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NFL Football 2010/2011 Season
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Wade Phillips.... What.
Any billionaires here want to buy a team so we can get a new one?
Next thing you know Vince Young will be the quarterback.
I'm from Nashville and have lived in the Dallas area for the past 7 years. I can tell you that if Vince has a fragile state of mind and ego then there is no way he could handle the change from Nashville to Dallas. The Music City sports media is powder puff compared to Dallas and the sports fans here are much more harsh. If he pulled some of those immature stunts as a Cowboy it would be like having T.O. back if not worse. Case in point, a Cowboy fan actually thinks Young would be an upgrade over Romo. Fickle man, just fickle.
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I Still stand by my opinion ... the National Championship Vince won for the Texas Longhorns was one of the single greatest QB running games I have ever seen.
The bottom line is ... He can play some serious Football.
as for Romo ... give me a break.
The bottom line is ... He can play some serious Football.
as for Romo ... give me a break.
Man my boy John... you should of seen him on the street last night. Made like 5 shots from the mailbox. Serious crap. He is NBA material.
Understand this. NCAA football is nothing like NFL. 95% of those players he ran against didn't even go pro. He is now playing against nothing BUT pros. Put that championship team against any NFL team and they would get slaughtered.
Charlie Ward won a Heisman and didn't get drafted
Great NCAA performances never guarantee NFL success
VY problem isn't talent or physical skills
It is between his ears
Great NCAA performances never guarantee NFL success
VY problem isn't talent or physical skills
It is between his ears
Charlie Ward won a Heisman and didn't get drafted
Great NCAA performances never guarantee NFL success
VY problem isn't talent or physical skills
It is between his ears
Charlie Ward was also a great 2 sport athlete ... probably a better Basketball player than Football.
Just because I mention Vince's thrilling National Championship win to stop a USC team at 25 straight wins (Reggie Bush and all)
Vince Young has already proven he can play in the NFL at a very high level.
I don't think anyone questions his physical skills and talent
It is his mental approach to the game
Look at the great NFL QBs
Brady, Manning, Brees, Ryan, et. al.
It is their mental approach and toughness, not their physical skills and talent
Look at the busts
Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Jeff George, et. al.
Great physical talents, but head cases that never "got it"
VY has issues that prevent him from being a respected leader on the field and in the clubhouse. There are reasons Fisher was done with him and reasons why the Titans are cutting their losses. Will he get another shot? Probably. Will he take advantage of it? I doubt it.
Hey, I'm a Vince Young fan. I loved watching him beat USC in the championship game and I was excited about him going to my beloved Titans. And you are correct in saying that he did some good things while there. However, that being said, making it as a successful professional athlete is kinda like the "perfect storm". Lots of factors must fall into place. Take your pick, physical skill/talent, mental toughness, work ethic, teammates, coach, owner, city/location, etc. etc., all are important factors that will impact a players achievement. Thus, we often see an athlete be unsuccessful in one situation, but rise to great heights when some things change or vice versa.
I hope Young goes on to have great success somewhere else. I'm just saying that I don't think Dallas is a good fit for him based on what seems to be his current skill set and struggles.
As for Romo, he hasn't yet proven he can be a championship QB, but I think he's better suited for Big D than Vince is. What the Cowboys truly need at the QB position is a leader and I think we can all agree that both Romo and Vince don't yet meet that criteria. The bottom line is Jerry's not ready to give up on Romo and Vince isn't going to go somewhere as a back up, so talking about such a move is really just an exercise in debate.
I agree with this. Had he not lost his temper with Jeff Fisher and then continued with the silent treatment, the conversation would be different today. I still hope Bud Adams has enough sense to fire Fisher soon too though. His record wouldn't be acceptable in any other city.
The Titans won games in spite of Young, not because of him. He is a serviceable QB at best and he is rarely at his best. His physical attributes are very good. His mental toughness is nonexistent and will keep him from being anything other than an average QB, if that. Could some coach turn him around? Sure. Could some life-altering event turn him around? Sure. I wouldn't count on it though. In the end, people will most likely look at him as slightly less of a bust than Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, or Tim Couch. To put it bluntly, he was a very good college player, but a garbage NFL QB.
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If we were talking about the 2007 season, I'd agree with this. That was a terrible season for him with the exception of maybe 4 games (not all of which the Titans won). If it weren't for the defense that year, the Titans wouldn't have made the playoffs. The 8 games he played in 2009 and the games he played in 2010 (I think it was 6 or 7), he was fine. I think he still needs to work on short range passing, but his mid to long range passing is very good.
I don't know about "toughness." He handled his relationship with the coach stupidly though. I don't think that has anything to do with being tough.
It has to do with maturity and anger management
Two things he has not shown he is able to master at this point
And two things that must be a part of a leader on the field
Would another setting and coach help?
Possibly
I have my doubts
Agreed. Not sure what it is, but he doesn't seem to have it together mentally to be the quarterback that he could be.
Yeah, I agree. You knew he hadn't matured that much because he talked about it too much.
I'm curious about a new coach for him. Personally, I think that he has the skills to be a very dominant player, if only he could master them.
Some people rely so much on their raw talent they never develop into a complete player
Pull up Romo's numbers. He has some dam good numbers. So he has only really played for four seasons under a coach that was not really a stellar coach.
He finally lead the team with the help of others to a playoff victory. Sorry I am a Romo fan and like him.
The only difference between 2007 and 2009-2010 was the team around him. In 2009 and 2010, they won games in spite of him. He did almost nothing to help his team win that any other average QB couldn't do. Heck, some of their best games over that stretch where with Kerry Collins at the helm. He can't handle the pressure of being a QB. He can't handle the work required to be a good QB. There are probably 30+ other QBs in the league that I'd rather have, including various backups due to their upside.
They talked about this on sports radio here in TX as I was on my way home. The first thing they said is that Young does not have the intelligence required to be a successful QB. They referred to his testing prior to the draft and how he scored miserably. They said this mainly affects him in his ability to read defenses. Reportedly the reason Fisher pulled him in one of the games this year was because he couldn't read the defensive schemes and kept throwing to the wrong spot for incompletions.
How true is all this info, who knows, but if there's any measure of truth to it then he's got a tough road ahead. In today's NFL the QB has got to know how to read what's going on and in turn how to adapt the playbook. If he just tries to get by on raw talent then he'll be like Vick was during his time with the Falcons.
How true is all this info, who knows, but if there's any measure of truth to it then he's got a tough road ahead. In today's NFL the QB has got to know how to read what's going on and in turn how to adapt the playbook. If he just tries to get by on raw talent then he'll be like Vick was during his time with the Falcons.
Wait.
That's just not true. First of all, no one is talking about Kerry Collins' play. The Titans' defense is horrible, so I'm not sure how they could have won in spite of him. The Titans won games in 2009 and 2010 with the help of his good play. In 2009, Kerry Collins lost 6 games straight. In 2010, Kerry Collins' best game was against the Eagles throwing ducks to Kenny Britt. Now, in case you are not very familiar with Jeff Fisher football, it's not like the scheme requires an elite QB. In fact, an elite QB would probably suffer. It's grind-it-out football. @mscriv: the whole wonderlic thing is kind of dumb. This is football, not chess. Vince Young's problem seems to be emotional intelligence.
The game they were talking about was against the Steelers. Who knows, really. The only info that leaked about that game was that he didn't prepare properly.
I wouldn't be too quick to discount the Wonderlic
And while it may be football, watch Brady and Manning play chess with the defense
I believe a QB has to have the mind for it
Jamarcus Russell has all the physical tools, but he was a bust
Remember Heath Shuler coming out of Tennessee... never could grasp the NFL
The QB position is the most mental position on the field
And it is far more important to have the mind than the physical talent
As I said before, too many players have relied on raw talent and never developed into a complete player
VY is a talent
But he is not a leader
And while it may be football, watch Brady and Manning play chess with the defense
I believe a QB has to have the mind for it
Jamarcus Russell has all the physical tools, but he was a bust
Remember Heath Shuler coming out of Tennessee... never could grasp the NFL
The QB position is the most mental position on the field
And it is far more important to have the mind than the physical talent
As I said before, too many players have relied on raw talent and never developed into a complete player
VY is a talent
But he is not a leader
So you are going to tell me Tom Brady or Peyton Manning wouldn't thrive in a Jeff Fisher offense? I'm pretty sure either of those guys would still be perennial MVP candidates if all the offense consisted of was "go long and get open."
Enough about Vince Young already... its the playoffs for god's sake
Jets at Colts
The Jets are a better team, even with all their distractions and lunacy. The Colts are not the Colts of the past several years. They are hurt and banged up and aging. But they still have Manning, and Manning > Sanchez who is hurt himself. Sexy Rexy has dissed Brady and praised Manning, but sucking up to Peyton won't help his team on the field. This is a tough game to call, but I think the Jets find a way to lose a game they should win, and the Colts find a way to win a game they should lose. I think this will be a sloppy game that goes back and forth and makes you wonder if either team deserves to win.
Ravens at Chiefs
The Chiefs have had a surprising year, and it is always tough to play at Arrowhead. But they have no playoff experience and this is an angry Ravens team. I want to pick the Chiefs, but I just don't think they are there yet. I think the Ravens run the ball hard and make some big plays on defense to win this game.
Saints at Seahawks
Saints blow the Seahawks out in the first half and coast in the second half.
Packers at Eagles
Probably the most intriguing game of the week. Rodgers and Vick, both great QBs and both with great weapons to work with. Can Green Bay go on the road to Philly and win? The weather won't bother them, that's for sure. What kind of game will Vick have and is he 100%? The winner likely comes to the Dome to play the Falcons. I don't look forward to either matchup. We lost in Philly to the Eagles and beat the Packers in the last minute at the Dome. I think Green Bay is hot right now and the Eagles have cooled. I'm going to pick the Packers to knock of Philly in a great game that goes down to the wire.
Well, those are my picks... all 4 road teams to win
How do YOU see these games?
Jets at Colts
The Jets are a better team, even with all their distractions and lunacy. The Colts are not the Colts of the past several years. They are hurt and banged up and aging. But they still have Manning, and Manning > Sanchez who is hurt himself. Sexy Rexy has dissed Brady and praised Manning, but sucking up to Peyton won't help his team on the field. This is a tough game to call, but I think the Jets find a way to lose a game they should win, and the Colts find a way to win a game they should lose. I think this will be a sloppy game that goes back and forth and makes you wonder if either team deserves to win.
Ravens at Chiefs
The Chiefs have had a surprising year, and it is always tough to play at Arrowhead. But they have no playoff experience and this is an angry Ravens team. I want to pick the Chiefs, but I just don't think they are there yet. I think the Ravens run the ball hard and make some big plays on defense to win this game.
Saints at Seahawks
Saints blow the Seahawks out in the first half and coast in the second half.
Packers at Eagles
Probably the most intriguing game of the week. Rodgers and Vick, both great QBs and both with great weapons to work with. Can Green Bay go on the road to Philly and win? The weather won't bother them, that's for sure. What kind of game will Vick have and is he 100%? The winner likely comes to the Dome to play the Falcons. I don't look forward to either matchup. We lost in Philly to the Eagles and beat the Packers in the last minute at the Dome. I think Green Bay is hot right now and the Eagles have cooled. I'm going to pick the Packers to knock of Philly in a great game that goes down to the wire.
Well, those are my picks... all 4 road teams to win
How do YOU see these games?
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