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Silicon will likely be Apple-only, so that really depends on how much it will actually matter in the world compared to everyone else on regular CPUs like AMD. Apple is a fancy brand but it doesn't have the same marketshare as other Windows PCs. I guess Intel is getting ready for a change, if Apple was a significant-enough amount of revenue, but I doubt said change will be earth-shattering unless the rest of the world follows Apple and moves to ARM
It's about 10% of Intel's unit sales, but with a tendency to affect their more expensive chips, so it will _hurt_ Intel.
 
Intel's pretty much exclusively a CPU company. This is what worries me... Apple thinks it can out-do the biggest CPU maker for Windows PCs.
I don't know if you ever bothered counting, but once Macs switch completely to Silicon, Apple will be producing more CPUs than Intel. At the moment its 225 million vs. 200 million; once 25 million Macs per year switch to Silicon it will be Intel 200 million, Apple 225 million CPUs.

Plus AMD will do their best to do something about the 200 million number.
 
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Yes and no.

Between Apple Silicon and stuff like the Neoverse N1, ARM is on the rise. That should worry both Intel and AMD.



Market share doesn't buy you anything. Revenues do. I'm sure Intel isn't happy to have lost one of the customers who only uses some of their highest-priced CPUs.



Lots of companies are moving to ARM.
Apple isn't entirely lost as an Intel customer. They still use Intel chips for it's servers. And seemingly unlikely to change given that porting server infrastructure to its own Apple Silicon would be quite the work.
 
Intel's pretty much exclusively a CPU company. This is what worries me... Apple thinks it can out-do the biggest CPU maker for Windows PCs.

They MUST have a plan. I mean what's Apple gonna do when Intel releases something that smokes its chips... force us all to painfully migrate back to Intel?

Apple definitely have secret internal information about future Intel products.
With that information Apple still decide to leave Intel. This already shows how good Intel's future product will be.
 
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Silicon will likely be Apple-only, so that really depends on how much it will actually matter in the world compared to everyone else on regular CPUs like AMD. Apple is a fancy brand but it doesn't have the same marketshare as other Windows PCs. I guess Intel is getting ready for a change, if Apple was a significant-enough amount of revenue, but I doubt said change will be earth-shattering unless the rest of the world follows Apple and moves to ARM
It’s less than 10% of intels revenue, probably more like 5-6... IF the rest or world would move to Arm, who would supply the chips that are comparable to apples?
 
They have way more beta testers, just count how many iPhone they sold since iPhone 4.
iPhone ain't running MacOS. World of difference.

It’s less than 10% of intels revenue, probably more like 5-6... IF the rest or world would move to Arm, who would supply the chips that are comparable to apples?

TSMC, the company that produces most chips (including Apples). If demand was that high, TSMC would expand operations. Intel is one of the only independent chip foundries.
 
Intel's pretty much exclusively a CPU company. This is what worries me... Apple thinks it can out-do the biggest CPU maker for Windows PCs.

They MUST have a plan. I mean what's Apple gonna do when Intel releases something that smokes its chips... force us all to painfully migrate back to Intel?
Apple IS out-doing Intel already.
Of course Intel has a plan, but, the PC market has been flat for years, a bump this year due to COVID it there is no real growth anymore, that growth is still with mobile and IOT. And in the server market there’s a lot more competition for Intel coming, look at the likes of Ampere...
Intel is investing heavily into AI and self-driving (Mobileye) but historically Intel does NOT have a track record outside of PC/server, and they are behind on technology... HUGE challenges
 
Intel's pretty much exclusively a CPU company. This is what worries me... Apple thinks it can out-do the biggest CPU maker for Windows PCs.

They MUST have a plan. I mean what's Apple gonna do when Intel releases something that smokes its chips... force us all to painfully migrate back to Intel?
Ridiculous post. Apple never once claimed to be going after or trying to compete with Intel or AMD. They are creating their own chips to offer the best experience to their customers rather than being a slave to to Intel's OVERLY HOT CPU's and AMD's constantly failing GPU's. You're way off base.
 
I love the TouchBar! It's so handy when it comes to video and photo editing. When I hop off my MacBook Pro with the TouchBar and jump on my iMac that doesn't have the TouchBar I get so lost looking for the extra convenience of having the TouchBar. I really hope Apple extends the TouchBar to all their Mac keyboards.
I'd happily start with and take a magic backlit keyboard, can't believe it's taking this long for such a basic feature. Every time TC talks about the amazing pipeline & :apple: making the best products they can, I just think of this.

I get that folk will prob reply that :apple: doesn't exist just to suit my needs etc. but if they can't lay the foundations get basic products right what hope is there for more advanced (it's not like a backlit keyboard is advanced in 2020, is it?)
 
Between Apple Silicon and AMD chips, Intel must been feeling pretty worried.
They are expanding into other areas. The PC market has been flat or in decline for years. The hot market is FPGAs and accelerator chips for machine learning. In 20 years everyone will have what we'd today call a "super Computer" in their self-driving car. I think also in 20 years the "standard" desktop Intel-based PC will be gone.
 
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I can’t wait to see the speed of these machines.
Unlikely to be much different than the current Intel crop. Give it another year - 2021 with new industrial design will be the breakout model to differentiate from the old Intel based lineup.
 
I doubt it. 120hz is a battery drain. I can definitely see why they haven’t put it into the iPhones this year.
Not really. On iPad Pros it only ramps up to 120Hz when there is a content to show that refresh rate, otherwise defaults to 30-60Hz. Battery on the iPad Pro is still a beast.
 
I love the TouchBar! It's so handy when it comes to video and photo editing. When I hop off my MacBook Pro with the TouchBar and jump on my iMac that doesn't have the TouchBar I get so lost looking for the extra convenience of having the TouchBar. I really hope Apple extends the TouchBar to all their Mac keyboards.
I'd be all for it if it was either an option, or if it came with the physical function keys as well. I mean, they could certainly make space for both. I'd much rather have a smaller touch pad and both function keys and touch bar (I mean, I currently rock a mid-2015 15" rMBP, and have zero envy of the new bigger touch pads, so reducing the new bigger touch pads to something in between would work well right? And in my current model, there's actually space above the function keys where a touch bar could go anyway).
 
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What more can you do with a laptop that would constitute redesign. If you ask a layman they would say all laptops look the same except for maybe the thickness. A 2012 MacBook Pro and new 16 look the same except for the thickness. It would still be a rectangular block of aluminum. Thinner bezels might please most people but that still wouldn’t be a redesign. iPhone 12 took the shape of iPhone 5. Is that redesign or just bring back the bell bottoms in style.

A redesign doesn’t have to be some totally different looking product. You say “how can they possibly make it look different?” And boom, they do. There are definitely ways, which is why I asked.

Even in the fashion world when a design is “brought back” a lot of times it has a new twist on it or is made with better quality/materials.

The 12 series may look like the 4/5 series, but the stainless steel and glass are visibly and physically better. When it comes to the Mac, they’re probably not adding frosted glass and a ceramic shield, but there are definitely things cooked/cooking up in Apple’s labs that have a refreshed look...
 
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Unlikely to be much different than the current Intel crop. Give it another year - 2021 with new industrial design will be the breakout model to differentiate from the old Intel based lineup.
Yeah maybe speed was the wrong word, I think we will see improvements in thermal efficiency this time though.
 
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