because of all the different versions. Too many variables make Android 'messy'. Different sized screens, different versions of the OS and then different manufacturer 'skins' on top all make it more difficult to develop for.
Try watching SKY TV on your new Android...no can't do that yet.
Try Running a Filemaker database on it...no you can't do that either (this was a deal breaker for me).
Don't even get me started on games. real racing, driver, Fifa 12 etc etc are leaps and bounds ahead of the Android counterparts (if they have them).
However one of the most over looked failings is the lack of in integration for MAC computers. As soon as you buy an Android handset, it's off to the Market to find an app just to let you sync your music and videos.
This should be supported natively by Android by now. It's a fundamental part of using the phone and until they come up with a simple solution that's part of the phone as default, it's always going to be a step behind IOS.
I think it's great that Samsung and co are starting to produce contenders against the iPhone, but until they make Android as user friendly for EVERYBODY as IOS is, they'll always be playing catchup, regardless of how far ahead the hardware specs might be.
It's not just the cool design and specs that make an iPhone great - it's the OS and the third party software that's written for them.
Android are still a way off yet...and not because of the hardware.
 
How can you take seriously a company that names their OS, Ice Cream Sandwich?

Every time I read an article referring to ice cream sandwiches it seems so childish and immature, perfect descriptions for Android users I guess. :D
 
How can you take seriously a company that names their OS, Ice Cream Sandwich?

Every time I read an article referring to ice cream sandwiches it seems so childish and immature, perfect descriptions for Android users I guess. :D

Right. So iOS users are like safari animals?

What makes naming an OS after animals any more sophisticated than naming one after desserts? The paws? The fur?
 
Don't even get me started on games. real racing, driver, Fifa 12 etc etc are leaps and bounds ahead of the Android counterparts (if they have them).

So, you admit that you have no clue whether Android even has these games yet you are sure that if it does their quality is bad. Funny.


However one of the most over looked failings is the lack of in integration for MAC computers.

You got this one totally wrong. Android is a dominant platform. It's much more popular than iPhone. It's infinitely more popular than Mac. Android does not need Mac for success but Mac does need Android. It's not like this is a new problem, right? Being an obscure platform that it is, Macs have always lacked support for everything - printers, scanners, graphic cards etc. Those who buy Mac should be aware the consequences of such choice - very limited options: one tablet, one phones, three computers and three iPods. That's the extent of Apple ecosystem. Oh, I forgot Apple TV, sorry :)
 
Right. So iOS users are like safari animals?

What makes naming an OS after animals any more sophisticated than naming one after desserts? The paws? The fur?

True. I see your point. OSX Lion sounds silly as well.

But you have to admit a lion conveys strength and power, while an ice cream sandwich conveys ummm.....um....
 
So, you admit that you have no clue whether Android even has these games yet you are sure that if it does their quality is bad. Funny.




You got this one totally wrong. Android is a dominant platform. It's much more popular than iPhone. It's infinitely more popular than Mac. Android does not need Mac for success but Mac does need Android. It's not like this is a new problem, right? Being an obscure platform that it is, Macs have always lacked support for everything - printers, scanners, graphic cards etc. Those who buy Mac should be aware the consequences of such choice - very limited options: one tablet, one phones, three computers and three iPods. That's the extent of Apple ecosystem. Oh, I forgot Apple TV, sorry :)

No you ignoramus you are totally missing the point.
I was merely highlighting the gulf between the two as gaming platforms. ALL the games mentioned are unavailable on Android, with the exception of Fifa 2010 (which is terrible compared to the IOS version) and 2 years out of date.
Macs obscure??? lol
There is nothing 'obscure' about Macs and no 'consequences' to buying one.
That's a pitiful attempt to justify poor support by Android for the Mac OS.
For the record I can connect any printer or scanner to my Mac and have been able to do so for more than a decade.
Most Macs (iMacs, Mini's, MacBooks etc) have integrated Graphics, so card updates are irrelevant (like your entire post really).
However for those with Mac Pro's graphics cards can be updated quite easily.
So you assertions that we have 'limited options' are laughable.
As is your assertion that Apple needs Android!!! lol
Apple, the 2nd biggest company in the world needs Android? lol
Oh dear, you might want to rethink that as you sound a bit silly.
Anyway back on topic...
My point is Android as an OS is still quite a way behind IOS and until it bridges that gap, the spec of the handsets released is irrelevant.
It is much harder to develop for the fragmented Android OS than it is for IOS, hence the 87 EA games available on IOS compared to just 10 for Android!
It's the same for a plethora of other developers and their apps too (Sky, Filemaker etc etc).
If the Nexus Prime had a quad core 3ghz processor and a 20 mega pixel camera, it would still be less usable handset than an iPhone.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
The handsets are not the problem - Android is!
 
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No you ignoramus you are totally missing the point.
I was merely highlighting the gulf between the two as gaming platforms. ALL the games mentioned are unavailable on Android, with the exception of Fifa 2010 (which is terrible compared to the IOS version) and 2 years out of date.
Macs obscure??? lol
There is nothing 'obscure' about Macs and no 'consequences' to buying one.
That's a pitiful attempt to justify poor support by Android for the Mac OS.
For the record I can connect any printer or scanner to my Mac and have been able to do so for more than a decade.
Most Macs (iMacs, Mini's, MacBooks etc) have integrated Graphics, so card updates are irrelevant (like your entire post really).
However for those with Mac Pro's graphics cards can be updated quite easily.
So you assertions that we have 'limited options' are laughable.
As is your assertion that Apple needs Android!!! lol
Apple, the 2nd biggest company in the world needs Android? lol
Oh dear, you might want to rethink that as you sound a bit silly.
Anyway back on topic...
My point is Android as an OS is still quite a way behind IOS and until it bridges that gap, the spec of the handsets released is irrelevant.
It is much harder to develop for the fragmented Android OS than it is for IOS, hence the 87 EA games available on IOS compared to just 2 for Android!
It's the same for a plethora of other developers and their apps too (Sky, Filemaker etc etc).
If the Nexus Prime had a quad core 3ghz processor and a 20 mega pixel camera, it would still be less usable handset than an iPhone.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

The handsets are not the problem - Android is!
Then I wonder what was Windows PC's problem when it got all the better games over Macs? How well did Windows 7 sell again? Over 450M, last I heard.

It can be a less usable phone depending on that user's level. Some are still novice and just wannabe hipsters/yuppies. This is like a better photographer can take better shots with a cheap P&S than an inferior photographer with a $1000 DSLR. Apple spoon feeds it to you, but Linux is based on putting more work into it. And I don't get why Apple fans criticize Androids as geeks. JAILBREAKING (aka rooting) is based on geek stuff. SJ had little tolerance being around dummies but still catered to these same dummies of tech.

Almost anything in tech will become INCOMPATIBLE eventually once newer hardware comes out. Most older iPhones will never get the latest firmware and get shut out for certain apps. Many songs and videos are in different formats. Some folks in tech even love use proprietary memory cards (aka Sony).

What I find ironic is Microsoft is making more money on Android than WP7. They were guilty of stealing Apple's idea whom was taking Xerox's ideas. Then when Google copies iOS, Microsoft (the original Apple copycat) are the ones making more money off another copycat they didn't even create.

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No you ignoramus you are totally missing the point.
I was merely highlighting the gulf between the two as gaming platforms. ALL the games mentioned are unavailable on Android, with the exception of Fifa 2010 (which is terrible compared to the IOS version) and 2 years out of date.
Macs obscure??? lol
There is nothing 'obscure' about Macs and no 'consequences' to buying one.
That's a pitiful attempt to justify poor support by Android for the Mac OS.
For the record I can connect any printer or scanner to my Mac and have been able to do so for more than a decade.
Most Macs (iMacs, Mini's, MacBooks etc) have integrated Graphics, so card updates are irrelevant (like your entire post really).
However for those with Mac Pro's graphics cards can be updated quite easily.
So you assertions that we have 'limited options' are laughable.
As is your assertion that Apple needs Android!!! lol
Apple, the 2nd biggest company in the world needs Android? lol
Oh dear, you might want to rethink that as you sound a bit silly.
Anyway back on topic...
My point is Android as an OS is still quite a way behind IOS and until it bridges that gap, the spec of the handsets released is irrelevant.
It is much harder to develop for the fragmented Android OS than it is for IOS, hence the 87 EA games available on IOS compared to just 10 for Android!
It's the same for a plethora of other developers and their apps too (Sky, Filemaker etc etc).
If the Nexus Prime had a quad core 3ghz processor and a 20 mega pixel camera, it would still be less usable handset than an iPhone.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
The handsets are not the problem - Android is!

Apple does not "need Android". They need to support Android owners better for the benefit of the users of their own platform (Mac). If Steve Jobs was not such a narrow minded person, they would. But... “I don’t see an advantage of putting our own music app on Android, except to make Android users happy,” said Jobs. Yeah, he did not like Android, we get it.

And sure, Mac is vary obscure platform - just 5% of PC Market worldwide. Apple sold just 5 millions computers last quarter. Compare that to 20 million smart phones (most of them - Android) sold by Samsung alone.


And FYI, Android Market now has more phone apps than App Store.
 
Then I wonder what was Windows PC's problem when it got all the better games over Macs? How well did Windows 7 sell again? Over 450M, last I heard.

It can be a less usable phone depending on that user's level. Some are still novice and just wannabe hipsters/yuppies. This is like a better photographer can take better shots with a cheap P&S than an inferior photographer with a $1000 DSLR. Apple spoon feeds it to you, but Linux is based on putting more work into it. And I don't get why Apple fans criticize Androids as geeks. JAILBREAKING (aka rooting) is based on geek stuff. SJ had little tolerance being around dummies but still catered to these same dummies of tech.

Almost anything in tech will become INCOMPATIBLE eventually once newer hardware comes out. Most older iPhones will never get the latest firmware and get shut out for certain apps. Many songs and videos are in different formats. Some folks in tech even love use proprietary memory cards (aka Sony).

What I find ironic is Microsoft is making more money on Android than WP7. They were guilty of stealing Apple's idea whom was taking Xerox's ideas. Then when Google copies iOS, Microsoft (the original Apple copycat) are the ones making more money off another copycat they didn't even create.
The Nexus Prime specs is the topic. Windows & Mac OS comparisons are totally irrelevant and a poor analogy - as is tech becoming incompatible with age???
No one is talking about that.
I'm saying the Nexus Prime's achilles heel is it's Android OS and until Android unifies it's OS across all handsets this will always be the case.
It's too fragmented for developers to fully support it in the way they do on Apple's IOS.
 
Apple does not "need Android". They need to support Android owners better for the benefit of the users of their own platform (Mac). If Steve Jobs was not such a narrow minded person, they would. But... “I don’t see an advantage of putting our own music app on Android, except to make Android users happy,” said Jobs. Yeah, he did not like Android, we get it.

And sure, Mac is vary obscure platform - just 5% of PC Market worldwide. Apple sold just 5 millions computers last quarter. Compare that to 20 million smart phones (most of them - Android) sold by Samsung alone.


And FYI, Android Market now has more phone apps than App Store.

Macs are not 'obscure' at all. Millions are sold every year and the user base is a lot higher than the 5% you quoted - actually nearer double what you claim (see here http://osxdaily.com/2011/03/18/mac-market-share-around-the-world-usa-15-canada-14-australia-14-and-more/.
Apple sold 5 million Macs in a Quarter - not a year.
Anyway, i don't know why you are comparing the sales of Mac computers to Samsung phones - surely it'd be better to compare phones with phones?
In the last quarter Apple sold over 17 million iPhones and that was despite the impending arrival of the new iPhone 4s slowing sales toward the quarters end - Not bad for a £500 - £700 handset!
They sold a further 18 million IOS devices if you include iPads and iPods, taking the sale of IOS devices in a quarter to more than 35 million!!!.
As for the Android Market being bigger... so what?
A lot of developers for Android are small independents building apps to add functionality that should have been included as part of the OS in the first place!!
Have a look here http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/24/8468836-500000-apps-now-in-android-market and you'll see far more get removed from the Android Market than on Apple's app store, so the Android Market might be bigger, but a third of it is junk!
Android handsets can be purchased for less than £100 now, so obviously they will sell more handsets than Apple, but until Android improves it'll always play second fiddle to IOS.
The Nexus Prime will be yet another great phone that fails to reach its potential, for exactly the same reason as all the others before it....the Android OS!
 
android blows, go to your fandroid sites and argue how fast your plastic phones are

:apple:


This is always funny to me because over half of the people on here likely jam their glass phone in a chunk of plastic. Otterbox defender anyone?
 
Macs are not 'obscure' at all. Millions are sold every year and the user base is a lot higher than the 5% you quoted - actually nearer double what you claim (see here http://osxdaily.com/2011/03/18/mac-market-share-around-the-world-usa-15-canada-14-australia-14-and-more/.
Apple sold 5 million Macs in a Quarter - not a year.
Anyway, i don't know why you are comparing the sales of Mac computers to Samsung phones - surely it'd be better to compare phones with phones?
In the last quarter Apple sold over 17 million iPhones and that was despite the impending arrival of the new iPhone 4s slowing sales toward the quarters end - Not bad for a £500 - £700 handset!
They sold a further 18 million IOS devices if you include iPads and iPods, taking the sale of IOS devices in a quarter to more than 35 million!!!.
As for the Android Market being bigger... so what?
A lot of developers for Android are small independents building apps to add functionality that should have been included as part of the OS in the first place!!
Have a look here http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/24/8468836-500000-apps-now-in-android-market and you'll see far more get removed from the Android Market than on Apple's app store, so the Android Market might be bigger, but a third of it is junk!
Android handsets can be purchased for less than £100 now, so obviously they will sell more handsets than Apple, but until Android improves it'll always play second fiddle to IOS.
The Nexus Prime will be yet another great phone that fails to reach its potential, for exactly the same reason as all the others before it....the Android OS!


You are too intense. Relax. You are no even paying attention to what other post. I did say 5 million computers in a quarter. And yeas Apple's share is about 5% worldwide which the article that you referenced perfectly illustrates. Sure, it's higher in Iceland (15%) but Iceland population is whopping 300K yet their share in China is 1.5% (population 1.5 billion).

until Android improves it'll always play second fiddle to IOS

Who exactly is a second fiddle? Android phones sell at the 2 to 1 ration to iPhones. And yes, just like Android phones, iPhones may be had for free here in U.S..

Anyway, i don't know why you are comparing the sales of Mac computers to Samsung phones - surely it'd be better to compare phones with phones?

Think. Here is what you said:

However one of the most over looked [Android] failings is the lack of in integration for MAC computers.


This is why this comparison of sale volumes makes sense. Once again. Neither Google nor most other companies really care about Apple computers as long as Apple's share stays as low as it is. It is just not worth their investment. That is why you get new versions of Chrome browser way later than PC users.
 
You are too intense. Relax. You are no even paying attention to what other post. I did say 5 million computers in a quarter. And yeas Apple's share is about 5% worldwide which the article that you referenced perfectly illustrates. Sure, it's higher in Iceland (15%) but Iceland population is whopping 300K yet their share in China is 1.5% (population 1.5 billion).

until Android improves it'll always play second fiddle to IOS

Who exactly is a second fiddle? Android phones sell at the 2 to 1 ration to iPhones. And yes, just like Android phones, iPhones may be had for free here in U.S..



Think. Here is what you said:

However one of the most over looked [Android] failings is the lack of in integration for MAC computers.


This is why this comparison of sale volumes makes sense. Once again. Neither Google nor most other companies really care about Apple computers as long as Apple's share stays as low as it is. It is just not worth their investment. That is why you get new versions of Chrome browser way later than PC users.

The Samsung Nexus Prime won't work that well with a Mac? :confused: What kind of problems can I expect?
 
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