NFL Football 2010/2011 Season

[MacDawg]

Hate to break it to you, but Brady isn't retiring any time soon. He's said numerous times that he loves the game and wants to play until he's 40. In 2-3 years, Belichick is going to draft his replacement, and then he'll have a few seasons learning under Brady before he retires. This is essentially the same thing the Packers did with Rodgers. The only difference is I don't see Brady pulling a Brett Favre. Once he retires, he'll be done. He won't unretire and reretire 5 times.

I agree, and I don't see any reason why Brady should retire. He is in the perfect system with the perfect coach for him. He is not asked to do the things Manning does, so he isn't likely to see a sharp decline. He is steady and methodical. As long as he gets reasonable protection he will be fine.

The Packers are done, stick a fork in them
Aaron Rodgers out, Matt Flynn to play

 

[63dot]

Hate to break it to you, but Brady isn't retiring any time soon. He's said numerous times that he loves the game and wants to play until he's 40. In 2-3 years, Belichick is going to draft his replacement, and then he'll have a few seasons learning under Brady before he retires. This is essentially the same thing the Packers did with Rodgers. The only difference is I don't see Brady pulling a Brett Favre. Once he retires, he'll be done. He won't unretire and reretire 5 times.

Brady may be the best QB who has ever played the game. If he wins another Super Bowl, or even goes to another one, many will say he's the best ever at that point.

What does Brady have left to prove? He has 3 rings in 4 appearances and that is amazing. If he goes and wins then it's 4 for 5, and if he loses then it's 3 for 5, but either way, he has done the QB position proud.

Think of guys like Marino with no rings, yet he's still a legend.

The only thing Brady will do if he plays until 40 is decline and make fans plead for him to retire. This is the ugliest of scenarios and who wants to see that happen again? That is not a good place to be in.

Favre holds numerous records and he's just adding to them. The Favre of five years ago would have been a QB's dream career and he should have left while he was still pertinent. Favre should have retired in a Green Bay jersey as he had shown he was the franchise player at that point. No one was talking smack about him then but now people seem to hate Favre.

I don't want to see Brady play too long and have people hate him. He's a hero and one more march towards postseason will be good enough, especially since it's likely he will see a SB this year unless something terribly goes wrong like it did with the Browns.

Let's not have Brady or Manning be the next Favre. Don't you think one Favre type ego is enough to deal with in a lifetime??

 

[MacDawg]

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I don't think Brady is showing any signs of decline, and he is smart guy, if he can't play, he will walk away. Belichick won't play him if he can't contribute at a high level.

I think Brady plays because he loves the game and the competition. He isn't motivated by the legacy like Favre. They are clearly made of different stuff.

 

[63dot]

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I don't think Brady is showing any signs of decline, and he is smart guy, if he can't play, he will walk away. Belichick won't play him if he can't contribute at a high level.

I think Brady plays because he loves the game and the competition. He isn't motivated by the legacy like Favre. They are clearly made of different stuff.

Barry Sanders did not retire in decline, but he left at the top and many consider him the best ever for his position.

Brady was amazing in the 2001-2004 seasons and lately is almost as good now, and certainly a lot better than most teams' starting QBs.

If he doesn't get to the Super Bowl this year, I say go another year at age 34 and give it everything he has to just reach the postseason. If he gets there, then he did great.

I just don't see Brady, at his age now, doing another 3 for 4 again, and I just don't think this is physically possible. That Brady who ruled football with 3 rings in 4 years is gone. The Brady now is great in a lot of ways, but only in the sense that he could give it another good year or two and maybe get a ring, and maybe two, but no more after that.

People are seeing just how great Brady is at his age, and overall throughout his career, but if he goes to the Super Bowl, he will have to probably face an Atlanta or New Orleans and that is likely to be very ugly, imho.

A few years ago, Brady and company could not get it done over the mediocre Giants, and with the rising tide of the NFC, it will be just that much harder for him to navigate past those teams.

The best chance for Brady and another ring may be this year, but then only if the Saints and Falcons flub up somewhere and don't make it to the Super Bowl. I can see the Patriots beating the Rams or Giants though.

If the Super Bowl were played tomorrow, I think most sports fans would like to see the Patriots go against the Falcons. I still think the Falcons would dominate them with the Patriots unable to stop the pass or the run.

Another team I think is great, in the AFC, are the Steelers. They are 10-3 for a reason. But to make things fair in football, if the NFC South was totally kicked out of football, then I could see the Steelers or Patriots or Ravens or Jets holding up another Lombardi trophy, but the reality is that just the NFC South alone (except Carolina) is better than the AFC. And with other great teams in the NFC who are likely to pose a threat for a long time (Bears, Green Bay), I think it's the perfect time (this year or next) for both Brady and Manning to retire. Those guys ruled the QB position for a decade and that in itself is amazing. We can only expect so much from these two amazing QBs, and putting another five years to their careers would not likely be a good move.

 

[MacDawg]

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Sanders left because the Lions sucked and he refused to play for them and their management. He had no other choice at the time.

I don't know what teams you are watching, but Brady is dominate and in no way in decline. He is lights out. And I can see him playing 3 or 4 more seasons easily.

And even though the Birds are my team, I don't think they can beat Brady and Belichick. The loss to the Giants was a result of a number of factors. The Birds do not have the defense the Giants had that year by long shot and they can't pressure the QB.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree, and on this we certainly do

 

[63dot]

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Sanders left because the Lions sucked and he refused to play for them and their management. He had no other choice at the time.

I don't know what teams you are watching, but Brady is dominate and in no way in decline. He is lights out. And I can see him playing 3 or 4 more seasons easily.

And even though the Birds are my team, I don't think they can beat Brady and Belichick. The loss to the Giants was a result of a number of factors. The Birds do not have the defense the Giants had that year by long shot and they can't pressure the QB.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree, and on this we certainly do

Are you kidding? The birds, as much as I dislike them, are the standout team of the NFL. I don't have anything against Atlanta per se, it's just that some 49ers had their careers ended in your backyard. Even when we beat you, you injured us. One theory I heard from a psychologist on TV was that teams who wear black tend to hit harder and injure more opposing players than teams that don't have black uniforms. The Raiders are a testament to physical football and Atlanta is no softie there. Also, same with the Eagles who found a way of taking out starters (not only on the 49ers historically, but to many other teams and in one season they put to rest the seasons of 7 starting QBs for part or all of a remaining season). I don't know why the Eagles don't wear black with executioner's hoods on.

The Falcons share the best record with the Patriots, but then look at who both teams have beaten.

The Falcons are clearly the better team.

If the Falcons were tooling around in the AFC, they would be 13-0 and you know that. Just look at your last 20 or 30 posts on the Falcons. Nobody dared take you up on those numbers and commentary because we all know the Falcons are a machine nobody can beat. If I don't like a team like the Falcons or players like Vick, I do know that when they are humming, nothing can beat them as they are in the zone. Vick has come down to earth, but the Falcons have not and when they do, it will be next season.

The Falcons are 7 in a row on top of their 11-2.

The only comparison I can make of the Falcons is the Yankees of the second half of the 1990s and that's another sport, but you know what I mean. Let's see where this all goes over the next five years. I don't see the Falcons flying off anywhere.

 

[MacDawg]

^^^^
I am realistic about my team. They have their weaknesses and holes like every other team. The coaching staff has done a good job of keeping them focused and maximizing their opportunities. But they are hardly invincible. Their defense is protected by their offense. They need a better pass rush. They need to be better on 3rd down. They are a good team, but I fear a lot of teams.

 

[zioxide]

Brady may be the best QB who has ever played the game. If he wins another Super Bowl, or even goes to another one, many will say he's the best ever at that point.

What does Brady have left to prove?

He's not trying to prove anything. He just loves the competition and loves playing football.

Think of guys like Marino with no rings, yet he's still a legend.

The only thing Brady will do if he plays until 40 is decline and make fans plead for him to retire. This is the ugliest of scenarios and who wants to see that happen again? That is not a good place to be in.

Favre holds numerous records and he's just adding to them. The Favre of five years ago would have been a QB's dream career and he should have left while he was still pertinent. Favre should have retired in a Green Bay jersey as he had shown he was the franchise player at that point. No one was talking smack about him then but now people seem to hate Favre.

I don't want to see Brady play too long and have people hate him. He's a hero and one more march towards postseason will be good enough, especially since it's likely he will see a SB this year unless something terribly goes wrong like it did with the Browns.

Let's not have Brady or Manning be the next Favre. Don't you think one Favre type ego is enough to deal with in a lifetime??

There is a HUGE difference between Favre and a lot of other QBs. Why is it that you compare every QB who wants to keep playing until his late 30s or maybe 40 to Favre? Kurt Warner just retired this past season, and he's 39. He didn't pull any of the Brett Favre ****. John Elway was 38 when he retired. So was Steve Young.

The difference with Favre is that he's a drama queen diva. He had to retire and unretire 4 times. They had helicopters covering his return to Minnesota like he was riding shotgun in OJ Simpson's white Bronco. That's why people hate Favre. It's not that he played until he's 42. If he would have stayed retired at 39, after his first retirement from Green Bay, everyone would have loved him. He tarnished his legacy by unretiring to go to the jets, then unretiring twice more to go to one of the Packers most hated rivals.

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I don't think Brady is showing any signs of decline, and he is smart guy, if he can't play, he will walk away. Belichick won't play him if he can't contribute at a high level.

I think Brady plays because he loves the game and the competition. He isn't motivated by the legacy like Favre. They are clearly made of different stuff.

spot on right there.

People are seeing just how great Brady is at his age, and overall throughout his career, but if he goes to the Super Bowl, he will have to probably face an Atlanta or New Orleans and that is likely to be very ugly, imho.

Yeah, ugly for Atlanta or New Orleans. The Pats just beat up on two nine win teams (everyones Superbowl pick the Jets and the NFC North leading Bears) by a combined 81 points.

A few years ago, Brady and company could not get it done over the mediocre Giants, and with the rising tide of the NFC, it will be just that much harder for him to navigate past those teams.

That Giants team wasn't mediocre. That was a really good matchup, great offense vs great defense. The Pats won the first matchup in the last week of the regular season (to go to 16-0), and the Giants won the second matchup. If they would have played each other two more times, they would have split those games as well.

Brady was amazing in the 2001-2004 seasons and lately is almost as good now, and certainly a lot better than most teams' starting QBs.

Did you watch any of the games in those seasons? Brady was good in those games. Not great, not amazing. He was a young QB who had almost no experience in the NFL. Super Bowl XXXVI was Brady's 16th game as an NFL quarterback. He played 3 whole snaps his rookie year (2000), so that season was essentially a rookie season for him. He played on a great team with an amazing defense. The Patriots of the early 2000s won games and championships because of defense first. The Pats D of 2003-2004 was one of the best championship defenses of all times. Brady ran an average offense that looked better because of the defense.

To say he's "lately almost as good now" is absurd. He is in his absolute prime right now, and is playing the best football of his career. If you put 2010 Brady on the 2003-2004 Patriots, they wouldn't lose a game. Ever. Now he has TEN years of experience playing in the NFL, reading defenses, identifitying the mike, changing plays and protections pre-snap, etc. He has more command of that offense now than he ever had before, and that's with all of the new faces made up of rookies and undrafted free agents.

Additionally, he looks like he's in the best shape of his career right now. He has been spot on with accuracy in his passes. He has 29 touchdowns to only 4 interceptions this year. 2 of those interceptions were deep bombs to Moss in double coverage (trying to force it) and one was a hail mary. That leaves him with ONE legitimate interception on the season. He's gone 268 straight pass attempts without a pick (19 more and he breaks the all time record). You can't say for sure until much later down the road, but it's quite possible we are seeing the best single season by a quarterback ever by Brady this year.

After the Pats traded away Moss, everyone called them stupid. Everyone said they had no chance because Randy Moss wasn't going to be there to open up the middle of the field anymore. People didn't even think they were going to make the playoffs.

Well, they proved them all wrong. They are a much better team now that Moss is gone. And there's ONE reason for that: TOM BRADY.

--- edit:

I just read this article on ESPN Boston

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy and cornerback Charles Woodson compared Patriots quarterback Tom Brady favorably to the legendary Joe Montana on Wednesday during their respective conference calls.

“Brady is the number one quarterback around,” said Woodson. “There are some similarities between Brady and Joe Montana. Brady, the way he drops back in the pocket when there’s no rush on him, and if someone comes at him, he calmly steps up in the pocket. There’s no panic in his game. He’s a winner. Joe Montana was a winner, too. That’s the greatest comparison.”

McCarthy, who coached Montana in Kansas City when the quarterback was finishing up his career, sees similarities, too, especially in their throwing mechanics.

“Tom Brady is strong mechanically, definitely someone you want to videotape to study,” said McCarthy. “The flexibility he has in his shoulders and his elbow speak to his pinpoint accuracy. He makes all the throws, especially this time of year. Look at the game last week in [snowy] Chicago, the velocity and accuracy he had. Joe was probably the most fundamental quarterback I’ve been around, but Tom is in that category.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4689709/brady-has-packers-respect

 

[63dot]

Additionally, he looks like he's in the best shape of his career right now. He has been spot on with accuracy in his passes. He has 29 touchdowns to only 4 interceptions this year. 2 of those interceptions were deep bombs to Moss in double coverage (trying to force it) and one was a hail mary. That leaves him with ONE legitimate interception on the season. He's gone 268 straight pass attempts without a pick (19 more and he breaks the all time record). You can't say for sure until much later down the road, but it's quite possible we are seeing the best single season by a quarterback ever by Brady this year.

After the Pats traded away Moss, everyone called them stupid. Everyone said they had no chance because Randy Moss wasn't going to be there to open up the middle of the field anymore. People didn't even think they were going to make the playoffs.

Well, they proved them all wrong. They are a much better team now that Moss is gone. And there's ONE reason for that: TOM BRADY.

If what you are saying is correct and we can reasonably extrapolate from those stats, we are not talking about the best QB in football history or even best player in the history of football (who the NFL gave accolades to Jerry Rice), but you are talking about something that has never been seen in any sport I can think of.

The only sport I could think of where an older, experienced guy ruled was Ali in boxing. There is no denying he is the most famous sports figure in televised history, but if Brady is peaking as a QB right now, and his decline is steady, and he's like Ali was to boxing, we will see a 42 year old QB with three more rings left in him, and maybe in 4 or 5 attempts.

This Brady you are talking about will not only win 6 rings, but pass for over 100,000 yards and pull off 700 career TDs. While this isn't exactly impossible, it's as unlikely as a 35 year old boxer capturing his third heavyweight boxing title. These type of athletes happen once every 100 years. On the female side of bizarre and great athletes, there was Babe, and not the baseball one.

Let's see what Brady has left, and if he has only gone through only half a tank, then I say, let's see him do 20 years in the NFL like a Favre or Rice.

 

[Apple OC]

And even though the Birds are my team, I don't think they can beat Brady and Belichick. The loss to the Giants was a result of a number of factors. The Birds do not have the defense the Giants had that year by long shot and they can't pressure the QB.

MacDawg ... Any Given Sunday ... when it comes to the NFL ... only GameDay decides.

looking forward tomorrow to ...
Eagles-Giants
New Orleans-Baltimore
Atlanta-Seattle
Jets-Pittsburgh

and Monday Night ... outdoors Chicago-Minny

 

[zioxide]

If what you are saying is correct and we can reasonably extrapolate from those stats, we are not talking about the best QB in football history or even best player in the history of football (who the NFL gave accolades to Jerry Rice), but you are talking about something that has never been seen in any sport I can think of.

The only sport I could think of where an older, experienced guy ruled was Ali in boxing. There is no denying he is the most famous sports figure in televised history, but if Brady is peaking as a QB right now, and his decline is steady, and he's like Ali was to boxing, we will see a 42 year old QB with three more rings left in him, and maybe in 4 or 5 attempts.

Realistically, I see Brady having probably 2 more seasons after this in his prime, and then 2-3 years of still playing at a high level. That puts him right at 38, and I expect him to retire somewhere between 38-40. I don't see him going past that. There are too many variables in each NFL season that make winning a championship VERY difficult. That said, if all other things are equal, Brady has a great shot at 4 rings and possibly a 5th. I think 6 is a stretch, but again, it's not impossible.

This Brady you are talking about will not only win 6 rings, but pass for over 100,000 yards and pull off 700 career TDs. While this isn't exactly impossible, it's as unlikely as a 35 year old boxer capturing his third heavyweight boxing title. These type of athletes happen once every 100 years.

Let's see what Brady has left, and if he has only gone through only half a tank, then I say, let's see him do 20 years in the NFL like a Favre or Rice.

Until 2007, Brady was never a guy to put up huge numbers. He's currently got just over 34,200 yards and 254 touchdowns. He's actually 5th all time in passer rating (behind Rivers, Rodgers, Young, and Romo). The three Rs in that group have way too small sample sizes, and I don't see them staying in the top 5 in rating for their entire career. However, Brady is ahead of Montana and Marino, and dead tied (94.9 with Manning).

The big numbers that Brady puts up is wins. As far as I know (I can't find an actual table of the stats), Brady has the best winning percentage by any quarterback in the super bowl era. That's enough for me.

 

[MacDawg]

The "best" QB argument is always subjective

Stats? Marino never won a SB
Wins? Total or post season? Bradshaw won 4 SBs, is he in the mix?

Great QBs can play on bad teams (Manning Sr)
Average QBs can play on great teams and win a SB (Dilfer, Brad Johnson)

I think the "best" QB...
• Finds a way to win in adversity
• Makes others better
• Maximizes the team's strengths, not his stats
• Minimizes turnovers and mistakes
• Leads his team to over achieve
• Wins championships

You can add more, but you get the idea
(and it would even have to take into consideration the era)

For me it isn't the number of TD passes, yards, completions, etc. or even the number of SB wins. I don't think it can be quantified that way because the best QB has the intangibles of a Montana, Young, Brady, etc.

The best test for me is, who do you...
1. Want to build a team around in their prime if you had one
2. Want to lead you in the closing minutes when you had to score
3. Trust with everything on the line

There are a number of great QBs
I am personally a fan of what Brady has accomplished
Montana, Elway, Manning, Young, Marino and others have their arguments
But to me, Brady is a cold, methodical assassin
Manning is probably the closest in temperament, but he has choked over the years while Brady has delivered

Edit:

Speaking of QBs
Source: Tim Tebow to start

Opinions of Tebow's future as an NFL QB?

 

[iJohnHenry]

Anyway his career stats are impressive, he's done a good job, but now he's old and in decline and it's a good year to retire. In that age range of 34, maybe 35-ish is usually a good time for most NFL QBs to leave the sport if not earlier.

Excuse me, but you children are too young to remember George Blanda, and his incredible late-career with the Oakland Raiders.

What a man. R.I.P., George.

 

[furcalchick]

i think tebow will do good in the nfl. i see him as possibly the next vick.

 

[63dot]

Excuse me, but you children are too young to remember George Blanda, and his incredible late-career with the Oakland Raiders.

What a man. R.I.P., George.

This guy was amazing. Even after his long starting QB career, the football kept him on for eight more seasons as a kicker (though sometimes only as a backup) which would put him around age 50 when he was completely done with football and off the Raider payroll. I think not only Oakland, but America loved Blanda. Some kickers don't even have eight years total! It was 1976 and I was a teen and the name being tossed around was Stabler though Blanda was there for his last and 26th season. Though I would have liked to have seen Stabler win more SBs, he was a really great QB and Madden was a really great coach. We thought of Blanda as too old so we put our faith in Stabler but if anybody could go out there a toss a TD after not starting for years, it was Blanda. That Raiders team (Blanda, Stabler, Madden) had around a .750 average, the highest at the time in professional sports. Who today can match that?

I was hoping Jerry Rice would have stuck it out with the Raiders until age 45 with maybe one more year as a starter, and then the next few as a backup. If anybody could have done it until age 45 in the modern NFL, it was Rice. Blanda's career will never be surpassed in terms of years.

For Manning or Brady to even make it to 40, I would have to see it to believe it. I have to admit I didn't think any team would have Favre after the Packers yet he worked with the Jets and the Vikings. He proved all the naysayers wrong, including me who thought he was through, as great as he was in his Green Bay career.

But I think in today's football, where average starters leave around age 35 or win their last Super Bowls in that age range, we won't see other 40 year old starters like Favre. Ego or not, team player or not, Favre is the exception in today's football and will probably keep that distinction of being 40 and throwing in the 90s.

If Rice and Blanda were models for starters, we would see far more 40 year olds starting in their respective positions. The reason, besides age, is that teams want to win and no single player is bigger than the team. Those really old Raider players, as much as I liked them in my backyard, are simply statistical outliers and as common as hen's teeth.

That being said, if I had to pick a QB to make it to "40+" and still keep up high 80-ish ratings as a starting QB, it would be Brady or Peyton Manning. That's also assuming they wouldn't get banged around like Aikman or Young or Montana, none of who made it to 40 as a starter. Montana's last SB win was at age 33 and the score was 55-10 in that SB so many thought he would go on to win one more, but it never happened, even with a superb 49ers and Chiefs, and this is Joe Montana we are talking about, easily the greatest QB in the game's history when he retired.

Right now, a lot of people are putting the hate on Favre, but in five or ten years, when we see absolutely no consistent 40 year old starters in the NFL, people will realize just how rare of a person Favre is.

 

[fotografica]

Opinions of Tebow's future as an NFL QB?

From what I've seen in the past,"gimmick" QB's in college don't generally fare well in the NFL. What will benefit him,is that he's playing in a weak division. One which can be won by an 8-8 record (08 Chargers)...

Right now, a lot of people are putting the hate on Favre, but in five or ten years, when we see absolutely no 40 year old starters in the NFL, people will realize just how rare of a person Favre is.

Your man love for Favre has been well documented in the annual NFL threads here. But this year it's bordering on giddiness. If hanging around to pad your own stats is an indicator of a great QB,then yeah,he wins going away. Since his first and only fondling of the Lombardi Trophy on the floor of the Superdome (the SB in which Desmond Howard was the MVP and whom without the Pack may not have even won that game.Still will never understand why Parcells decided to KO to him after the Pats scored the go ahead TD),his post season appearances have been less than stellar. Sure,he put up a great season in 07 as a 37 year old,but in the two biggest regular season games against the Cowboys,he coughed up fur balls in both. He's not even the greatest Packers QB. That would be a gentleman named Bart Starr...
I've been a Pat's fan for over 30 years. I've sat through 1-15,Dick MacPherson,Rod Rust,Scott Sisson,Scott Zolak etc. Even I didn't expect this season. On Labor Day if you would have told me that the Pats would be 11-2 and beaten who they have the way they have,I would have asked for what you're smoking. The over/under in Vegas for Pat's wins was 9.5. Nobody expected this team to do anything. In September,I would have been happy with a wild card.. They have a low defensive ranking due to the fact that in Sept/Oct,they stunk defensively. Look at their defensive stats since the Cleveland debacle..Please do keep harping on Brady and his "band of nobodies"..
It's also never good to compare different eras in the game. Which is why the "greatest" argument is always subjective. Look at the game today. The defense can barely put a hand on the offense. The rules heavily favor the offense. The last under 200 point defense was the 2000 Ravens. You've got a better chance of seeing Vince Wilfork modeling a Speedo than you do of seeing another under 200 point defense any time soon...
And let's even forget just about the size of players. Mike Webster,Steeler's center from their glory days,played at 250lbs. Brandon Jacobs,RB of the Giants,plays at 264. You rarely see an O lineman at under 300lbs these days. The game changes,the players change,the rules change etc. Which is why "The Greatest" arguments are always tricky when comparing different eras..

 

[63dot]

It's also never good to compare different eras in the game. Which is why the "greatest" argument is always subjective. Look at the game today. The defense can barely put a hand on the offense. The rules heavily favor the offense. The last under 200 point defense was the 2000 Ravens. You've got a better chance of seeing Vince Wilfork modeling a Speedo than you do of seeing another under 200 point defense any time soon...
And let's even forget just about the size of players. Mike Webster,Steeler's center from their glory days,played at 250lbs. Brandon Jacobs,RB of the Giants,plays at 264. You rarely see an O lineman at under 300lbs these days. The game changes,the players change,the rules change etc. Which is why "The Greatest" arguments are always tricky when comparing different eras..

It's fun to compare different eras, but you're right. There is no way to really know. What we do know is that the Pats share the best record in the NFL and any early season naysayers have been shut up.

It looks like the Pats have a good chance to tear through the AFC and that's as far as I want to guess for now if I had to put money on it. I have not bet on a game in many years and I don't plan on doing so now. I did bet against my 49ers in the 1984 season going against the Dolphins in the SB. Marino seemed unstoppable back then.

I am curious to see how the Jets, Ravens, and Steelers will play out the season.

 

[fotografica]

What we do know is that the Pats share the best record in the NFL and any early season naysayers have been shut up.

Which means nothing come January. Everybody is 0-0. That's what great about the NFL post season. One and done. You lose,break out the golf clubs. It's not a best of. Teams don't have a second chance if they lay an egg or have a bad game.. And as we've seen in recent years,regular season success doesn't always transfer over to the post season. But yeah as a Pat's fan,I'm pleased so far...

 

[63dot]

Which means nothing come January. Everybody is 0-0. That's what great about the NFL post season. One and done. You lose,break out the golf clubs. It's not a best of. Teams don't have a second chance if they lay an egg or have a bad game.. And as we've seen in recent years,regular season success doesn't always transfer over to the post season. But yeah as a Pat's fan,I'm pleased so far...

Agreed. And this is a very interesting season and I can't wait until postseason.

 

[zioxide]

I think the "best" QB...
• Finds a way to win in adversity
• Makes others better
• Maximizes the team's strengths, not his stats
• Minimizes turnovers and mistakes
• Leads his team to over achieve
• Wins championships

sounds like Tom Brady right there.

The best test for me is, who do you...
1. Want to build a team around in their prime if you had one
2. Want to lead you in the closing minutes when you had to score
3. Trust with everything on the line

also sounds like Tom Brady.

There are a number of great QBs
I am personally a fan of what Brady has accomplished
Montana, Elway, Manning, Young, Marino and others have their arguments
But to me, Brady is a cold, methodical assassin
Manning is probably the closest in temperament, but he has choked over the years while Brady has delivered

They need a thumbs up icon on here.

Edit:

Speaking of QBs
Source: Tim Tebow to start

Opinions of Tebow's future as an NFL QB?

He'll probably be the next Vince Young.

 

[MacDawg]

Well, Fox isn't showing the early game here
Would love to be watching the Giants-Eagles or Saints-Ravens

CBS is giving us the Colts-Jags

 

[robo]

Well, Fox isn't showing the early game here
Would love to be watching the Giants-Eagles or Saints-Ravens

CBS is giving us the Colts-Jags

You don't want to watch the Eagles/Giants game The only question is who's going to be the GOAT on defense in this one Can you say Demitri Patterson...

 

[Apple OC]

Awesome play by Vick here to tie this Game up ... Reminds me of Vince Young when he played in the "National Championship Game"

just brilliant running

Wow ... can you believe this turnaround ... Fantastic Win for Vick and the Eagles ... one for the ages.

 

[dmr727]

Wow - rough day to be a Giants fan. What was that kicker thinking???

 

[robo]

The miracle at the Meadowlands... Part two...