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Nike/Apple To Announce Partnership Tuesday?

emotion said:
Salomon = Adidas. So my comment above applies.
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Well, I was talking about quality, and Salomon rules on that...

As for "sweatshops", anyone with minimal background on economics knows that they are a natural consequence of open international trade, and a result of usually lower productivity levels in lower wage countries...this gets balanced over time as interactions and market demands become more intensive among countries...that's why, in many poorer developing countries, salaries have gone up pretty fast.

And low wages are better than NO wages, by the way...as long as international labor standards are enforced, I am perfectly fine with that.
 
BRLawyer said:
Well, I was talking about quality, and Salomon rules on that...

As for "sweatshops", anyone with minimal background on economics knows that they are a natural consequence of open international trade, and a result of usually lower productivity levels in lower wage countries...this gets balanced over time as interactions and market demands become more intensive among countries...that's why, in many poorer developing countries, salaries have gone up pretty fast.

And low wages are better than NO wages, by the way...as long as international labor standards are enforced, I am perfectly fine with that.
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If you are aware of a bad deal for foreign workers then morally you should exercise your power as a consumer and not support that abuse. That's the bottom line.

Wheeling out standard economic reasons why it happens doesn't excuse it.
 
emotion said:
If you are aware of a bad deal for foreign workers then morally you should exercise your power as a consumer and not support that abuse. That's the bottom line.

Wheeling out standard economic reasons why it happens doesn't excuse it.
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Well, a "bad deal" for foreign workers is not really the case...we're talking about standard U.S. protectionism here...this is the main reason behind the "sweatshops" claim...trust me.
 
BRLawyer said:
Well, a "bad deal" for foreign workers is not really the case...we're talking about standard U.S. protectionism here...this is the main reason behind the "sweatshops" claim...trust me.
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I trust what ethiscore and others say.
 
Doesn't Steve Jobs like New Balance?

I would suppose Nike has the bigger branding though.

Also weren't the Nike MP3 players rebranded Diamond Rios? This would make sense as Diamond doesn't exist anymore. From what I know ... the Nike players actually sold pretty well.
 
javanate said:
New Balance still sells American made (non-sweatshop) shoes, too bad Apple isn't partnering with them.
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I like New Balance, but according to that Ethiscore website, Saucony and Brooks are probably the best on the list for making runners that don't suck for running. They also happen to be higher on the list of ethics.
 
Shirt pockets not shoes

The shoe concept is plainly riddiculous. It will be shirts with shuffle sized pockets. Anyone who has tried to run with a shuffle on a lanyard will recognize the value of a close fitting pocket.
 
This is my first post here (after lurking for years).

Take this for what it's worth, but around october-november last year a nike representative gave a special presentation on a "product design" class. I didn't attend because I had already done those credits the year before. The thing is that the nike guy said that they where involved with apple in something involving ipod and shoes, where they could be connected to your computer and apart from transfering music, you could download some stats about your workout.
This is what a friend of mine who was there told me (knowing I'm an apple freak). I cannot be 100% sure because I wasn't there, but hhe mentioned apple, iPod and nike.

When I was attending that course, in 2004, a guy from motorola gave the same type of lecture the nike guy did, and he showed us some designs of future nextels that were indeed released a couple of months later.
 
maxi said:
...something involving ipod and shoes, where they could be connected to your computer and apart from transfering music, you could download some stats about your workout.
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Sounds very intriguing!!

Special iPod pockets on clothing would be cool - but special iPod footware would be even cooler :D

Can't wait to see if this pans out...

RodC
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www.expodition.com - for iPod users who love to travel
 
sports

maybe what the partnership will entail is a new ipod shuffle that is more "sporty" like those nike mp3 players. the design will become "shock" ressistant and all that jazz... and giving you your workout stats sounds like a pretty cool idea since thats what many people use the shuffle for, to work out. i wouldn't think the shoes would be the player but that there would be a small zip up pocket on the side you could place it in. my friend has had shoes with small pockets on them before, kind of trendy.
 
emotion said:
If you are aware of a bad deal for foreign workers then morally you should exercise your power as a consumer and not support that abuse. That's the bottom line.

Wheeling out standard economic reasons why it happens doesn't excuse it.
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Absolutely. Don't buy the products, enduring workers lose their jobs. Then the workers can starve or turn to the sex trade. But then that wouldn't be YOUR problem, would it?

Perhaps it would make sense if you became a prostitute yourself, or starved yourself to the point of malnutrition in empathy with the workers. Now that would be a protest we could ALL respect.
 
emotion said:
I trust what ethiscore and others say.
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I understand; they gave Nike a BIG BLACK DOT for using Nanotechnology.

Nanotechnology, of course, is evil due to the possibility of nanobots entering your body and forcing you to eat bioengineered frankenfoods against your will.
 
Gasu E. said:
Absolutely. Don't buy the products, enduring workers lose their jobs. Then the workers can starve or turn to the sex trade. But then that wouldn't be YOUR problem, would it?

Perhaps it would make sense if you became a prostitute yourself, or starved yourself to the point of malnutrition in empathy with the workers. Now that would be a protest we could ALL respect.
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Yep...as I said, most people have no clue about the mechanics of international trade, and just follow the trend of some NGOs that love to scream how lower wages in poorer countries mean "sweatshops". Most of these movements are, indeed, inspired by protectionist lobbies which would so much prefer that work is given back to "civilized" workers in the west...

Labor standards are a matter of national politics, and companies just do what they legally can in each location...lower wages are better than NO wages...period.
 
Gasu E. said:
Absolutely. Don't buy the products, enduring workers lose their jobs. Then the workers can starve or turn to the sex trade. But then that wouldn't be YOUR problem, would it?

Perhaps it would make sense if you became a prostitute yourself, or starved yourself to the point of malnutrition in empathy with the workers. Now that would be a protest we could ALL respect.
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No need to be rude about it.

Where in my posts was I rude to anyone?

I'm sure it suits some of the purposes of some western parties to campaign to keep jobs there instead of going to the east.

What I'm saying is that working conditions (sweat shop means more than just low wages) are poor in a lot of developing countries and some organisations point this out to western consumers who have a conscience so they can act on that.
 
BRLawyer said:
Labor standards are a matter of national politics, and companies just do what they legally can in each location...lower wages are better than NO wages...period.
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I don't pretend to be an economist. The above is no reason to agree with what those companies are doing.

This is the kind of excuse that people give for not boycotting people like Unilever (for having no environmental conscience). If people didn't buy the products they would soon change. I have more power to make that kind of change than I do changing the way governments think.
 
Gasu E. said:
I understand; they gave Nike a BIG BLACK DOT for using Nanotechnology.

Nanotechnology, of course, is evil due to the possibility of nanobots entering your body and forcing you to eat bioengineered frankenfoods against your will.
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So, whilst I don't pretend to be an economist I do know quite a bit about physical chemistry and, as it happens, I agree that a blanket mark down for nanotech is not that helpful.

Nanotechnology though is perhaps not being approached with quite enough caution as it should be (I firmly believe it will change civilization as we know it when it is eventually ubiquitous). In much the same way as GMOs (which I also boycott but see less value in).
 
It's official!

Well, you can all start eating crow....according to Engadget:

"Maybe the third time's the charm. After rolling out branded MP3 players with Rio and Philips, Nike has now partnered with Apple for its next music-on-the-go solution. But instead of launching another Nike-branded player, the sneaker company is focusing on athletics by working with Apple to roll out the iPod Sport Kit, a $29 device that includes a sneaker-based sensor that combines with another sensor attached to the iPod to allow users to enter and view workout data using the iPod's menus. Audio prompts can also be configured to provide workout info such as distance and time, and workout data can be uploaded to a Nike web site for analysis and comparison with other runners. The iPod Sport Kit is expected to be available within 60 days and will work with most recent model iPods (though we really hope you're not working out with a hard-drive based audio player)."

Sounds really cool! And the price is pretty hot!
 
Looks good to me.

And to those New Balance wearer's out there, check your shoes, NB makes shoes in Asia as well.
 
iGary said:
Too bad Nike makes crap running shoes.
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Unless the sensor is smart enough to know what shoes you are wearing, I don't see why you can't use this with any shoe. The only thing special about the Nike+ shoe is that it has a little pocket beneath the insole for the sensor. I'm sure you can clip it on to your shoe another way.

PS, I used the word "shoe" a lot of times in this post. Awesome.
 
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